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p.1 #1 · Sony Full-Frame vs. Olympus OM1 II?


Does anyone have experience shooting both Sony full-frame and Olympus OM1 II Micro-Four-Third images?

Two of the things that I have wished for Sony to do is to make a stacked sensor camera that is no larger than the original A9 and to develop some computational photography functions for its cameras.

I recently came across specs for the newish Olympus OM1 II, and it really caught my attention.

It has a stacked sensor. It is about the same size as the original A9, with lenses that are much smaller than full-frame. It has 8.5 stops of IBIS. It has an array of computational photography features that seem very powerful and useful. For example, it has built-in regular and graduated neutral density filters. The latter let you position the line where the graduation begins and also let you set the angle of the graduation filter line and whether it is a hard or soft line. Users report that its focus-stacking can be used hand-held because of the excellent IBIS. There are lots of jpg filters and the camera lets you save any shot in multiple filter versions rather than only one. There is a lot more, but I won't go into it here.

The concern is that the 20mpix filter is MFT with a 2X crop factor. So, one wonders about details and high ISO performance.

I'd love to hear some reports from Sony users on the Olympus OM1 II's image quality, especially at high ISO, and their experiences in general with the OM1 II camera.




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Aug 03, 2025 at 08:15 AM
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p.1 #2 · Sony Full-Frame vs. Olympus OM1 II?


This is an interesting question, looking forward to some comparisons from users here.

I’ve spent ages in doing research around this topic, read lots of articles and watched heaps of videos, and finally went with the A1II. Cost wise it was just about similar (comparing the OM1 II with the 150-400 vs the A1II with the 200-600), and considering the crop reserve from the A1II the focal length is about the same, and weight wise it was around 2400g vs 2800g. Yes, the burst rates are not in the same league, as the OM1 is more in the leave of the A9III.

I’m happy now, but still curious what other users have found out, specifically the ones which have used both the A9III and the OM1 Mark II, or even the A1II.



Aug 03, 2025 at 08:29 AM
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You might want to cross post in the MFT forum, too. I shall be watching with interest because I've always coveted the compact size of the Oly system, especially as Sony bodies get ever larger (a major factor I left Canon and bought the original A9 was it's diminutive size)


Aug 03, 2025 at 08:34 AM
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chiron wrote:
Does anyone have experience shooting both Sony full-frame and Olympus OM1 II Micro-Four-Third images?

Two of the things that I have wished for Sony to do is to make a stacked sensor camera that is no larger than the original A9 and to develop some computational photography functions for its cameras.

I recently came across specs for the newish Olympus OM1 II, and it really caught my attention.

It has a stacked sensor. It is about the same size as the original A9, with lenses that are much smaller than full-frame. It has 8.5 stops of IBIS. It has an array of computational
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I have used a lot of Sony cameras (A7 II, A7r II, A7r V, A7S, A9, A1) and the Olympus OM 5 and OM 1 (but not the OM 1 II), and my general take is that the OM 1 II is an interesting and compelling camera, but how well it will suit your photography depends on what you like to shoot.

Do you shoot at base ISO a lot? If you do then m4/3rds sensors have a lot less DR at base ISO and that may be an issue for you.

What lenses do you use? Can you get photographically equivalent lenses in the other system. Both systems have lenses that don't really have equivalents in the other system. Let me give a couple of examples.

First, if shooting macro is important than the Olympus 90 f/3.5 2X macro lens has nothing like it for Sony or any other FF system. Its longer effective focal length and high magnification are pretty unique and its slow effective aperture really isn't a problem when depth of field is so thin for close focus and allows the lens to stay pretty small. In my view a 180 f/7 FF 2X macro lens doesn't exist for FF, but it is a really interesting option that may suit some people's photography well.

Second, if you shooting with one or two of the new FF f/2 zooms, then you aren't going to be able to get anything close to that experience with m4/3rds. Recently, Panny/Leica has brought out the 10-25 f/1.7 and 25-50 f/1.7 zooms, which finally get a couple of m4/3rds zooms lenses close to the capabilities of f/2.8 zooms (they are still a half stop deeper in depth of field, however), but they are nowhere close to the new f/2 zooms.

So, I think it is important to consider what lenses you would use for each system. Some will have similar capabilities, but some will be unique. FF lenses will tend to offer shallower depth of field capabilities than is available from any m4/3rds lenses, but that will come with bigger lens size. On the flip size m4/3rds will offer some lenses that are quite small and clearly smaller than anything available for FF but do not offer very shallow depth of field or faster shutter speed capabilities. When lenses offer the same effective focal length and the same depth of field, there won't be much difference in lens size or in what the lens can do or typically even in IQ, except at base ISO where the FF system will still have an advantage.

