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The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.

  
 
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p.9 #1 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


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And it's an f/1.2 lens to boot, so just shoot everything wide open because the ultra shallow depth of field look is obviously the best for every situation.

Perhaps this is another one of Canon's 'anti-smartphone-photography' attempts to woo noobie 'creators' (gaah) with cheap fast lenses that counteract the infinite depth of field rendering of phone cameras without use of fake computational background bokeh/blur.

I'm surprised no one has yet used the term 'cinematic' to describe how this lens renders.



Makes me long for the days of tobacco filters and solarized prints...



Nov 07, 2025 at 08:31 PM
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p.9 #2 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


I don't get the complaints about the 45mm, when we used the EF 50mm 1.2 L we were well aware of its specific and niche application and it was bought for that purpose. Forget sharp across the frame wide open, it barely was sharp across the frame at any aperture. But that didn't matter, it wasn't relevant. This 45mm seems to do the same at a fraction of the cost and it will focus far more accurately.


Nov 09, 2025 at 03:04 AM
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bemei wrote:
I don't get the complaints about the 45mm, when we used the EF 50mm 1.2 L we were well aware of its specific and niche application and it was bought for that purpose. Forget sharp across the frame wide open, it barely was sharp across the frame at any aperture. But that didn't matter, it wasn't relevant. This 45mm seems to do the same at a fraction of the cost and it will focus far more accurately.


I was quite the fan of the EF 50 / 1.2L back in the day. No, it was not sharp across the frame wide open, but it was considerably better than the EF 50 / 1.4, especially with regards to color and contrast at wider apertures:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=403&Camera=979&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=1&LensComp=115&CameraComp=979&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

In other words, of the EF 50mm primes made by Canon, the EF 50 / 1.2L was the best, so, yes, sharpness was relevant, as were other technical qualities. Then came the Sigma 50 / 1.4A, and the debate over sharpness vs "character" became an issue (myself, I chose the Sigma 50 / 1.4A, and my only disappointment with the choice was that the Sigma was significantly larger and heavier).

Now, the RF 45 / 1.2 STM may not be any worse than the EF 50 / 1.2L, but there are *significantly* better options for RF mount with regards to IQ. Of course, they're also significantly larger and more expensive. This doesn't mean that you can't get great photos with the RF 45 / 1.2 STM. But, by the same token, it doesn't mean that you can't get great photos with the RF 50 / 1.8, which is smaller and less expensive still, albeit a stop slower. If background blur is super important, then the RF 85 / 2 IS STM would be the better choice, as it's about the same size and price, way sharper, but more blur and very pleasant bokeh. But it's also twice the focal length, so not the same thing, obviously.

And that's the point -- none of these lenses are the same. They all have their plusses and minuses. For some, the RF 45 / 1.2 hits the nail on the head or, at least, represents the best balance of what people are looking for. But others would have preferred a 45 / 1.2 that was closer (if not equal) to the RF 85 / 2 IS in terms of sharpness, at least stop for stop, accepted that the lens would be softer than the 85 / 2 IS at apertures wider than f/2, in a package not larger than the 85 / 2 IS but for, say, double the price. That would have been a much nicer balance for many (me included).

So, some are getting what they want, others are not getting what they hoped for. In other words, business as usual. : )



Nov 09, 2025 at 04:03 AM
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p.9 #4 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


takowasa wrote:
I was quite the fan of the EF 50 / 1.2L back in the day. No, it was not sharp across the frame wide open, but it was considerably better than the EF 50 / 1.4, especially with regards to color and contrast at wider apertures:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=403&Camera=979&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=1&LensComp=115&CameraComp=979&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

In other words, of the EF 50mm primes made by Canon, the EF 50 / 1.2L was the best, so, yes, sharpness was relevant, as were other technical qualities. Then came the Sigma 50 / 1.4A, and the debate over sharpness vs "character" became an issue (myself, I chose the Sigma 50 / 1.4A, and
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Canon's product line around the 50mm focal length was already puzzling in the EF range. The f:1.8 model was released 1987, version 2 in 1993 and then an STM version in 2015. There was only one f:1.4, 1993, without any attempt to issue e.g., an IS version with improved optics and AF, a lens which would have been a killer IMHO. The f:1.2 was released in 2007, and like all the maximum aperture lenses in EF without IS, and being an L lens it was quite expensive. It was also heavy and bulky.
In the RF series we got off to a great start with the 50mm f:1.2L, followed by the f:1.8 at bargain price and impressive compactness. But the RF 50mm1.4 slot is populated with a VCM that is impressive for the hybrid user but disappointing for a still photographer by the lack of IS and a relatively bulky and heavy construction.
The RF 45mm 1.2 is therefore an interesting step for Canon by adding to the current choices of aperture, price, bulk and optical excellence a lens that is clearly prioritizing low price, weight and bulk (with computational corrections to make up for a less sophisticated design). This is probably not the lens for photographers who use primes extensively, but for those of us who use zooms as primary glass and primes for less frequent shooting purposes, size, weight and cost matter a lot, as they define whether the lens is in the backpack or not. Having an additional f-stop relative to the f:1.8 is meaningful in this context. I do regret the absence of IS, which makes it advisable to use a camera with IBIS (r6mk2), i.e. a tad heavier than an R8.



