p.1 #1 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
Looking for a new camera. currently using old Canon 6D.
After research, i'm pretty much looking at A7C2 or A7CR. last option is Fuji X100VI. however, i felt like sony might have the edge.
priority is small compact form, travel purpose, so pairing with small pancake ish lenses would be ideal(like the fuji). Have small hands, so the extra/missing grip might not be an issue.
between the two sony, i'm curious as to the rolling shutter effect. i heard a7cr readout is slow and this effect might be more pronounced. however, is this going to be a problem for mostly photo only use? How about reducing resolution to compensate for the readout, will that help? Does the bigger sensor in a7cr worth the extra money when it comes with other issues?
p.1 #2 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
zeroryu wrote:
Looking for a new camera. currently using old Canon 6D.
After research, i'm pretty much looking at A7C2 or A7CR. last option is Fuji X100VI. however, i felt like sony might have the edge.
priority is small compact form, travel purpose, so pairing with small pancake ish lenses would be ideal(like the fuji). Have small hands, so the extra/missing grip might not be an issue.
between the two sony, i'm curious as to the rolling shutter effect. i heard a7cr readout is slow and this effect might be more pronounced. however, is this going to be a problem for mostly photo only use? How about reducing resolution to compensate for the readout, will that help? Does the bigger sensor in a7cr worth the extra money when it comes with other issues?...Show more →
For photography, when the mechanical shutter is used your effective readout speed is 1/250s. This has pretty much been the same since the film days.
Personally I want a compact camera, but trying to save every single gram is counterproductive.
Ultimately you are going to carry these cameras in a camera bag, so optimizing for camera bag size makes more sense.
The reality is that the Fuji X100VI, A7Cii, A7CR, A1ii will all fit in the same sized camera bag
What needs a bigger bag are cameras like the Canon R3, Canon R1, Nikkon Z9 and so on.
p.1 #4 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
Fuji X100VI worth it only if you are ok with one 35mm FOV lens, and won't add other focal length lenses anyway. If you want at least 2-3 focal length flexibility, than Fuji X-E5 or X-T50 instead.
Sony A7CII/CR advantage over Fuji are the better AF, better low light ability with f1.4 lenses, and A7CR offer high resolution. F1.4 FF lenses, especially with resolving 60MP far from pancake category. If you don't intend buying more expensive and bigger GM(Sony), ART(Sigma), LAB(Viltrox), APO(Voigtlander) lens I'd skip A7CR. With smaller lenses A7CII advantage the AF and huge lens selection.
For photography I prefer tilting screen over articulating, Fujis has tilting screen, it's individual preference but worth to mention.
For more demanding AF (child, action) I recommend Sony, otherwise Fuji has better user experience, has better ooc colors, more fun to use, and looks better.
p.1 #5 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
zeroryu wrote:
priority is small compact form, travel purpose, so pairing with small pancake ish lenses would be ideal(like the fuji). Have small hands, so the extra/missing grip might not be an issue.
My recommendation is the A7cII paired with the 28-60mm lens (quite small and a strong performer). You can always add more specialized lenses later if you feel the need.
p.1 #6 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
A7Cii with Viltrox 20/2.8, Tamron 35/2.8. Viltrox 50/2 air and Sigma 90/2.8 will form a relatively inexpensive, compact system. The middle two can also be replaced with Tamron 28-75/2.8 g2.
p.1 #7 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
TBH, can't tell you about rolling shutter issues. I almost always have my A6700 and A7Riv in mechanical shutter, as opposed to EFCS or full electronic. I do note a "bag fit" difference between the two. Of course, the presence of L brackets or grips and/or base plates, etc., can impact this as well as which lenses are going, loose or attached. I prefer a bag somewhat to the looser side instead of tight squeezes.
In choosing between the A7Cii and A7CR, I'd go for the A7CR. Although if/when updating from the A7Riv, I'll likely go to the A7Rv or other "larger" (in Sony family) body. I do find the extra resolution can be useful. Mostly general crop flexibility to avoid lens swaps as opposed to intentionally eliminate a "longer" lens from the kit. (I'm a zoom user versus a small set of primes, sometimes traveling/photographing alone but on "big" trips typically with family or groups and "speed" can be more useful than ideal photo approaches.)
p.1 #8 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
zeroryu wrote:
Looking for a new camera. currently using old Canon 6D.
