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jeffbuzz wrote:
I mentioned price and you can actually get a Sony setup for less than m43.

Sony a9 $1500 + Tamron 70-180mm f/2.8 $1000 = $2500

OM-1 II $2000 + OM 40-150mm f/2.8 Pro $1500 = $3500

Sony offers better tracking, better high ISO performance and better subject separation.

Size and weight are nearly identical.


The OM1 II offers more versatility than the A9. That Olympus lens is also a stellar lens, probably sharper than the Tamron. It’s also a 300mm equivalent, while the A9 doesn’t offer that much resolution over the OM1. A fairer comparison would yield a more expensive FF setup.



Aug 03, 2025 at 04:23 PM
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p.2 #2 · Sony Full-Frame vs. Olympus OM1 II?


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The OP is shooting with lenses in the focal length range between 24 and 90mm.

Comparing the Sony 40/2.5 with the eqiuvalent OM System 40/1.4 shows the Sony lens is smaller, faster and cheaper.
Comparing the Sony 35/2.8 wih the Olympus 17/1.7 (eq. approx. 35/3.4) shows the Sony lens is smaller, clearly faster and somewhat more expensive.

I'm no longer that familiar with the micro 4/3 system but i think there are zoom lenses in the range that are smaller and cheaper han he FF equivalents (but not really equivalents as there are no that slow FF lenses).


On the 40mm, the Sony isn’t faster. The OM System one is faster. Also, the OM System lens has full weather sealing. Not sure about the Sony one, B&H listing doesn’t mention it.

The 35mm isn’t faster either, they’re close in size with the OM being a bit lighter. And again, the OM has full weather sealing while the Sony is dust and splash proof.

On speed, the aperture remains no matter the sensor size the same thus the MFT lenses are faster. It’s the depth of field that doubles.

I’ve played this game before, including to find a FF system that would work for me like MFT works for me. Only when you run apples to apples comparisons will you get the real picture. Otherwise there are always trade offs.



Aug 03, 2025 at 04:36 PM
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There are always trade offs. In my case I didn't imply the Om systems was a better choice for any thing but size and portability although it does excel in some other areas as well.


Aug 03, 2025 at 05:58 PM
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I shoot both OM1 and A7RV. The OM is much more fun to use. It’s faster, smaller, and better designed. The only real advantage of the Sony is the high resolution. For some, the possibility of razor thin depth of field is important, but for m43 users we like the greater depth of field available at wider apertures. Faster lenses are available for m43 if needed. The greater depth of field allows us to largely compensate for the more noisy images at higher ISOs since we can shoot at two stops faster to obtain the same depth of field as with the Sony. IBIS with the OM is also superior at the 20MP resolution than the Sony is at 61Mp, but perhaps this is to be expected. I don’t use the graduated filter, as I generally find the dynamic range sufficient and post processing allows me to do it better. The built in ND filters are great, however. I enjoy using the Sony, but I use that when I want to use something different to make for variety.

If you truly shoot at ISO6400 a lot and wide open at f2.8 or wider for fast moving subjects then there is, of course, less noise with FF, but I no longer do this. In my case I shoot at 800 at f1.2-f2.0 and rely on IBIS. Of course noise reduction works the same way as it does for FF for slower lenses when the light levels are very low. Check out the excellent wildlife images in the m43 forum: most are shot at very high ISOs. People get way too exercised about high resolution and thin depth of field in my opinion, after all there a plenty of FF cameras with 20-25 MP available. You need to be truthful as to whether your purported need for high resolution is real.

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johnvanr wrote:
The OM1 II offers more versatility than the A9. That Olympus lens is also a stellar lens, probably sharper than the Tamron. It’s also a 300mm equivalent, while the A9 doesn’t offer that much resolution over the OM1. A fairer comparison would yield a more expensive FF setup.


It depends what you need to do. I used the setups described above and the Sony gave me better results. For 5-10fps stills of people, I found the a9 did what I needed more easily. The a9 tracks and focuses more reliably than the OM-1. If you're actually going to use all the computational bells & whistles of the OM-1, it could be worth it. I didn't and it wasn't. Horses for courses.



