highdesertmesa wrote: Sonnar-7 wrotehighdesertmesa wrote
Finally a direct comparison of both the Leica and the Mander shooting into the light at f/1.4. Mandler flare is out of control compared to the Leica (starting at 5:20 mark in the video).The Peace Lens has some really nice flares at 1.4, the same orange(more reddish though on the Peace Lens)arc like artefacts I have seen on the v2 Summilux.
I feel it’s still the best replica as for now.Honestly, I've never seen worse flare from a lens than I see coming from the Mander. Given how nicely their KOB replica flares, I have to think there has been a major oversight such as incorrect matte black coatings inside the barrel, missing coatings on one or more internal elements, and/or a serious miscalculation with the optics.
All the recent replicas/hommages are welcome since not long ago, interesting lenses were quite scarce on top of being disregarded and now there are so many and people are receptive to it, It’s very cool since, furthermore it begins to spawn some original design.
I’m still bothered that old habits die hard, even those manufacturers that do some of these replicas are afraid of their inherent flaws, the reason we want them, I’m tired to read we suppressed the flares it’s better now and the bokeh is creamy(no it’s not and I don’t want it to be).
I do agree with you though, those flares are not pretty, I was just pointing at the fact that if maybe they embraced the flaws of the design they replicate, it wouldn’t look so bad, maybe the full blown flares would be more beautiful than those half suppressed feats.
I feel that Peace Optics understand that, or they did for their Steel Rim and Summilux. And I think those two models are the best of the lot for now.
DandA123 wrote: Sonnar-7 wrotehighdesertmesa wrote
Finally a direct comparison of both the Leica and the Mander shooting into the light at f/1.4. Mandler flare is out of control compared to the Leica (starting at 5:20 mark in the video).The Peace Lens has some really nice flares at 1.4, the same orange(more reddish though on the Peace Lens)arc like artefacts I have seen on the v2 Summilux.
I feel it’s still the best replica as for now.I have often heard and read that the Peace lens more closely replicates the optical signature of the Leica 50mm f1.4 pre asph V2/V3 than the Mandler. I hope to be able to test the Peace lens in the near future.
Interestingly the Peace lens has only 10 aperture blades compared compared to the 12 found in both the Mandler and Leica.
Artizlab's own version of the Leica version 2, which looks cosmetically identical to the Peace Ver 2 lens, has 12 apature blades but have no idea if it's optical signature is more like the Peace lens or the Mandler.
The Peace Lens has 12 blades though.
I don’t own a Summilux but I feel their Steel Rim and 50mm 1.4 e43 are so very close of the original based on what I have seen.
Took the rest of the week off to take advantage of the holiday so I'm gonna go out with the Mandler and Peace Lens 50mm v2 to do some comparisons. I gotta see if this flaring is a deal breaker for me because I really enjoy everything else about the lens.
Sonnar-7 wrote: DandA123 wroteSonnar-7 wrotehighdesertmesa wrote
Finally a direct comparison of both the Leica and the Mander shooting into the light at f/1.4. Mandler flare is out of control compared to the Leica (starting at 5:20 mark in the video).The Peace Lens has some really nice flares at 1.4, the same orange(more reddish though on the Peace Lens)arc like artefacts I have seen on the v2 Summilux.
I feel it’s still the best replica as for now.I have often heard and read that the Peace lens more closely replicates the optical signature of the Leica 50mm f1.4 pre asph V2/V3 than the Mandler. I hope to be able to test the Peace lens in the near future.
Interestingly the Peace lens has only 10 aperture blades compared compared to the 12 found in both the Mandler and Leica.
Artizlab's own version of the Leica version 2, which looks cosmetically identical to the Peace Ver 2 lens, has 12 apature blades but have no idea if it's optical signature is more like the Peace lens or the Mandler.The Peace Lens has 12 blades though.
I don’t own a Summilux but I feel their Steel Rim and 50mm 1.4 e43 are so very close of the original based on what I have seen.