After research, i'm pretty much looking at A7C2 or A7CR. last option is Fuji X100VI. however, i felt like sony might have the edge.
priority is small compact form, travel purpose, so pairing with small pancake ish lenses would be ideal(like the fuji). Have small hands, so the extra/missing grip might not be an issue.
between the two sony, i'm curious as to the rolling shutter effect. i heard a7cr readout is slow and this effect might be more pronounced. however, is this going to be a problem for mostly photo only use? How about reducing resolution to compensate for the readout, will that help? Does the bigger sensor in a7cr worth the extra money when it comes with other issues?...Show more →
Lots to unpack here! But I also just got my hands on an A7CII so I can give you some thoughts. I'm sort of in a similar boat as you.
- First, if you want interchangeable lenses, consider the Fuji X-E5. It's basically an X100VI with interchangeable lenses.
- If you use mechanical shutter (which for the A7C's are electronic first curtain shutter), you should have no banding issues
- A7CII vs A7CR. 33 vs 60 mpx is a personal preference thing. It's a matter of taste, but for me, Sony 60 mpx sensor is a outstanding up until about ISO 1600, then the noise starts to bug me. I personally use my A7R4 (60mpx sensor) as more of a daylight landscape camera. I'm pretty sure that I can clean it up, but in most cases I think the 60 mpx is overkill. I primarily bought the A7CII as more of an all-around travel camera, hoping that the 33 mpx is easier to work with at high-ISO. Time will tell.
- I have a Sony a6500 and now the A7CII, and while side by side, they look roughly the same size factor, the A7CII is a bit heavier. It's like midway between the A6500 and the A7R4. That, combined with heavier lenses, kind of makes the package a bit heavier. To me, it will feel like a full frame kit with a few ounces shaved off, more than traveling with a APS-C kit. Of course, I have a few lightweight lenses now, but I could have done the same with an A7R4 too. Anyways, we will see!
p.1 #9 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
My A7CII with small lens made my X100VI redundant so I sold the Fuji. It really is about the same size and with the more pancake lenses only a few ounces heavier. If you use one of the conversion lenses on the X100VI it's the same weight or lighter. I went with the CII over the CR as even with an APS-C crop the image is still larger than 4k and plenty large enough for sharing. The autofocus is in another league than the Fuji.
p.1 #11 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
Agree with other posters I would skip the x100 vi, if you really want Fuji the xe5 is the way to go. It is about the same size as the Sony a7c series unless you add one of the pancake lenses( 23/27) then it seems significantly smaller and will fit better in a jacket pocket. If you are looking to use a zoom lens then the 28-60 with Sony is smaller but other than this lens they are similar in size.
The autofocus on Sonys is better but if you got the Fuji without the using the Sony you’d never notice the difference both are better than what you currently have and the newer fujis autofocus I find significantly better than the previous generation e.g. xe5 vs xe4. If I could only have one camera I’d take a Sony but I prefer using the Fuji xe5 this is a beautiful tiny camera, the Sony is just more versatile. Just about never notice the shutter on a7c the only time I did was at a lights show. When I switched to mirrorless I went with the r6 at the time I remember wishing I had gone with the r5 because of the apc crop mode, but if this is not something you would use then maybe the a7cii would be fine, I think you can’t go wrong with either camera although as mentioned the x100v or whatever is only useful as a supplementary camera imo.
p.1 #12 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
Driften wrote:
My A7CII with small lens made my X100VI redundant so I sold the Fuji. It really is about the same size and with the more pancake lenses only a few ounces heavier. If you use one of the conversion lenses on the X100VI it's the same weight or lighter. I went with the CII over the CR as even with an APS-C crop the image is still larger than 4k and plenty large enough for sharing. The autofocus is in another league than the Fuji.
p.1 #13 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
aagirlz wrote:
Agree with other posters I would skip the x100 vi, if you really want Fuji the xe5 is the way to go. It is about the same size as the Sony a7c series unless you add one of the pancake lenses( 23/27) then it seems significantly smaller and will fit better in a jacket pocket. If you are looking to use a zoom lens then the 28-60 with Sony is smaller but other than this lens they are similar in size.