Aug 03, 2025 at 08:46 PM
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On the 40mm, the Sony isn’t faster. The OM System one is faster. Also, the OM System lens has full weather sealing. Not sure about the Sony one, B&H listing doesn’t mention it.

The 35mm isn’t faster either, they’re close in size with the OM being a bit lighter. And again, the OM has full weather sealing while the Sony is dust and splash proof.

On speed, the aperture remains no matter the sensor size the same thus the MFT lenses are faster. It’s the depth of field that doubles.

I’ve played this game before, including to find a FF system that would
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On the 40mm it depends what you mean by faster. Do you mean a wider aperture or a smaller f number? The Oly obviously has a smaller f number, the aperture of the size of the opening at the entrance pupil is actually bigger on the Sony lens. The difference is small, however. The formula for f number is focal length divided by diameter of the lens opening at the entrance pupil. So we can solve for the diameter at the entrance pupil for the Sony as 40 divided by 2.5 which equals 16mm. We can solve for size of the entrance pupil for the Olympus OM 20 f/1.4 in the same way by dividing 20 by 1.4 and we get 14.29mm, so if we think of the size of the actual hole created by the lens at the entrance pupil as the aperture, which is a useful way to think about aperture, then the Sony lens has a wider aperture by just a little--16mm vs. 14.29mm.

When you realize that when m4/3rds lenses have have the focal length and a 2 stops faster f number than a FF lens, then the 2 lenses have the same size opening at the entrance pupil you realize not only that those two lenses have the same field of view and depth of field, you realize why they often are pretty similar in size. The entrance pupil size is pretty important to determining the size of the lens. In case it isn't obvious, having the same size opening at the entrance pupil is also why they have the same depth of field and why they basically transmit the same amount of light. It is also why some people call these lenses equivalent.
My own view is that sensor size doesn't matter much for such equivalent lenses. Comparing brands becomes a lot more like comparing brands with the same sensor size. I think for most people what should drive their decision about sensor size in the system they want to use is not the comparison of such equivalent lenses unless one brands lenses are simply much more to one's liking in rendering than the others. Rather what should drive most people's decisions about sensor size is the availability of lenses they want to use that don't have equivalents on the other sensor size. So, if you want very small lenses with very small opening, there are a bunch of those lenses available for m4/3rds don't have equivalents on FF. Conversely if you want lenses with wide openings but that therefore tend to be larger, then there are a bunch of those available on FF that don't have equivalents on m4/3rds. Of course there are other unique and interesting lenses that may matter for a given individual. Do you want a really long effective focal length 2X macro? m4/3rds has it but FF does not. Do you want a 50mm FF equivalent that has a really big opening and yet is fairly small. Then FF has one for E, RF, Z, and Leica M mounts (the Voigtlander 50 f/1.0). No m4/3rds lens is going to have close to that big of aperture and yet have a fairly small size. Voigtlander makes a 25 f/0.95 lens but it has nowhere near the size of the opening of the 50 f/1.0 for FF, the opening of the m4/3rds lens is in fact almost a quarter the size of the FF lens. I personally don't want either of these lenses, but for people who do the availability of those lenses for one system and not the other should influence their system choice.

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Aug 03, 2025 at 09:42 PM
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I shall make two posts, one to address the concern "one wonders about ... high ISO performance."
You shouldn't be.
Medium format sensors have NO ADVANTAGE over FF sensors, and FF sensors have NO ADVANTAGE over cropped sensors at high ISO.
To echo the comments from Steve Spencer, the advantage of camera systems with larger sensors is at their base ISO, and near the base ISO.
To expand on this, the condition of using THE SAME AMOUNT OF LIGHT is central to a meaningful comparison of camera systems with sensors of different sizes.
As light is external to a sensor, the amount of light that is projected on a sensor is independent of the sensor size. The ISO gain is applied in camera after an image has been captured; thus, the ISO depends on the exposure, but ISO has no effect on the exposure.
The exposure is the amount of light per unit sensors area. Given the same total amount of light, the exposure on a FF sensor is one-forth (1/4th) of the exposure on a micro-four-thirds sensor, because the former is four time larger than the latter (light divided by a larger area gives a lower exposure). The direct effect of the lower exposure on a FF sensor is that a FF camera MUST set the ISO to be four times the ISO of a micro-four-thirds camera.