I hope that helps as you consider the OM 1 II.



Aug 03, 2025 at 09:01 AM
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I owned the OM1 and the OM5 for a while. I really liked them especially the computational photography elements, live ND, focus stacking, hand held high res, and my favorite was live composite where only new light is added to the scene. I originally went that route for the size factor, but I was finding the gains were only at the margins in that category, especially with the introduction of the a7Cr. When I was in some Costa Rican coastal jungles, I also felt like I had more noise which is less of a problem now with software improvements, but it did still bugged me. I've been tempted to pick up an OM3 but did not like the handling when I tried it out and think OM1 II is the route I'd go if I wanted a backpack set up. If they made an OM5 with the capabilities of the 1 II or 3 I'd be all in. Love that size with some of my favorite primes like the 75 1.8, 60mm macro, and 20 1.4.


Aug 03, 2025 at 09:20 AM
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I have used a lot of Sony cameras (A7 II, A7r II, A7r V, A7S, A9, A1) and the Olympus OM 5 and OM 1 (but not the OM 1 II), and my general take is that the OM 1 II is an interesting and compelling camera, but how well it will suit your photography depends on what you like to shoot.

Do you shoot at base ISO a lot? If you do then m4/3rds sensors have a lot less DR at base ISO and that may be an issue for you.

What lenses do you use? Can you get photographically
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Steve,

Thank you for the detailed and helpful answer. The use cases you specify, where I might find the different systems offer very different capabilities or inabilities, happily do not apply much to me.

I usually don't shoot at base ISO, so that is not an issue for me (but I am likely to be shooting at high ISO, which is one of my concerns about the OM1 II's MFT format).

I rarely shoot macro.

I don't have and I am not drawn to the new f2 zooms--they are too big and heavy to be appealing for me.

Almost all of my shooting takes place in the range from 24mm to 90mm and can be described as documentary in style, whether it is travel, family, street, or even landscape, architecture, and still life.

So, I think I would gain the advantage of smaller lenses and that I would find the lenses I prefer on the Olympus system (though I quail at the thought of starting to acquire more lenses for another system).

The different depths-of-field of the sensor formats seems like more of a trade-off than a relative disadvantage to me. There are as many times that I wish for a bit more depth of field as there are that I wish for more isolation of the focal point. So, I am okay with this difference in the formats.

I prefer the 4:3 MFT ratio to the 3:2 full-frame ratio.

The main concern I have is with overall image quality in printed images (up to 16x20 size, but mostly 5x7), especially with images made at higher ISO settings (usually about 800-3200 and rarely higher than 12800). I am not one who loves very sharp detail in most of my images (I actually find it distracting, calling too much attention to itself). But the image should not appear soft, unless that is what is intended.

As for noise at higher ISOs, the advances in noise reduction technology make me think that high ISO images in MFT format might be quite workable.

Thanks again for your insights and the benefit of your experience.



Aug 03, 2025 at 09:39 AM
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[...]So, I think it is important to consider what lenses you would use for each system. Some will have similar capabilities, but some will be unique. FF lenses will tend to offer shallower depth of field capabilities than is available from any m4/3rds lenses, but that will come with bigger lens size. On the flip size m4/3rds will offer some lenses that are quite small and clearly smaller than anything available for FF but do not offer very shallow depth of field or faster shutter speed capabilities. When lenses offer the same effective focal length and the same depth
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▲ That part.

I have owned different Sony FF cameras and micro 4/3 cameras including OM System OM1 (first version, marked Olympus on the top) in parallel. I now use the A1 only.

The micro 4/3 system and the OM 1 had to go as I didn't find any real advantage with the system _for me_. Earlier I also had the Olympus OM-5 and a couple of Panasonic cameras.
I almost never use tele lenses. 80% av my images are taken with lenses in the 25-85mm range, the rest are taken in the16-24mm range.

In that range I found I made few or no savings regarding size, weight or price. The OM-1 is a nice camera. You have a bunch of fair reviews of it over at DPR by Jordan and the other more talky guy.
Maybe it's age but I never made friends with the ergonomics. Buttons, including the on/off button at the wrong places, no aperture rings and regular problems getting things or persons reasonably isolated (or the background blurry to the right amount).
Some of the Olympus Pro lenses are cool but in the end they also are heavy, expensive and still not equivalent to a common 50/1.4 for example. And yes, you'll run ino noise problems more often.