The autofocus on Sonys is better but if you got the Fuji without the using the Sony you’d never notice the difference both are better than what you currently have and the newer fujis autofocus I find significantly better than the previous generation e.g. xe5 vs xe4. If I could only have one camera I’d take a Sony but I prefer using the Fuji xe5 this is a beautiful tiny camera, the Sony is just more versatile. Just about never notice the shutter on a7c the only time I did was at a lights show. When I switched to mirrorless I went with the r6 at the time I remember wishing I had gone with the r5 because of the apc crop mode, but if this is not something you would use then maybe the a7cii would be fine, I think you can’t go wrong with either camera although as mentioned the x100v or whatever is only useful as a supplementary camera imo....Show more →
I can’t speak to the Sony options, but if Fujifilm is still under consideration, a few comments:
TheX100vi is pretty specialized int hat you get only the one fixed focal length. If you happen to like that FL and don’t need more flexibility, it can work fine and it is quite small. But to gain access to a wider range of Fujifilm’s lenses — especially the several very small primes — the XT5 has some advantages. Not only does in accept interchangeable lenses, but it also has two card slots and uses the newer, higher capacity battery. It is larger than the X100vi, but it is still a rather small camera.
I have one that I use mostly for street and travel photography, mostly with the very small 27mm f/2.8 pancake lens. The lens is a fine performer. There are quite a few other small lenses that work here, too — a new 23mm f/2.8 pancake among the lines of the 27mm, a “near pancake” 18mm f/2, the “Fujicron” f/2 lenses at 23mm, 35mm, and 50mm, and a few others.
If you want an even smaller body, the new XE5 is designed to look/feel a long like the X100vi, and fitted with either the 23mm or 27mm f/2.8 pancakes it is just as small and light.
As to whether a Fujifilm option is better than a Sony options or vice versa, I think there are arguments both ways, and in the end it depends on personal needs and preferences.
p.1 #14 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
I was kind of in the same boat. Started out with a Canon 6D (mk1), then picked up the original Sony A7C. I really liked how compact it was, so I went for small lenses — the Samyang 35mm f/2.8, Sony 50mm f/2.5G — and slowly added bigger ones over time. Of course, now the setup’s not so compact anymore.
After a while though, a few things started to bug me: no tilt-up screen, that awful shutter sound, no crop mode, and no IBIS, which made longer handheld shots (like 1 sec) a pain. Also started wishing for more resolution — atleast 40MP or so.
Tried the Fujifilm X-E5 the other day and honestly, it felt really good. I did wish it had a bit more grip, but everything else was spot on — tilt up screen, great shutter feel, 40MP sensor, and image quality that totally holds up despite being APS-C. Did not test the IBIS, but I am sure its equal or better than a7cxx..
The other option is jumping to the A7CR — I’d get the resolution bump and keep using my lenses, but otherwise, it’s basically the same camera except better AF(not a big deal for me coming from the 1st gen model). So yeah… kind of stuck in a dilemma right now.
I feel close to pulling the trigger on the Fujifilm xe-5.. but on the other hand I recently acquired a Ricoh griii which I think I would need to give up instead. Really torn
p.1 #15 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
nineblade wrote:…but for me, Sony 60 mpx sensor is an outstanding up until about ISO 1600, then the noise starts to bug me. I personally use my A7R4 (60mpx sensor) as more of a daylight landscape camera. I'm pretty sure that I can clean it up, but in most cases I think the 60 mpx is overkill. I primarily bought the A7CII as more of an all-around travel camera, hoping that the 33 mpx is easier to work with at high-ISO. Time will tell……
This is also my experience with A7RV; beyond ISO 2000 it is noisy in indoor events photo capture. I bought A7Cii again for that reason and also for compactness. It is apparently better in ISO perfo. May be, if the res of a 61 mpg photo is reduced by half, noise level becomes comparable. ...Show more →
p.1 #16 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
X-E5 is a pancake, small lens compact camera. A7CII has a good grip, it can handle massive lenses lot better, especially A7CR with included grip.
Both are fine cameras, hard to go wrong each of them. I'd choose by camera body and lens preferences, Sony is safer choice because lens selection, while Fuji is more desirable tool.
p.1 #17 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
allenvgh wrote:
I was kind of in the same boat. Started out with a Canon 6D (mk1), then picked up the original Sony A7C. I really liked how compact it was, so I went for small lenses — the Samyang 35mm f/2.8, Sony 50mm f/2.5G — and slowly added bigger ones over time. Of course, now the setup’s not so compact anymore.