The equivalent ISO values are ISO(FF) = 4 ISO(mFT)!

In practice, for example, this means that should I set side-by-side my OM-1 II and Sony A1, both using the same SS and fitted with equivalent lenses, e.g. 12mm f/2.8 and 24mm f/5.6, and should I see that the ISO is 1600 on the OM-1, then the ISO should be 6400 on the A1.
Thus, "high-ISO" has different meaning for micro-four-thirds and FF systems. For example, I would normally try to avoid ISO 12800 on my A1, and correspondingly, I normally try to avoid ISO 3200 on the OM-1 II, except when there is simply no other way around available to me.
Do not fall into the confusion of comparing mFT and FF camera systems at THE SAME ISO. This condition immediately means that FOUR TIMES more light is projected toward the FF sensor (and the mFT sensor is "starved of light"). Naturally, feeding more light to a sensor should give better image quality as a result. In principle, one can do the opposite, project more light on an mFT sensor, to see an inferior image quality obtained from a FF camera.
These considerations are reflected in the numbers for the Photographic Dynamic Range (PDR). Let's look at the numbers (from photonstophotos) at the equivalent ISO 1600 (for OM-1 II) and 6400 for several Sony cameras:
OM-1 II, PDR(1600) 7.07
A9 II, PDR(6400) 6.39
A9 III, PDR(6400) 6.04
A7IV, PDR(6400) 6.26
A7RV, PDR(6400) 6.22
A1 II, PDR(6400), 6.34
Clearly, OM-1 II has the best PDR in this series.
One can say that the low-light performance of the OM-1 II is slightly better than that of the FF cameras.





Aug 03, 2025 at 09:54 PM
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I shall make two posts, one to address the concern "one wonders about ... high ISO performance."
You shouldn't be.
Medium format sensors have NO ADVANTAGE over FF sensors, and FF sensors have NO ADVANTAGE over cropped sensors at high ISO.
To echo the comments from Steve Spencer, the advantage of camera systems with larger sensors is at their base ISO, and near the base ISO.
To expand on this, the condition of using THE SAME AMOUNT OF LIGHT is central to a meaningful comparison of camera systems with sensors of different sizes.
As light is external to a sensor, the amount
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There is also a clear reason why an m4/3rds camera might have a slight advantage in PDR and it really is quite simple. Lenses project an image circle, but sensors are rectangles. If two lenses project the same amount of light in a circle, but one lens uses a sensor that more fully fills the image circle this sensor will "lose" less light on the top, bottom, and edges. Of course m4/3rds sensors have a 4 by 3 aspect ratio and fill the image circle a little better than FF sensors with their 3 by 2 aspect ratio. So if both camera sensors are equally effective in transducing light into digital signal, which isn't a given and doesn't always occur, and they are being illuminated by two lenses that transmit the same amount of light, a camera with a m4/3rds sensor would have a bit more DR than a FF sensor because more of the light is wasted and not shone on the sensor for the FF camera.



Aug 03, 2025 at 10:26 PM
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To share the hands-on experience with the OM-1 II and Panasonic G9 II versus Sony A1.
This experience is limited to the following lens kits:
FF, Sony 20mm F1.8, Sony16-35mm F2.8 v.1, Tamron 35-150mm F2.8, Sony 24-105mm F4, 35mm F1.4 GM, 70-200mm F2.8 GMII, 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM, 200-600mm F5.6-6.3, and the x1.4 and x2.0 TCs.
mFT, Panasonic Leica 10-25mm F1.7, M.Zuiko 17mm F1.2, 90mm F3.5 Macro, 12-40mm F2.8 PRO II, 40-150 F2.8 PRO, 400mm F4 PRO.

