Desmolicious wrote:
And that’s the weird thing about Ricoh/Pentax. They could have just taken one of their superb ‘old’ p&s cameras, taken it apart, copied everything and reproduced it. Perhaps w slightly updated exterior styling if need be.
I can only imagine that (compared to the nineties) making them is just not feasable at the end of the day as the expected numbers (sold units) are just a fraction of what they were back then.
Desmolicious wrote:
I think the only places the P17 sold out where the two or three popular mail order destinations - B&H etc.
When I visited Samys in LA ( a very large bricks n mortar store) they had a whole pallet of them and said they had not sold a single one. My local shop Paul's Photo also has not sold any - but there they are on the shelf.
Oh wow, that's interesting (and sad) to hear! I really was under the impression the camera was a big success.
Watching the videos and reports of issues with rewinding makes me wonder if the problem is with the rewind release button. Users of modern film cameras are accustom to pressing the button and rewinding the film but older designs it was necessary to hold the button down for a smother rewind. With my Retina IIa, if I engage the release button, the film will rewind but not smoothly. If I keep pressure on the button, rewinding is smooth and quiet.
If would be helpful if anyone who has a MC-A would try it and give us a report.
Not a word about overlapping frames. He does say the film loading is very fiddly and the film didn't advance properly the first time.
And he's not fond of the trite nonsense printed on the top...
Yeah, I asked if his overlapped frames. Kinda hard to believe it does not seeing everyone else's experience.
The thing is he sends his film out to get developed and never asks for his negatives back. He just gets scans. So the scans may have cropped out the overlaps.
madNbad wrote:
Watching the videos and reports of issues with rewinding makes me wonder if the problem is with the rewind release button. Users of modern film cameras are accustom to pressing the button and rewinding the film but older designs it was necessary to hold the button down for a smother rewind. With my Retina IIa, if I engage the release button, the film will rewind but not smoothly. If I keep pressure on the button, rewinding is smooth and quiet.
If would be helpful if anyone who has a MC-A would try it and give us a report.
On my copy just pushing the button is sufficient and I never experience any problems with rewinding. Either it's copy to copy variation or related to how people load the camera. After seeing that youtube review with the dude holding the camera upside down while attempting to load it, I do not trust anyone who claims to have rewind issues
fjablo wrote:
Isn't this almost the size of an M though? At that point why not just use an M?
It is the size of an M. Why not use an M? This has AF as well as MF, a really excellent zoom lens, and a shutter that goes up to 1/8000 sec vs 1/1000 of an M. Also auto film advance (if you like that sort of thing), multi exposure capability (can't do that w an M) etc.
Do I prefer it to using an M? No. It's just not satisfying to use like an M is.
fjablo wrote:
On my copy just pushing the button is sufficient and I never experience any problems with rewinding. Either it's copy to copy variation or related to how people load the camera. After seeing that youtube review with the dude holding the camera upside down while attempting to load it, I do not trust anyone who claims to have rewind issues
Thanks! It's surprising how many of the reviewers haven't taken the time to learn how to operate the camera before posting!
Desmolicious wrote:
Yeah, I asked if his overlapped frames. Kinda hard to believe it does not seeing everyone else's experience.
The thing is he sends his film out to get developed and never asks for his negatives back. He just gets scans. So the scans may have cropped out the overlaps.
And Hamish has answered "yes" to your question, on one of the frames. Huss, you'll also be pleased to know that that frame also has a big scratch on it, although it could be from the lab/scanner.
dvoss wrote:
And Hamish has answered "yes" to your question, on one of the frames. Huss, you'll also be pleased to know that that frame also has a big scratch on it, although it could be from the lab/scanner.
Yeah I saw his answer. Basically the first batch of these cameras are defective. What a shame.