Nov 09, 2025 at 06:35 AM
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p.9 #5 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


I still think Canon is flooding the market with cheap and not so cheap lenses to leave little room for 3rd party lenses to make any money in the RF line.


Nov 09, 2025 at 09:24 AM
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p.9 #6 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


takowasa wrote:
I was quite the fan of the EF 50 / 1.2L back in the day. No, it was not sharp across the frame wide open, but it was considerably better than the EF 50 / 1.4, especially with regards to color and contrast at wider apertures:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=403&Camera=979&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=1&LensComp=115&CameraComp=979&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

In other words, of the EF 50mm primes made by Canon, the EF 50 / 1.2L was the best, so, yes, sharpness was relevant, as were other technical qualities. Then came the Sigma 50 / 1.4A, and the debate over sharpness vs "character" became an issue (myself, I chose the Sigma 50 / 1.4A, and
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Back in the day I tested my copy of the EF 50L against a 1960's Pentax Super Tak 50mm 1.4, at f8, the Tak was considerably sharper in the corners. My 50mm 1.4 workhorse was also. But then I bought the 50L for shooting wide open, heck I couldn't get accurate focus at other apertures due to the focus shift, my 5D3 would only micro adjust for wide open. I used the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art on a D810 in the studio for product work, spectacular sharp lens but as you mention, a big boy. Oh and the the rendition was strictly 'modern'.



Nov 09, 2025 at 10:14 AM
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p.9 #7 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


campy wrote:
I still think Canon is flooding the market with cheap and not so cheap lenses to leave little room for 3rd party lenses to make any money in the RF line.


We need Canon to be profitable as people “invested” into the system. As long as Canon is making a substantial lineup, I don’t need Sigma or any other brand to enter -



Nov 09, 2025 at 11:10 AM
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There are 4 EF 50 1.2's for sale on the B/S Forum. I guess the sellers are thinning their herd for the 45 1.2.
Jim



Nov 09, 2025 at 11:46 AM
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p.9 #9 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


RustyRus wrote:
We need Canon to be profitable as people “invested” into the system. As long as Canon is making a substantial lineup, I don’t need Sigma or any other brand to enter -


But many are sick of Canon not producing enough new lenses, not just the blurry ones in fashion now. We'll see if they step it up or if they lose market shares. I'm too old to wait though.

EBH



Nov 09, 2025 at 11:51 AM
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p.9 #10 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


bemei wrote:
Back in the day I tested my copy of the EF 50L against a 1960's Pentax Super Tak 50mm 1.4, at f8, the Tak was considerably sharper in the corners. My 50mm 1.4 workhorse was also. But then I bought the 50L for shooting wide open, heck I couldn't get accurate focus at other apertures due to the focus shift, my 5D3 would only micro adjust for wide open. I used the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art on a D810 in the studio for product work, spectacular sharp lens but as you mention, a big boy. Oh and the the
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The EF 50 / 1.2L did not do as well as the slower primes well stopped down. For example, the EF 50 / 1.4 was better (resolution-wise) at f/5.6 than than the EF 50 / 1.2L. In other words, it was never a landscape lens.

RustyRus wrote:
We need Canon to be profitable as people “invested” into the system. As long as Canon is making a substantial lineup, I don’t need Sigma or any other brand to enter -


Sure. But many of us would very much like Sigma, Tamron, Viltrox, etc., be allowed to sell their wares in RF mount, since no matter how substantial Canon's lineup may or may not be, there are still options made by third parties that fit some people's needs better, or, alternatively, the same as what Canon is offering but at substantially lower cost (e.g. Sigma's 50 / 1.2 for 60% the price of Canon's RF 50 / 1.2).

jgoetz4 wrote:
There are 4 EF 50 1.2's for sale on the B/S Forum. I guess the sellers are thinning their herd for the 45 1.2.


Makes sense -- basically looking to swap for an RF version of what they see as being essentially the same lens for zero net cost. That said, I can't help but wonder if an RF 50 / 2 IS macro that cost the same as the 85 / 2 IS macro in a slightly smaller package would not have been a more popular choice.

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campy wrote:
I still think Canon is flooding the market with cheap and not so cheap lenses to leave little room for 3rd party lenses to make any money in the RF line.

I think the reason RF remains closed is that Canon wishes to retain the ability to update the digital standards of the lens/camera connection over the life of the system (25-30 years?). The moment you publish a licensed or publicly available interface protocol to be used by 3rd parties, you seriously hamper your ability to evolve it. This was not such a big issue for the EF generation, because not much was traded over the interface. Now RF offers coupled IS / IBIS, in-camera lens corrections feeding off lens data (zoom position, aperture, etc…), live focus breathing correction, and there needs to be a possibility to make room for expansion, especially as the lenses can also be updated with new firmware versions. If the RF protocols are frozen to allow 3rd party lenses, the system will lose innovation potential.



Nov 09, 2025 at 03:25 PM
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p.9 #12 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


I generally buy every lens Canon offers. The 45 looks like nothing more than a Christmas stocking suffer to me and will be the first I won't buy.