I obtained the OM-1 II in March 2024 and G9 II in October 2024 and have been shooting with the two cameras almost exclusively. My opinions are just mine, and I expect these to be different from those of others.
To make the long story short, comparing micro-four-thirds and full frame systems is like apples and oranges. It is impossible to make any broad general statement on one being "better" than the other. I can only say that one has some advantages over the other, however these advantages may or may not matter to everyone.
I can give a summary of what I see as distinct and specific advantages of the mFT, as follows:
1) OM-1 II with the 300mm F4 lens is a useful alternative to a FF 600mm F4 camera system. The advantages: (a) the price, (b) the portability, (c) the 1.4m MFD with the maximum magnification of x 0.48 (the lens is a semi-macro), (d) the best in the world IBIS, (e) the black body and an integrated retractable lens hood.
When this can be important: if one wants to have access to FF equivalent 600mm in a camera system that can be carried in a holster while on medium to long hikes. This lens also makes sense for those who are not dedicated wildlife photographers and who cannot afford or would be reluctant to buy the Sony 600mm F4 GM lens. Also, those who may want to shoot hand-held for extended periods of time.
The more expensive M.Zuiko 150-400mm F4.5 with x1.25 TC lens is widely praised and can be considered as well but I don't have any experience to comment on, as I am not a dedicated wild-life photographer.
2) The medium telephoto zoom 40-150mm F2.8 is another lens that, together with the 300mm F4, make the mFT special. At 760 g, this internal zoom with a retractable integrated hood has been my preferred instrument for street photography, people and portraits, and semi-macro (the magnification is 0.42x at MFD of 0.7m). The zoom is unremarkable at 40mm but is outstanding at and near 150mm (FF equivalent 300mm). I like the 40-150mm and the 300mm lenses so much that either these are going to die on me, or I am going to pass away first. Selling these seems unthinkable.
3) To echo the earlier comment from Steve Spencer, OM-1 II with the 90mm F3.5 macro lens can be claimed to be the best system for macro. This is owing to the native 2x magnification (FF equivalent) of the lens and, once again, the best in the world IBIS for those who shoot small things while hiking, hand-held. The camera allows in-camera stacking. In my hands this works well (when the subject is still). The downside is that the stacked image is jpeg only (the camera saves the individual frames as well, as raw files).
4) A distinct special advantage of OM-1 II is the nearly unbelievably steady IBIS (already mentioned above). When shooting in the wide-to-normal range, I can easily shoot hand-held with shutter speeds as long as 2-3 s. Thus, one can shoot night and low-lit scenes (when the subject allows) and collect more light to compensate for the lower PDR 9.69 of OM-1 II at the base ISO 200.
In the final paragraphs, I should address the performance in the wide-to-normal range. In comparison to A1 with the 20mm and 35mm primes and the Tamron 35-150 zoom, the performance of OM-1 II with the 17mm F1.2 and 12-40mm F2.8 lenses is less satisfactory. In particular, the Sony 35mm lens is in a completely different class vs. the M.Zuiko 17mm lens. The latter relies on CA corrections and lens distortion too much to my taste. The Panasonic Leica 10-25mm F1.7 is an outstanding zoom but it is unreasonably large (3.45 x 5.04" / 87.6 x 128 mm) and heavy (690 g) for mFT. There are some super-fast lenses, e.g. Voigtländer(COSINA) SUPER NOKTON 29mm F0.8 Aspherical, NOKTON 17.5 and 25mm F0.95, or Laowa Argus 18 and 25mm f/0.95 MFT APO. However, these are manual-focus only. I personally don’t see a compelling reason for switching from FF and promoting the use of an mFT system in the wide-to-normal range. This can be of interest to select photographers who are pursuing the smallest possible camera systems at all costs. There are posts on the micro-four-thirds forum that seem to indicate that one can be very satisfied with a compact mFT camera system. This hasn’t been my experience, whereas I can wholeheartedly recommend OM-1 II for macro and medium-to-long telephoto applications.
If you look at the image thread on the mFT forum, you should see it is heavily dominated by macro and wildlife photos (many are truly outstanding!). I believe that the mFT image thread illustrates well what mFT is good for.