The Peace lens steel rim replica is extremely close to the Leica original except being slightly lower in contrast. It doesn't surprise me that their 50mm f1.4 pre asph replica is also close optically to the Ver 2 Leica 50mm f1.4 pre asph. I keep reading the Peace lens 50mm f1.4 has 10 blades not 12 so not sure which is correct unless they changed something midway through it production.
ByChrisJones wrote:
Took the rest of the week off to take advantage of the holiday so I'm gonna go out with the Mandler and Peace Lens 50mm v2 to do some comparisons. I gotta see if this flaring is a deal breaker for me because I really enjoy everything else about the lens.
Sonnar-7 wrote: DandA123 wroteSonnar-7 wrotehighdesertmesa wrote
Finally a direct comparison of both the Leica and the Mander shooting into the light at f/1.4. Mandler flare is out of control compared to the Leica (starting at 5:20 mark in the video).The Peace Lens has some really nice flares at 1.4, the same orange(more reddish though on the Peace Lens)arc like artefacts I have seen on the v2 Summilux.
I feel it’s still the best replica as for now.I have often heard and read that the Peace lens more closely replicates the optical signature of the Leica 50mm f1.4 pre asph V2/V3 than the Mandler. I hope to be able to test the Peace lens in the near future.
Interestingly the Peace lens has only 10 aperture blades compared compared to the 12 found in both the Mandler and Leica.
Artizlab's own version of the Leica version 2, which looks cosmetically identical to the Peace Ver 2 lens, has 12 apature blades but have no idea if it's optical signature is more like the Peace lens or the Mandler.The Peace Lens has 12 blades though.
I don’t own a Summilux but I feel their Steel Rim and 50mm 1.4 e43 are so very close of the original based on what I have seen.
Just for additional clarification - the Leica 50/1.4 vII has 12 aperture blades, the successor version 50/1.4 vIII has only 9.
retrofocus wrote: Sonnar-7 wroteDandA123 wroteSonnar-7 wrotehighdesertmesa wrote
Finally a direct comparison of both the Leica and the Mander shooting into the light at f/1.4. Mandler flare is out of control compared to the Leica (starting at 5:20 mark in the video).The Peace Lens has some really nice flares at 1.4, the same orange(more reddish though on the Peace Lens)arc like artefacts I have seen on the v2 Summilux.
I feel it’s still the best replica as for now.I have often heard and read that the Peace lens more closely replicates the optical signature of the Leica 50mm f1.4 pre asph V2/V3 than the Mandler. I hope to be able to test the Peace lens in the near future.
Interestingly the Peace lens has only 10 aperture blades compared compared to the 12 found in both the Mandler and Leica.
Artizlab's own version of the Leica version 2, which looks cosmetically identical to the Peace Ver 2 lens, has 12 apature blades but have no idea if it's optical signature is more like the Peace lens or the Mandler.The Peace Lens has 12 blades though.
I don’t own a Summilux but I feel their Steel Rim and 50mm 1.4 e43 are so very close of the original based on what I have seen.Just for additional clarification - the Leica 50/1.4 vII has 12 aperture blades, the successor version 50/1.4 vIII has only 9.
Not sure where you got that information, but my 50/1.4 V3 has 12 blades for sure.
DandA123 wrote: Sonnar-7 wroteDandA123 wroteSonnar-7 wrotehighdesertmesa wrote
Finally a direct comparison of both the Leica and the Mander shooting into the light at f/1.4. Mandler flare is out of control compared to the Leica (starting at 5:20 mark in the video).The Peace Lens has some really nice flares at 1.4, the same orange(more reddish though on the Peace Lens)arc like artefacts I have seen on the v2 Summilux.
I feel it’s still the best replica as for now.I have often heard and read that the Peace lens more closely replicates the optical signature of the Leica 50mm f1.4 pre asph V2/V3 than the Mandler. I hope to be able to test the Peace lens in the near future.