The OM System camera is obviously the exact right camera for some other user cases.



Aug 03, 2025 at 09:47 AM
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I have been an on and off Olympus shooter for many years but mostly have shot Sony (currently an A7RV). I shoot a lot of portraits and street scenes. I am dipping my feet into M 4/3 again with a recently purchased Om-3 and some used lenses. The 12-45, 17 1.8 and 45 1.8. It's too soon to give a real solid opinion but I bought the Olympus primarily for travel.. For shorter focal lengths I disagree about the size comparison. The Olympus is much more carryable. Understand I have an extensive Sony system and plan to keep it as my primary camera but that doesn't mean the OM-3 does not have a place. I printed a 13x19 print to see how it came out and had no issues with print quality. ISO was definitely worse on the Om-3 but Adobe noise reduction cleared up much of that and you certainly can not crop as much but it all depends on what you shoot.

The attached shows a comparison of the A7Rv and and the OM-3. Anyone can argue that my lens choices are unfair, however they are as equivalent as I could make them and represent what i might use for a casual walkaround shoot. The second shot is a portrait test shot I did with the Olympus. It would not really be my portrait choice but it performed very reasonably.











  OM-3    OM 12-45mm F4.0 lens    26mm    f/7.1    1/640s    200 ISO    +255.7 EV  



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jmmaher wrote:
I have been an on and off Olympus shooter for many years but mostly have shot Sony (currently an A7RV). I shoot a lot of portraits and street scenes. I am dipping my feet into M 4/3 again with a recently purchased Om-3 and some used lenses. The 12-45, 17 1.8 and 45 1.8. It's too soon to give a real solid opinion but I bought the Olympus primarily for travel.. For shorter focal lengths I disagree about the size comparison. The Olympus is much more carryable. Understand I have an extensive Sony system and plan to keep it as
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Very compelling comparison. And the portrait is wonderful! What more do you think you would have gotten from the portrait if you had used different gear? Striking image.

A lot of my shooting is at higher iSOs, so the noise is a consideration, but i do think current NR software removes a lot of the disadvantage.

I also can't see myself giving up the Sony system--there is too much I like about it. But the idea of a small, carry-able, stacked sensor system is very appealing to me for travel and other take-along situations. The difference in the lens sizes is important.



Aug 03, 2025 at 10:37 AM
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I’ve got an A1 II and OM-1. Totally use case specific.

Today I’ll be shooting the Blue Angels with some friends.


Taking the OM-1 150-400 combo. For an air show I like it better than the A1 II 200-600 combo.

For anything else that doesn’t call for the 150-400 Pro lens I go with the Sony.

The bodies are roughly equal in size. The EVF of the Sony is noticeably better.

The F4 Pro Oly lenses are tiny and sharp. Love them but since the body is the same size as the Sony imo it somewhat negates the advantage of the smaller lenses.

Way better options for faster glass if you like bokeh. Big advantage for Sony.

The 20-70 is uniquely perfect for me as a travel lens. I value the extra width going to 20. Eliminates the need for a wider lens in many cases and with 50mp the images are very croppable.

High ISO? Not a huge concern now with the latest noise reduction software.

Sony is better for sure though.

As an all purpose camera - no question the Sony is better for me.

Bottom line: If Sony came out with a faster telezoom with a built in TC I’d probably sell the entire Oly kit.

I still don’t care for the backwards zoom rotation, the power switch on the left hand side and the lens release on the opposite side.

The 150-400 is truly fantastic, the stabilization is better than the A1 II as well. I haven’t objectively competed but I also felt that the buffer filled faster on the OM1 since it takes V90 SD cards instead of CF-A.

After rereading the OP - if you live in the 24-90 range and shoot documentary style the OM-3 / 12-45 F4 Pro would make a very compelling combo.

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jmmaher wrote:
[...] Anyone can argue that my lens choices are unfair, however they are as equivalent as I could make them and represent what i might use for a casual walkaround shoot.[...]


Everything doesn't need to be fair but it should be pointed out that the setups aren't equivalent. It seems to me that your casual walkaround setup is about getting everything in focus and nothing about nice, gradually decreasing resolution and good bokeh.
We can compare a normal and good 50mm, say a FF 50/2 to an equivalent micro 4/3 lens and..... wait, we can't do that. There is no good 25/1.0 and absolutely no 25/0.7.