Aug 04, 2025 at 12:05 AM
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There is also a clear reason why an m4/3rds camera might have a slight advantage in PDR and it really is quite simple. Lenses project an image circle, but sensors are rectangles. If two lenses project the same amount of light in a circle, but one lens uses a sensor that more fully fills the image circle this sensor will "lose" less light on the top, bottom, and edges. Of course m4/3rds sensors have a 4 by 3 aspect ratio and fill the image circle a little better than FF sensors with their 3 by 2 aspect ratio. So
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I haven't thought about this - an interesting thought. Some real experts in optics and sensors (e.g. Jim Kasson) should know more on the subject.



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1) Almost all of my shooting takes place in the range from 24mm to 90mm and can be described as documentary in style, whether it is travel, family, street, or even landscape, architecture, and still life.

2) So, I think I would gain the advantage of smaller lenses and that I would find the lenses I prefer on the Olympus system (though I quail at the thought of starting to acquire more lenses for another system).

3) The different depths-of-field of the sensor formats seems like more of a trade-off than a relative disadvantage to me. There are as many
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FYI I have been using Olympus M4/3 since 2012 and currently shoot with the OM 1 and the OM 3 (which has the OM 1 mk II upgrades). I added Sony in 2018 and have the A7RIV, A7CR and A6700.

I have numbered your responses to make it easier to reply.

1) This range fits perfectly with the 12-45mm F4 Pro lens. Fully weather sealed, it's smaller and lighter than the 12-40 f2.8, which I bought in 2012 and still use for most travel to this day. Mine is just a superb lens, and thats after being fully dunked in a ocean tide pool and rinsed off in a foot shower back in 2017.

2) There are many fine primes and zooms in the range you mention. I have a set of the f1.8 to f2 primes @ 12mm, 17mm, 25mm, 45mm and 75mm. Now using them on the OM 3. The 17mm and 45mm f1.2 Pro lenses are mostly used on the OM 1 with the 12-40, 40-150 f2.8 lens and 100-400mm f5-6.3. BTW the 40-150 f2.8 Pro lens will perform very strong against your 720-200mm f2.8 GM, except it goes out to 300mm.

3) For about 90% of my photos the added depth of field I find to be an advantage. When shooting portraits my 17 and 45mm f1.2 Pro primes I still have to be very careful to get both eyes in sharp focus if the subjects head is turned even slightly.

4) Agree, except for landscapes of wide open vistas. But with the much better IBIS in the OM bodies (vs Sony, at least 3 stops) you can shoot hand held panoramas very easily.

5) Have many large prints around my home using the 16MP Olympus sensors from 2016 and softness was never an issue. It has only gotten better. If you are worried about it, make sure to get a couple of the Pro lenses, their optics are a step up, just as the Sony GM's are. (I have 3 GM's)

6) Why are people still talking about sensor noise at ISO 6400 or even 12,800. So many excellent software options to get rid of it. Like others have mentioned, have a look at the M4/3 forum image thread here on FM. But try and stay away from the OM 150-450 F4.5 image thread, that is a very dangerous place....



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On the 40mm, the Sony isn’t faster. The OM System one is faster. Also, the OM System lens has full weather sealing. Not sure about the Sony one, B&H listing doesn’t mention it.

The 35mm isn’t faster either, they’re close in size with the OM being a bit lighter. And again, the OM has full weather sealing while the Sony is dust and splash proof.

On speed, the aperture remains no matter the sensor size the same thus the MFT lenses are faster. It’s the depth of field that doubles.

I’ve played this game before, including to find a FF system that would
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Ooops, my mistake: I was sure you would understand i used the words speed and fast in the context of equivalence. I could have been clearer on that. At the same time... can you honestly say you didn't misunderstand on purpose?

Yes, I have played his game as well, although I didn't think about it as a "game". See my earlier posts about my experience from Olympus and Panasonic cameras (I still have a Lumix GX8 and I still wish that is the kind of tiltable VF Sony should make for the RX1). I ended up with FF cameras as there was no real gain with the bigger micro 4/3 cameras for me.

The 40/2.5 is weather-sealed. Surely not as good as many of the micro 4/3 lenses but it takes rain, splashes and shit quite well.

Anyway, I compared a couple of prices as you mentioned that. In the two cases I found no advantage for the small sensor system.



