p.2 #1 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
It's not that I can't do it using single point continuous or AF-S, it's to discuss how bad Fuji's eye AF algorithm is compared to what everybody else is doing. gyoung143 wrote:
Even with my eyesight problems I can focus on someone stood in front of me, why do you rely on automation? Easiest job in the world.
p.2 #3 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
gyoung143 wrote:
The best Fuji AF is in the Xh2s apparently, and the bigger body still gets hot. So an Xt6 is unlikelyto be competing with the best elsewhere, especially at less than half the price of a Z9.
More unrealistic expectations.
While 'researching' this subject I came across a great quote, from 'Morris' who does wonderful stuff with Fuji af-c, roughly and from memory :-
'What, AF again? L O L. Focus is the job of the photographer, some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining.'
Gerry
Yeah, A Fuji shooter would make that quote. Look, as I said My XE5 is acceptible for most things. That said I have noticed I do constantly check focus which I just never had to do with Sony. To me it's just ashame they apparently can't get over the hump. They have so much to offer in other respects. Fingers crossed XT6 is better. I'm not even suggesting Aii levels speed, just A7RV speed and reliablity and I'd be happy to buy an XT6 to pair with my XE5.
p.2 #4 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
gdanmitchell wrote:
IT takes longer. And, according to some tests, with most subjects AF is actually more accurate. Also, people move, so your fixe MF setting may not be correct.
If you want to speed it up, use af-s, as done for 30 years without problems
YOU choose the focus point then, not the system, difference between eye lashes and eyeballs? 5mm? At how many meters? This is not the real wor.ls as you said a coue of posta back, it's pointless whingeing.
p.2 #5 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Imo the most likely scenario is that they won’t quite reach the level of Canon / Sony / Nikon AF but rather end up with similar performance as the Panasonic S1II / S1RII or Sigma BF. I’d actually be fine with that but I still hope I’m wrong and they’ll be even better..
If I had to pick between better AF and in-camera Xpan / TX crop for the X-T6, I’d pick the crop though.. Okay maybe give me a few more features to make up for the AF (lower base ISO, live ND, …)
p.2 #7 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Fuji cannot even focus reliably on a static object in af-s under certain conditions. After six years you would think they fix an obvious easily repeatable problem on all their x system cameras, but no. Last time I checked it is still there. Good thing it does not happen on gfx, and I am fine with it
p.2 #8 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
I'm still trying to figure out if the XH2S is on par with a Sony A9 (original). I still use the stuff no problem, but boy do I know the stuff isn't perfect. RoamingScott wrote:
Trying to explain how good AF is on even the most basic modern FF camera to a Fuji loyalist is like talking to kindergartners about thermodynamics.
A $1200 Nikon is effectively 2 full generations ahead of the newest Fuji in terms of AF performance.
p.2 #9 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
KankRat wrote:
If a person just uses back button AF with a single AF point, would the AF still be considered poor?
In general calling Fujifilm AF “poor” is, at a minimum, very subjective and, in my view, hyperbole.
Again, it is fair and accurate to acknowledge that Nikon, Sony, and Canon make systems with. more advanced AF than what we get in Fujifilm cameras. But that doesn’t render the AF “poor.” “Not quite as good as” would be more accurate.
If one is doing the sort of photography where absolute cutting edge AF is critical, then those other brands are available. Few others will have AF problems that are directly tied to Fujifilm’s hardware and software.
p.2 #10 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
olegkin wrote:
Fuji cannot even focus reliably on a static object in af-s under certain conditions. After six years you would think they fix an obvious easily repeatable problem on all their x system cameras, but no. Last time I checked it is still there. Good thing it does not happen on gfx, and I am fine with it
I wonder if you would mind describing those specific conditions. I have not encountered this issue, but I’d be willing to try it and see if I run into it.
p.2 #11 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
I might have mixed focus on fuji XT, X-Pro and X100 series cameras. But I have got more keepers too.
And yes, I have used most 35mm , and crop cameras.
Somehow I seem to make all of them work for me. Unless there is a malfunction.
But I am just a technically incompetent hobbyist. Unable to distinguish in/out of focus images.
p.2 #13 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
snappy_happy wrote:
Its actually very easy for Fujifilm to catch up with the competition.
The only feature they need is to vastly improve accuracy of focus lock confirmation. The current disconnect is that the camera will suggest focus is locked (when its not) and permit shutter release.
If you couple the perception of focus lock WITH shutter release - the end user will have the perception of screaming fast auto focus.
As someone who shoots manual focus, it would be incredible to have automatic shutter release when the subject comes in focus. You could setup zone focus traps and let the camera do the work for you. Its also how you'd get around the limitation of "slower / older" focusing motors.
Yes it results in slower burst speeds, however it would satisfy the vast majority of consumers....Show more →
I think that’s true, it’s a been a problem for years that is now better but still not fully addressed. I even suspect that weird and unnecessary X-Tans array may have something to do with it. Fujifilm is still my preferred system, but yeah, those persistent quirks get annoying.
p.2 #15 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Sr.Cordeiro wrote:
I think that’s true, it’s a been a problem for years that is now better but still not fully addressed. I even suspect that weird and unnecessary X-Tans array may have something to do with it. Fujifilm is still my preferred system, but yeah, those persistent quirks get annoying.
Gosh yeah I hope they finally drop X-Trans with the new gen (doubt it though).. I feel like they’re only sticking with it because they don’t want to admit that it was mostly a marketing gimmick that never brought significant upsides but did indeed come with significant downsides..
It could partially be related to AF performance as it requires more processing power to demosaic than Bayer (though Fujis few Bayer cams did not really focus any better, so maybe it’s not related ultimately..)
p.2 #16 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
Until a Fuji camera can apply negative clarity with zero impact to time-to-next-shot, we’ll know they haven’t cracked the processor/OS issue. It’s the ultimate litmus test.
p.2 #18 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
fjablo wrote:
Gosh yeah I hope they finally drop X-Trans with the new gen (doubt it though).. I feel like they’re only sticking with it because they don’t want to admit that it was mostly a marketing gimmick that never brought significant upsides but did indeed come with significant downsides..
It could partially be related to AF performance as it requires more processing power to demosaic than Bayer (though Fujis few Bayer cams did not really focus any better, so maybe it’s not related ultimately..)
I doubt that the x-trans array has much effect one way or the other on AF, but I'm strongly in agreement with you about dropping it and using the Bayer sensor array. I've been saying so for years.
The theory was that it "eliminated" aliasing/moire in cameras that did not do AA filtering. But in a world full of other cameras with Bayer sensors that don't use x-trans but still manage quite well, that explanation no longer holds water.
They could overcome the marketing issue easily with a campaign that said something like: "With Fujifilm's new high-resolution sensors we are now able to bring the same sensor technology to our APS-C cameras that has proven successful in our state-of-the art professional 33x44 sensor cameras."
p.2 #19 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
KankRat wrote:
If a person just uses back button AF with a single AF point, would the AF still be considered poor?
Yes, cause even BBF doesn't fix the random focus inconsistencies and/or the focus beyond infinity issue. But it helps improve by focusing with the aperture wide open.
p.2 #20 · Will XT6 finally catch up to Sony, Canon and Nikon with AF.
gdanmitchell wrote:
I wonder if you would mind describing those specific conditions. I have not encountered this issue, but I’d be willing to try it and see if I run into it.
Dan, I have been explaining this to you a hundred times. And you are still asking about it??
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