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Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.

  
 
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p.5 #1 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.


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I'll chime in, having used virtually every system under the sun , I can vouch that I have had more false positive AF issues with Fuji (I have an Xpro2, XE1 and XT50) than any other system I have used over the past 10+ years. For me it happens with wide angle lenses stopped down in single shot AF, I primarily do landscape, non-moving objects and don't fire off multiple shots rapidly, but I have had countless misses in critical situations which I do not have with my Sony's my Nikon DSLRs or my m43 kits. I admit everyone's mileage
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You shoot "critical situations" in landscape photography while using the lens stopped down and in single shot AF? Have you considered checking either the VF or LCD to make sure the shot is in focus, if the situation is so critical?

I shoot my landscape images the same way, and while admittedly mine may not be as "critical" as yours, I have never had a single Fuji image out of focus while shooting this way, despite having taken many thousands of images with the Fuji gear.

My only gripe with the Fuji AF is with inconsistent tracking in continuous AF subject detection mode, where the AF mechanism fails to achieve sharp focus despite the AF algorithm accurately identifying the subject. My Nikons do this too, but to a much lesser extent, and the Canon and Sony cameras rarely ever miss in these situations.



May 04, 2026 at 01:05 PM
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p.5 #2 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.


The smallest focus box on Fuji does seem to give problems, the next one up always seems to work better. At one time it only used cdaf but I don't think that's tthecase now.
My use doesn't challenge any AF system, just single point af-s focus and recompose, or BBF, but I don't see it any worse than the Nikon DSLRs or film SLRs I've used, or the Sonys I had for a couple of years. If it misfire and doesn't lock at sharp focus (very rarely) it's easily been seen in the EVF and I simply try again.

Gerry



May 04, 2026 at 02:15 PM
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p.5 #3 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.


Thx Gerry, I will try to enlarge the focus box and see if that helps, that is a good suggestion. My eyes are not the best and with some of the smaller EVFs and lower res EVFs seeing critical focus without enlarging image after each shot is difficult for me.


May 04, 2026 at 02:29 PM
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p.5 #4 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.


Goddamn crappy defective Fuji wide lens single AF problems - look at all these images it ruined!




  X-H1    XF16-55mmF2.8 R LM WR lens    34mm    f/11.0    1s    250 ISO    -1.7 EV  






  X-H1    XF8-16mmF2.8 R LM WR lens    8mm    f/8.0    1/7s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  X-H1    XF8-16mmF2.8 R LM WR lens    10mm    f/11.0    1/10s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  X-H1    XF8-16mmF2.8 R LM WR lens    8mm    f/11.0    1/180s    200 ISO    -2.0 EV  






  X-H1    XF16mmF1.4 R WR lens    16mm    f/5.6    1/750s    400 ISO    0.0 EV  






  X-H1    XF8-16mmF2.8 R LM WR lens    8mm    f/16.0    1/15s    200 ISO    -2.0 EV  






  X-T3    XF10-24mmF4 R OIS lens    10mm    f/8.0    1/40s    160 ISO    0.0 EV  






  X-H2S    XF10-24mmF4 R OIS WR lens    10mm    f/8.0    1/280s    160 ISO    0.0 EV  




May 04, 2026 at 02:30 PM
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p.5 #5 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.


Cliff L. wrote:
Goddamn crappy defective Fuji wide lens single AF problems - look at all these images it ruined!


Ah but those were the lucky ones, you don't show the ones where the focus point is 5mm out :-)

Seriously, very nice, just my sort of thing.

Gerry



May 04, 2026 at 03:41 PM
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p.5 #6 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.


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Ah but those were the lucky ones, you don't show the ones where the focus point is 5mm out :-)


I know, right...?



May 04, 2026 at 05:39 PM
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p.5 #7 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.


Let's see the 500/5.6 AF at least. Wideangle landscapes were feasible in the 1980s.

EBH



May 04, 2026 at 10:32 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
Wideangle landscapes were feasible in the 1980s.



Apparently not for some people on this forum...



May 04, 2026 at 10:34 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
Let's see the 500/5.6 AF at least. Wideangle landscapes were feasible in the 1980s.

EBH

Was there life before AF? We managed.

Gerry



May 05, 2026 at 01:10 AM
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I was just joking that 1980s AF was good enough for static wide scenes, most of the time. Guess we will have to see what Fuji does.

EBH



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p.5 #11 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.


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Was there life before AF? We managed.

Gerry


This is dumb copium that serves no purpose for intelligent and more importantly, experienced, conversation.

I get that some people have little-to-no hands on experience with other brands outside of Fuji, that's fine. If you're still shooting Fuji, that means that you're satisfied with Fuji and that their current offerings meet you at your needs and skill level.

These people don't know what they don't know, and honestly have no idea how far AF has come past what Fuji offers. Most people here want to see Fuji succeed and be a solid player in the market. Fuji will lose more and more marketshare the farther behind they fall. It's good to speak honestly about the state of things and not be a snarky troglodyte.