OTOH the comparison you made is valid for your use so everything is fine. The portrait is nice considering the equipment which in FF terms would be a 24-90/8 lens. That's to slow for me while other user may find it perfect.



Aug 03, 2025 at 10:49 AM
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I've used m43 and Sony for a long time. The OM-1 is a fantastic camera. I never tried the OM-1 II. If speed is your priority, the OM-1 is hard to beat. With the right lenses, m43 gives incredible results. You do run into trouble and limitations of the sensor when ISO goes up and you start heavily cropping images. The OM-1 sensor is the cleanest m43 I've used. You can work at much higher ISO and potentially crop more than on the previous generation m43 sensor before really taking a hit on IQ.

Lately I've been only using Sony. I never used any of the computational or special features of the OM-1 like 120fps or pre-capture. Strictly from an AF, frame rate and rolling shutter perspective, the a9 II does everything I need. It is easier for me to have one system. You can get a first gen a9 for the less money than the OM-1 II.

Although the OM-1 stacked sensor is fast in relative terms, it isn't as fast as the original a9 when you consider the absolute size and resolution of the sensor being scanned. It crossed the magical 1/00th threshold which seems to be where noticeable rolling shutter distortion becomes perceptible in human movement. So the OM-1 is usable in e-shutter for stick swinging sports like golf and baseball without getting noticeable artifacts.

Subject separation is still where the larger sensor cameras win over m43. Some folks get mad when they hear the "E"(quivalency) word. But physics is physics. There are some extremely fast aperture wide lenses available in m43 to compensate. But most sports/action lenses max out at f/2.8 in m43. DoF is shallower on the larger sensor when both lenses have the same aperture. E-mount lenses like the 50-150 f2 and 135 f1.8 have no equivalent in m43. So it is easier to get subject separation with the larger format.



Aug 03, 2025 at 11:16 AM
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I don't argue that the Sony isn't an objectively a better system.. It's also a heavier and physically larger system using the OM-3 and lenses under 100MM. Sometimes it is simply horses for courses.

For studio work or serious portraits my 35 1.4, 85 1.4 or even my Sony 70-200ii 2.8 are better. However the new noise reduction and Lens Blur options are working toward making fast glass unnecessary for reducing depth of field. These seem to get better every month.

For walking around a city street I would rather cary something smaller and lighter. The new RX1 iii is interesting but it's over $5,000 and only 35mm. I had the old one and missed having a zoom.



Aug 03, 2025 at 11:56 AM
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I have been an on and off Olympus shooter for many years but mostly have shot Sony (currently an A7RV). I shoot a lot of portraits and street scenes. I am dipping my feet into M 4/3 again with a recently purchased Om-3 and some used lenses. The 12-45, 17 1.8 and 45 1.8. It's too soon to give a real solid opinion but I bought the Olympus primarily for travel.. For shorter focal lengths I disagree about the size comparison. The Olympus is much more carryable. Understand I have an extensive Sony system and plan to keep it as
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I will quibble with your lenses as they do not have the same capabilities. Here is how I see it.

A good comparison is the Sony 40 f/2.5 and the Olympus 20 f/1.4. Why compare lenses with such different f numbers? There are two reasons that come down to the same thing. 1) The actual hole that each lens opens up to is very close to the same size, and because of the 2) they have very similar shallow depth of field capabilities.

You might think such a comparison is unfair to the m4/3rds camera, but here is why I don't think it is. First the actual hole that each lens opens up to is actually a little bigger with the Sony 40 f/2.5 than the Olympus 20 f/1.4. This comparison in terms of light hitting the sensor actually would favor the Sony lens. It lets in a bit more light (a third of a stop). Second, when you compare these two lens you should turn the ISO down on the m4/3rds camera by a stop and two thirds and that ability to do so is why m4/3rds is not worse at high ISO.
Note that if you pick a lens on m4/3rds and it has an f number that is about 2 stops faster (and half the focal length which most people know) the m4/3rds system will have the same depth of field as the FF system and about as good of high ISO performance as a FF system if you turn the ISO down by 2 stops, which you can do with the same shutter speed because the lens' f-number is 2 stops faster. That is because both those lenses have the same size hole when they open up all the way.

So, chiron, see if m4/3rds have fast enough lenses at the focal lengths you want to shoot that will allow you to turn the ISO down a couple of stops and keep the shutter speed the same as on FF. If those lenses exist, then m4/3rds will perform just as well at high ISO. If they do exist, however, you will find that the m4/3rds lenses typically won't be any smaller.