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M43 was my primary system until I added Sony alongside it. For a while, I split duties. It culminated in two photo events that oed me to go fully into Sony, abandoning M43. The first event was a miniatures museum along with insect photography(in a place in vancouver or victoria island). I took along the olympus 60 macro and the sony 90 macro. I took as equivalent shots as I could, and then examined them side by side. I found the clarity and sharpness in the Sony was far superior. M43 was just more muddy. Could noise removal software improve? Perhaps for the noise, but the sharpness loss in higher iso is substantial as well. I think people sometimes only associate noise with high iso(which happens at much lower iso with m43(1600+ really), but there is also a loss of crispness.

The second event was wildlife photography in Japan, using the panasonic leica X-400. I just found that the sony with the 100-400(all i had at the time), with TC, with substantially clearer/crisper than the M43, which was substantially muddier.

Also, the 20 mp is extremely limiting for cropping wildlife/macro.



Aug 04, 2025 at 02:03 AM
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Ooops, my mistake: I was sure you would understand i used the words speed and fast in the context of equivalence. I could have been clearer on that. At the same time... can you honestly say you didn't misunderstand on purpose?

Yes, I have played his game as well, although I didn't think about it as a "game". See my earlier posts about my experience from Olympus and Panasonic cameras (I still have a Lumix GX8 and I still wish that is the kind of tiltable VF Sony should make for the RX1). I ended up with FF cameras as
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No, I didn't misunderstand on purpose. A lot of people call the FF lenses faster, while they're just not.

The conclusions one draws about advantages and disadvantages are mostly personal.



Aug 04, 2025 at 03:08 AM
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As usual, opinions are all over the place. Since I have all formats and can't decide which one is best for me in general, I'll share my current take:

- I have MFT in 3 OM-1s (two original and one II), one Pen F and the Leica D-Lux 8. I keep three OM1s, because we're thinking about doing a safari in the near future and that way I can have a lens on three bodies and be ready for just about anything; the Leica is one of my EDC cameras, as is the Pen F. The OM1 II I would use for long lenses and for fast work; I often think I should only have MFT, since I hardly ever print and I don't think I'll print so large I need more resolution; but

- at one point, I had to shoot in less light (think winters in Holland, when it's all gray) and I preferred a full-frame solution, but still small lenses: this led me to a Leica M11 and small M-mount lenses, but also to a Nikon Z6III because that M11 can be hard to focus for me; I use those cameras for street and travel (often together with a 90mm-equivalent on the OM1 or the Pen F); and

- I also do model photography in the studio and I like to adapt older lenses; for that I kept the Canon R5 I previously used for birds etc. and I have the R6II. Other than a 28-70/2.8 and the cheap 28 and 50mm lenses, I only have longer lenses for Canon, for their stellar rendering and for Canon's great eye AF (better than Olympus); I tell myself I could use my Olympus for model photography, but seeing the results of the RF 50/1.2 and knowing the eye AF is better, I stick with Canon anyway; and

- I got into the Fuji GFX system because I really like the wide panoramic crop. With the GFX100s, I still have 50mp after cropping half the frame away.

On top of that, I currently also have a Fuji X-E5 coming, but that's really between Leica and Fuji for street photography. I often use zone focusing for street, so I prefer lenses with a focus scale, which limits me to manual focus lenses and some MFT lenses. I also use my MFT cameras for street, but the OM1 is a bit large for that and the Pen F needs an update.

In principle, any of my systems could do whatever I need it to do. Actually, Sony would probably be a good combo for me with small FF cameras and small lenses as well as good, affordable long glass. But I've never really enjoyed Sony (or Panasonic) and I'm not about to try it again.

What I've often wished for but what will probably never happen is a revival of what I really want, which is a digital, modern version of the Contax G system: small, excellent IQ, FF and AF at a relatively affordable price.



Aug 04, 2025 at 03:28 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
No, I didn't misunderstand on purpose. A lot of people call the FF lenses faster, while they're just not.

The conclusions one draws about advantages and disadvantages are mostly personal.


OK, fair enough and I hope I didn't upset you. I know the factors, ins and outs of FF versus 4/3 equivalency. That is since before 4/3 turned micro and I shot the small system in parallel with my 5D classic.