May 05, 2026 at 03:33 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
It's good to speak honestly about the state of things and not be a snarky troglodyte.


When do you plan to start?



May 05, 2026 at 03:49 PM
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This is dumb copium that serves no purpose for intelligent and more importantly, experienced, conversation.

I get that some people have little-to-no hands on experience with other brands outside of Fuji, that's fine. If you're still shooting Fuji, that means that you're satisfied with Fuji and that their current offerings meet you at your needs and skill level.

These people don't know what they don't know, and honestly have no idea how far AF has come past what Fuji offers. Most people here want to see Fuji succeed and be a solid player in the market. Fuji will lose more and more
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AF got good enough for what 95 % of people NEED (Not Want) about 1995 with my F90.
The only place there are better than Fuji in any meaningful way is af-c tracking of fast moving objects, and maybe a Z9 does that, at much greater bulk and cost for the small number of people who can learn how to use it. The Xt line is not even the Fuji that's best at it, its smaller, lighter and cheaper. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think it reasonable expect Z9 performance in an Xt6.
Most of this thread has been about AF accuracy with wide angles, mostly in situations where AF is entirely unnecessary, for landscapes at f/8 all you need is a good manual focus and DoF scales.
This thread is like saying a Ferrari is better than a Skoda for going shopping.
We did manage without AF, got sharp pictures, I did 3 seasons motor racing for two publications with a Pentax S1a and a pre set 135, and my acquired skills to do it were nothing out of the ordinary, hundreds did . Stop craving after the last tenth of speed and get on taking photos on your own. There is a bad case round here of 'A bad workman blaming his tools'. Just look at the picture threads and see what people are doing with Fuji, I am happy with them, they do what I want, I haven't reached their limits yet, and those limits are far beyond what casual users for a hobby are likely to encounter, a very small percentage of full time users imight do it..
Do you own a Fuji?, where have you hit it's limits? Tell us please. Or is it all theory?

Gerry



May 05, 2026 at 04:27 PM
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Going back to the original question, as a former industry practitioner I can offer some general considerations regarding Fuji's competitiveness in AF implementation.

To run a competitive camera-making business, you must convert your structural advantages into sustainable differentiation and cost-optimize everything else that doesn’t differentiate you. For example, both Sony and Canon enjoy major sensor fabrication advantages, which means Nikon and Fuji are forced to compete on other fronts. As cameras become increasingly complex, there are more and more areas of expertise to master, the need to differentiate is not going away; all while the overall market keeps shrinking because of smartphones.

Another crucial area is software. The importance of software development expertise keeps growing with camera complexity and smartphone-driven user expectations, while the cost of quality software keeps rising. Hardware companies like camera makers compete for software talent on the global market, where the best engineers are getting more expensive and generally prefer to work at actual software companies with much higher revenue/employee ratios. What I’m saying is that it’s incredibly hard to build and maintain top-tier software development expertise inside a traditional hardware organization. (this is why your car's native navigation and smart TV interface suck)

Which brings me to autofocus. The hardware side of AF systems is largely a commodity these days. The real secret sauce is the quality and talent of your software team: data scientists, programmers, product, design, UX, all of it.

I see and cannot ignore a direct correlation between software quality and AF performance among the big 3. Take Sony and Canon. They are much bigger and more diversified companies than Nikon, they have access to a deeper and stronger software engineering talent pool. You can see it in the quality of their RAW converters, tethering apps, and smartphone applications. Nikon’s software is slightly worse, and you see the same capability gap in autofocus performance: Sony and Canon are the clear leaders, with Nikon a bit behind.

Now let’s talk about Fuji. Despite their size, they are simply not a player in software. As far as I know, they’re the only major camera maker that couldn’t even build its own RAW converter. They still ship a rebranded SilkyPix built by a 3rd party that can’t match the output of Fuji's in-camera JPEG engine, or a clunky USB-tethered solution that relies on the camera itself to re-process RAWs. Even the GFX system isn’t truly competitive in a professional studio-tethered workflow because Fuji hasn't bothered building a working tethering software - the reason I sold mine. To this day they can't even figure out (or copy others) a non-convoluted UX to delete images in-camera. Well, of course their AF is subpar. Notice that it's not just the AF-C tenacity, but even the "simpler" stuff like an elegant user interface for the AF settings.

This trend has been on display forever, and it’s only going to get worse. Sure, Fuji might briefly catch up on certain software features like AF for a short time. But long-term, I fully expect them to always lag behind. Their desktop software, menu system, autofocus, smartphone integration, everything - will always be worse. Because fundamentally, software is not in Fuji’s DNA the way it is for Sony and Canon. Do not underestimate organizational DNA. Human systems are harder to evolve than tech.

And I think they know this. This is why they are not competing in the FF market. This is why they're doubling down on APSC, medium format, and niche designs like GFX100RF or X half. This is why they're doing dedicated dials. Those are the choices they're left with because sensor differentiation or software differention aren't in the cards.