Interestingly the Peace lens has only 10 aperture blades compared compared to the 12 found in both the Mandler and Leica.
Artizlab's own version of the Leica version 2, which looks cosmetically identical to the Peace Ver 2 lens, has 12 apature blades but have no idea if it's optical signature is more like the Peace lens or the Mandler.The Peace Lens has 12 blades though.
I don’t own a Summilux but I feel their Steel Rim and 50mm 1.4 e43 are so very close of the original based on what I have seen.The Peace lens steel rim replica is extremely close to the Leica original except being slightly lower in contrast. It doesn't surprise me that their 50mm f1.4 pre asph replica is also close optically to the Ver 2 Leica 50mm f1.4 pre asph. I keep reading the Peace lens 50mm f1.4 has 10 blades not 12 so not sure which is correct unless they changed something midway through it production.
It doesn't happen often, or often enough, but this one had me from the first sentence, and the lead-in images too. The thought occurs that this genre of lens (deliberately leaving that one open for interpretation) rewards low light and care with composition. I don't think it's a do-all lens the way many want a 50mm to perform. And for sure if you want to point a lens at the sun for brownie points or to neg the lens, get a GM or L or S or SL. It's an artistic tool, like the predecessor was.
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This whole thread just makes me appreciate Peace Optics more. I wish we had a better way to purchase their replicas stateside.
I also hope they make an 50/1 Noct replica. Then I could sell my actually 50/1 Noct v2 and bank 3k or so. I really don’t care if it’s a Leica or not if the images are nearly identical. But I have no interest in a “replica.”
To eliminate confusion here is my list of 50mm lenses with a Leica part number (if Leica) and description and number of aperture blades. In no particular order and of course others exist that are not on this list, but I can personally attest to the facts below excluding my LTM 50 lenses:
philip_pj wrote:
It doesn't happen often, or often enough, but this one had me from the first sentence, and the lead-in images too. The thought occurs that this genre of lens (deliberately leaving that one open for interpretation) rewards low light and care with composition. I don't think it's a do-all lens the way many want a 50mm to perform. And for sure if you want to point a lens at the sun for brownie points or to neg the lens, get a GM or L or S or SL. It's an artistic tool, like the predecessor was.
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Am I taking your statement the wrong way or are you saying I'm criticizing the flare of this this lens for some below board reason? You think I want "brownie points"? From whom and for what reason? If flare performance isn't important to lens buying decisions, why do all reviewers, including Fred, perform flare tests and analyze the results?
My summary would be: If you're willing to ignore the extremely poor flare performance of this lens, then you'll be happy with it. If not, don't buy it. I actually own the lens and am waiting for a replacement copy, so if anything, I should have a bias toward favoring this lens.
You don't need to defend the Mander 50's performance by throwing shade (pun).
stgrove wrote:
To eliminate confusion here is my list of 50mm lenses with a Leica part number (if Leica) and description and number of aperture blades. In no particular order and of course others exist that are not on this list, but I can personally attest to the facts below excluding my LTM 50 lenses:
rodenmg wrote: stgrove wroteThanks rodenmg. I corrected it to 11 blades. Guess I can no longer count properly.🤔My pleasure. I'll take any opportunity I can to look into this piece of magic glass.
Understand, but looking through it even more enticing, no?😏
Yes, they sent me a replacement, and I received it yesterday. They’ve fixed the issue, and the new lens now locks securely onto my M11, just as it should. Glad they were able to sort it out.
I’ll share some more sample shots when I get a chance.
emanuelex wrote:
Same problem, they shipped another copy which seems to be fine.
ieei.liu wrotespecLegacy wroteEdit: My copy also does not fully lock onto the camera. The hole for the locking pin is just a touch too small. The camera's pin only goes into the lens as much as the chamfer allows. It does hold the lens in place, but does not represent great quality controlI just tested it and my copy also can't lock onto the camera. The lens does not lock securely onto the camera body. I can rotate and remove the lens without pressing the lens release button on the camera.