Nov 09, 2025 at 04:34 PM
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Rivermist wrote:
I think the reason RF remains closed is that Canon wishes to retain the ability to update the digital standards of the lens/camera connection over the life of the system (25-30 years?). The moment you publish a licensed or publicly available interface protocol to be used by 3rd parties, you seriously hamper your ability to evolve it. This was not such a big issue for the EF generation, because not much was traded over the interface. Now RF offers coupled IS / IBIS, in-camera lens corrections feeding off lens data (zoom position, aperture, etc…), live focus breathing correction, and there
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Why would Canon do all that if there's no competition? Not even sure if the average buyer even cares about the future firmware updates to a cheap lens. They buy it because it's a good enough lens for snapshots. The L lenses are in a different class. If Sony wasn't so stubborn about keeping the menu system and body handling they could challenge Canon for the top spot. They certainly have the lens options to do it.



Nov 09, 2025 at 05:23 PM
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p.9 #14 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


takowasa wrote:
The EF 50 / 1.2L did not do as well as the slower primes well stopped down. For example, the EF 50 / 1.4 was better (resolution-wise) at f/5.6 than than the EF 50 / 1.2L. In other words, it was never a landscape lens.

Let's be honest, few, if any of "us", *need* a camera at all. However, there are quite a few non-trivial lenses made by third party that I, and many others, certainly want. In my case, the 35 / 1.2 and 35-150 / 2-2.8 are two lenses that, eventually, I'll have to buy a Nikon or Sony
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Good lord man- I said I’m good with what Canon has to offer- said nothing about allowing or not allowing anyone else more options.

Take a breather man-



Nov 09, 2025 at 05:44 PM
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RustyRus wrote:
Good lord man- I said I’m good with what Canon has to offer- said nothing about allowing or not allowing anyone else more options.

Take a breather man-


Apologies for any offense -- I edited my post after a long breather. : )

Rivermist wrote:
I think the reason RF remains closed is that Canon wishes to retain the ability to update the digital standards of the lens/camera connection over the life of the system (25-30 years?). The moment you publish a licensed or publicly available interface protocol to be used by 3rd parties, you seriously hamper your ability to evolve it. This was not such a big issue for the EF generation, because not much was traded over the interface. Now RF offers coupled IS / IBIS, in-camera lens corrections feeding off lens data (zoom position, aperture, etc…), live focus breathing correction, and there
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No, Canon has closed RF mount because they feel it is more profitable to do so. There's no reason that Canon would have to "freeze" RF mount to allow third party lenses -- third party lenses offer docking stations to update their firmware, so that's a non-issue.



Nov 09, 2025 at 08:12 PM
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p.9 #16 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


takowasa wrote:
Apologies for any offense -- I edited my post after a long breather. : )

No, Canon has closed RF mount because they feel it is more profitable to do so. There's no reason that Canon would have to "freeze" RF mount to allow third party lenses -- third party lenses offer docking stations to update their firmware, so that's a non-issue.


Cheers- No worries-

Rusty



Nov 09, 2025 at 08:36 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to just get the RF 50/1.2 instead of all those lesser lenses? I'm not seeing that the 45/1.2 will be as good. If you mostly do videos needs may vary.

EBH


I was deciding between the 50mm 1.4L and 50mm 1.2L. Price was a factor but not the major deciding factor. I went with the 1.4 due to the size.

I have the 24-70mm 2.8L and the 50mm is similar heft and the heft on the 24-70mm is a reason why I don't use it more.



Nov 09, 2025 at 09:39 PM
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p.9 #18 · The R6M3 and RF 45 1.2 lens.


The 45mm looks like a fun lens and I am glad that Canon decide to make it at that price. We have now 4 choices at ~50mm and they are all quite a bit different.

I think the biggest disappointment for me is that I expected that the 45mm would match the 50mm 1.8 at smaller apertures (e.g. 2,8-5.6). But it seems that the 45mm never really cleans up. So when I am going light I am not sure I would choose to take the 45mm over the 50mm 1.8. I find that even f/2.8 still gives you often plenty of background separation.



Nov 09, 2025 at 09:43 PM
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No, Canon has closed RF mount because they feel it is more profitable to do so. There's no reason that Canon would have to "freeze" RF mount to allow third party lenses -- third party lenses offer docking stations to update their firmware, so that's a non-issue.


True, I am not in Canon's confidence, and my explanation is therefore purely speculative, as is your allegation that Canon's motivations are purely profit-based. No denying that as a public company Canon pursues profit, but I do believe for what it's worth that looking at the many bold moves they made over the past 50 years they do also follow Japanese values of customer-oriented initiatives with often very high stakes. My speculation is based on the 45 years I have spent in IT technology, with a lot of it involved in systems and data interfacing, "open" systems. firmware, etc.. Application Programming Interface (API) is the data and system equivalent of a hardware electronic interface. Experience is that while you can publish the standards through which the interface operates, if you also have to publish the scope of possible upgrades and the requirements the 3rd party must conform to so that they can follow your upgrade paths as yet unspecified, you might as well buy their company and add their products to yours.



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