May 05, 2026 at 07:26 PM
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Fuji's big mistake was launching an update to their AF that was broken and failed to acknowledge there was an issue for a really long time. Then failed to fix it for a really really long time. Prior to that all any one said was that their AF was really good but wasn't as good as sony.

They have had a long gap between upgrade cycles. Pandemic...AI driving up chip prices...tariffs ...lots of reasons they have probably pushed out launching their next Gen. It will come. The AF will be just as good as the Sony/Canikon offerings. Chill. They can afford good nerds to fix their AF. Fuji is huge and has a market cap right there with Canon.

There was a time not too long ago when Canon had horrible autofocus and Nikon was king. Then there was a time fairly recent that Nikon was far worse than Fuji. X-T6 incoming. Hopefully they are already in the hands of the usual suspects and you can bet AF will be under the microscope...can't wait to see Jordan running at the camera soon.



May 05, 2026 at 09:46 PM
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old-gregg wrote:
Going back to the original question, as a former industry practitioner I can offer some general considerations regarding Fuji's competitiveness in AF implementation.

To run a competitive camera-making business, you must convert your structural advantages into sustainable differentiation and cost-optimize everything else that doesn’t differentiate you. For example, both Sony and Canon enjoy major sensor fabrication advantages, which means Nikon and Fuji are forced to compete on other fronts. As cameras become increasingly complex, there are more and more areas of expertise to master, the need to differentiate is not going away; all while the overall market keeps shrinking because of
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All very true in terms of overall marketing. Fuji concentrates obviously giving us something unavailable from other makes, even the Zf and Zfc fail as they don't give us a lens range that suits the camera.
We buy Fuji for other reasons than the fastest AF. AF is more than good enough for the average amateur user.
What is missing for me from all of them is a good, quick manual focus experience, a focus aid as quick and precise as a Leica rangefinder or the split image on my film Nikobs, and auto diaphragm operation. That would do for most work where speed of focussing in milliseconds is not required.
But it's not fashionable, customers clamour for better AF when they aren't going to ever challenge the abilities of what they get.

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May 06, 2026 at 01:23 AM
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I’m very tired of posters whose main claim to authority is that no one else knows anything or has any experience, and who seem unable to post anything without demeaning anyone whose perspective that differers from theirs.

One in particular. ;-)

If you can’t make your point without snark and insults, maybe your point isn’t as strong as you think it is.

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May 06, 2026 at 03:30 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I’m very tired of posters whose main claim to authority is that no one else knows anything or has any experience, forum members who seem unable to post anything here without demeaning anyone whose perspective differers from theirs.

If you can’t make your point without snark and insults, maybe your point isn’t as strong as you think it is.

One in particular. ;-)


That one particular poster and their monolithic opinions they parade as fact cares more about having an opinion on the subject than a discussion. Best not to interact with someone who thinks they can boil down the artistic tools of a medium into a "scientific fact". They mostly are just acting out for attention anyways. Better to not feed the beast.



May 08, 2026 at 04:55 PM
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old-gregg wrote:
Going back to the original question, as a former industry practitioner I can offer some general considerations regarding Fuji's competitiveness in AF implementation.

To run a competitive camera-making business, you must convert your structural advantages into sustainable differentiation and cost-optimize everything else that doesn’t differentiate you. For example, both Sony and Canon enjoy major sensor fabrication advantages, which means Nikon and Fuji are forced to compete on other fronts. As cameras become increasingly complex, there are more and more areas of expertise to master, the need to differentiate is not going away; all while the overall market keeps shrinking because of
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I agree with your premise as I’ve seen the exact issue in other market segments. That said, Fuji does have expertise in hardware algorithms as evidenced by their in-camera JPEG processing (e.g., film simulations, lens optimizer, etc.) AF algorithms are closer to that expertise than desktop software and good UI/UX.



May 09, 2026 at 06:42 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
In general calling Fujifilm AF “poor” is, at a minimum, very subjective and, in my view, hyperbole.

Again, it is fair and accurate to acknowledge that Nikon, Sony, and Canon make systems with. more advanced AF than what we get in Fujifilm cameras. But that doesn’t render the AF “poor.” “Not quite as good as” would be more accurate.

If one is doing the sort of photography where absolute cutting edge AF is critical, then those other brands are available. Few others will have AF problems that are directly tied to Fujifilm’s hardware and software.


I am a Fuji fanboy. I love my X-Pro2 even though the X-T5 is superior in a number of ways. However, AF without question across all Fuji's (I had a X-T5) absolutely suck compared to my Sony. They aren't even remotely in the same universe. The Fuji can be worked around, but that is the thing - Sony requires NO work. It just nails it nearly every single time. If I am shooting fast moving action, birds in flight, etc then the keeper rate for Fuji is dramatically lower than Sony.

As much as my fellow fanboys like to defend Fuji, none would pick a Fuji if they had a single frame to capture and it be in focus as if their life depended on it.



May 09, 2026 at 03:58 PM
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