After a while though, a few things started to bug me: no tilt-up screen, that awful shutter sound, no crop mode, and no IBIS, which made longer handheld shots (like 1 sec) a pain. Also started wishing for more resolution — atleast 40MP or so.
Tried the Fujifilm X-E5 the other day and honestly, it felt really good. I did wish it had a bit more grip, but everything else was spot on — tilt up screen, great shutter feel, 40MP sensor, and image quality that totally holds up despite being APS-C. Did not test the IBIS, but I am sure its equal or better than a7cxx..
The other option is jumping to the A7CR — I’d get the resolution bump and keep using my lenses, but otherwise, it’s basically the same camera except better AF(not a big deal for me coming from the 1st gen model). So yeah… kind of stuck in a dilemma right now.
I feel close to pulling the trigger on the Fujifilm xe-5.. but on the other hand I recently acquired a Ricoh griii which I think I would need to give up instead. Really torn...Show more →
The X-E5’s 40 MP sensor is capable of resolving up to 164 lp/mm, but so what?
Fujifilm's best lenses only deliver around 80–90 lp/mm in the very center and about 50 lp/mm toward the edges.
90 lp/mm on a APSC sensor is only about 12MP. Even if the sensor is 1,000,000,000 MP you cant record more than what the lens has to give.
Meanwhile the same 90 lp/mm on a FF sensor is about 28MP.
Megapixels stopped being a meaningful measure long ago, we’re limited by optics, not Megapixels.
Bigger sensors are better simply because its easy to get more optical resolution through using a bigger image circle.
p.1 #18 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
That makes sense — optics do set the limit. 🙂 But for me, the extra pixels are more about flexibility than chasing resolution charts. I just want to be able to crop to around half the frame and still have a nice, detailed image, and the 40MP sensor gives me that room to play with..
p.1 #19 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
NJPhotographer wrote:
Which small lens did you choose for your A7Cii?
I have the Sony 40mm f/2.5 G, 28-60mm f/4-4.5, Sigma 90mm f/2.8, 24mm f/2 that I use on mine.The 40mm is 6.1oz/173g, and the little kit lens is 5.9oz/167g. Both are 45mm long.
p.1 #20 · Small Compact Camera A7C2 vs A7CR vs others
aCuria wrote:
The X-E5’s 40 MP sensor is capable of resolving up to 164 lp/mm, but so what?
Fujifilm's best lenses only deliver around 80–90 lp/mm in the very center and about 50 lp/mm toward the edges.
90 lp/mm on a APSC sensor is only about 12MP. Even if the sensor is 1,000,000,000 MP you cant record more than what the lens has to give.
Meanwhile the same 90 lp/mm on a FF sensor is about 28MP.
Megapixels stopped being a meaningful measure long ago, we’re limited by optics, not Megapixels.
Bigger sensors are better simply because its easy to get more optical resolution through using a bigger image circle....Show more →
While I cannot argue that a larger sensor system has the potential to produce higher system resolution using lenses with the same resolution capability, it is easy to let the supposed math get ahead of real world performance. Fujifilm lenses are quite capable of taking advantage of teh 40 MP sensor’s ability to capture detail.
Here’s a full frame from a Fujifilm XT5 using the (relatively old) Fujifilm 35mm f/1.4 lens, handheld with camera IBIS:
Here’s a 100% crop from the same image:
No shortage of detail/resolution there.
I do agree that the theoretical maximum detail that can be recorded by the excellent larger 60MP full frame sensor on the Sony camera could give a bit more image reproduction size for those pushing the outer boundaries of print size. Somewhere above about a 20” x 30” print, those who know what to look for will be able to see it with a close inspection. So if that’s what you do — very large prints — and you optimize your shooting and post-processing with that in mind, then the FF system provides a real advantage.
But if your needs fall short of that (perhaps you never print larger than letter sized, if all all, or you tend to shoot more casually, without a tripod, for example) then either a high MP FF or APS-C system will work very well. (That APS-C system doesn’t hav to come from Fujifilm if its full manual interface isn’t your thing — Sony and others make them, too.)