The flip side of this is that really small lenses like the 17 f/1.8 have less depth of field capabilities and need higher ISO. The 17 f/1.8 is about like a full frame 35 f/3.5 in FF terms. These two lenses have about the same size hole when both are wide open. Comparing these lenses you can again turn the ISO down 2 stops on the m4/3rds system and get similar high ISO performance and similar size.

But in my view you shouldn't compare a 40 f/2.5 on FF and a 17 f/1.8 on m4/3rds. That is like comparing a 40 f/2.5 and 35 f/3.5 on FF. To me they really aren't close enough to compare. I would expect the 40 to be bigger and to have better high ISO performance and that's what you find in the comparison above, but I think in this case better comparisons exist and when you do those better comparisons there isn't much a difference in system size or high ISO performance and if anything the conventional wisdom that m4/3rds is smaller and FF is better at high ISO is the opposite of what you will find.



Aug 03, 2025 at 12:59 PM
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Can't really compare directly with the Sony setup you mention, since I had older Sony's and only rented the A1. Also, for me the Olympus system easily won out over FF for bird photography, but that's not what you're looking at, I guess.

What people have said about both systems is all true and largely depends on the laws of physics. MFT cannot beat FF at high ISOs (but nowadays software can fix most of that); MFT cannot deliver the same narrow field of view at the same apertures as FF (which can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on what you want) and some FF cameras are smaller than the OM1.

That said, the OM1 and the OM1 II are amazing beasts. Olympus was and is at the forefront of computational photography, macro photography and IBIS. Now FF systems have pre-capture. Olympus had it years earlier.

That question is if you would benefit from those offerings.

Another thing to consider is that most of what FF offers over MFT is redundant. If you don't need to print large or crop a lot, you don't need more resolution than what Olympus offers. Sure, it looks better on your monitor when you zoom in to 100%, but that's it.

Now, I'm a firm believer in MFT, but despite that, I still have and use FF and even Fuji medium format, knowing that I probably could get by with just MFT for 99% of what I do.



Aug 03, 2025 at 01:18 PM
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I have an OM-1 (original version) and Sony A7RV and A1 (just got the A1 II, but not set up yet). I've been using the Oly/OM system for 11 years now, but not as long with the Sony system. The OM system is more compact for travel primarily due to the more compact lenses. I have found that several of the computational photography features on the OM-1 don't work as well as I would like. Specifically hand held high res doesn't give much better results than single frame and you are waiting 5+ seconds between shots. I also don't get as good of results with hand held focus bracketing and hand held exposure bracketing as I would like due to frame to frame movement in the first couple of frames shot. The built in ND is nice, but is limited in the applicable exposure range. The AF for fast moving subjects is not as good as the newer Sonys in my experience and of course the viewfinder is significantly lower res. I'm pretty sure some of these issues are improved on the OM-1 II, but I've never tried that camera.

In my limited wildlife shooting experience, I've found that I can usually get better results with my A1 + 300 f2.8 + 2xTC than I can with the OM-1 and excellent 150-400.

However, when I read your typical shooting scenarios (focal length range, target print size, subject matter), I think the OM system could be an excellent candidate for you.



Aug 03, 2025 at 01:21 PM
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Of course the one thing no one mentions is the price difference.


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Of course the one thing no one mentions is the price difference.


I mentioned price and you can actually get a Sony setup for less than m43.

Sony a9 $1500 + Tamron 70-180mm f/2.8 $1000 = $2500

OM-1 II $2000 + OM 40-150mm f/2.8 Pro $1500 = $3500

Sony offers better tracking, better high ISO performance and better subject separation.

Size and weight are nearly identical.



Aug 03, 2025 at 03:29 PM
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Of course the one thing no one mentions is the price difference.


The OP is shooting with lenses in the focal length range between 24 and 90mm.

Comparing the Sony 40/2.5 with the eqiuvalent OM System 40/1.4 shows the Sony lens is smaller, faster and cheaper.
Comparing the Sony 35/2.8 wih the Olympus 17/1.7 (eq. approx. 35/3.4) shows the Sony lens is smaller, clearly faster and somewhat more expensive.

I'm no longer that familiar with the micro 4/3 system but i think there are zoom lenses in the range that are smaller and cheaper han he FF equivalents (but not really equivalents as there are no that slow FF lenses).



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? you are quoting a price for a used A9 from 2017. I agree it's still a good camera but kind of unfair to quote new prices on one camera and used on the other. Also a third party lens against an original manufacturer price. My Sony 70-200 lens is $2995 by itself.


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