Advantages/disadvantages are personal indeed. For the OP and the focal range I don't see much of advantages for micro 4/3. That is including the price. In fact my example showed there sometimes also is no advantage for the micro 4/3 system when comparing size and weight.




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ruthenium wrote:
I haven't thought about this - an interesting thought. Some real experts in optics and sensors (e.g. Jim Kasson) should know more on the subject.


Well your thoughts led me to do the math and it turns out this is a pretty small factor. The m4/3rds sensor has a 21.63mm diagonal, so the area of the image circle that covers this sensor is 367.5mm squared. The m4/3rds sensor is a rectangle with 17.3mm on the long side and 13mm on the short side so the area of the m4/3rds sensor is 224.9mm squared. That means that 38.8 percent of the light in the image circle isn't hitting the sensor and is hitting the top, bottom, and sides of the image circle where there is no sensor.

A full frame sensor has a diagonal of 43.3mm, so the area of the image circle that covers this sensor is 1,470mm squared. A FF sensor is a rectangle with 36mm on the long side and 24mm on the short side so the area of a FF sensor is 864mm squared. that means that 41.2 percent of the light in the image circle hitting the sensor is hitting the top, bottom, and sides of the image circle where there is no sensor.

This difference of "losing," 38.8 percent of the light in the image circle vs. 41.2 percent of the light in the image circle is probably pretty trivial and not much more than rounding error. An interesting case when there is a theoretical difference that in practice probably would never matter.

People like Jim Kasson have probably already done the math and they know this difference is really small, so never bother to bring it up.



Aug 04, 2025 at 05:11 AM
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SpecFoto wrote:
3) For about 90% of my photos the added depth of field I find to be an advantage. When shooting portraits my 17 and 45mm f1.2 Pro primes I still have to be very careful to get both eyes in sharp focus if the subjects head is turned even slightly.



If you want a shot on FF to have the same depth of field as m4/3rds shot and still use the same shutter speed for the shot, simply stop the aperture down 2 stops and turn the ISO up two stops. Because you can almost always stop the lens down and turn up the ISO in that way, m4/3rds really doesn't have an advantage of having more depth of field. Further when you stop down the FF lens by 2 stops the opening in the two lenses will be the same size and that is exactly why depth of field will be the same, and if the sensors are equally effective at converting light to digital signal the imaging properties (things like dynamic range, color depth, noise etc.) will be about the same when the FF sensor has the ISO turned up two stops higher. Simply put, if the lenses have the same sized opening (i.e., they have an equivalent aperture) the depth of field will be the same and if the sensors perform similarly the images from the four times larger sensor of FF will look the same as the image from the m4/3rds sensor at two stop higher. As long as you can stop down and don't reach the minimum aperture, there is no advantage for m4/3rds in creating more depth of field. Believing that there is a depth of field advantage for m4/3rds is a misunderstanding.

Perhaps as example will make this clear. If you are shooting a 45mm f/1.2 prime on m4/3rds and you shoot it at f/4 and ISO 400 and it has the depth of field that you want and a shutter speed of 1/200. A 90mm FF lens shot at f/8 and ISO 1600 and a shutter speed of 1/200 will have the same field of view, the same depth of field, and if the sensors are equally effective at converting light to digital signal then will show the same dynamic range, color depth, noise, etc. The only differences in the photo will be in the rendering of the two lens just like you were comparing two 90mm lenses with the same f/number on FF or two 45mm lenses with the same f/number on m4/3rds. Sensor format wouldn't matter.

Further size wise a 45mm f/1.2 m4/3rds lens and a 90mm f/2.4 FF lens will have the same design constraint that the opening at the widest aperture at the entrance pupil will be the same size. This constraint is important for determining the size of the lens. It isn't the only factor, however, and so which lens will actually be smaller will depend on the specifics of how the lens is built. m4/3rds lens do have an actual shorter focal length, however, which can allow them to be a little shorter, but in the 24mm to 90mm FF range the OP is interested in it won't allow much if any shorter lenses, but allowing shorter lenses is something that really begins to matter as we compare super telephoto type lenses.




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OK, fair enough and I hope I didn't upset you. I know the factors, ins and outs of FF versus 4/3 equivalency. That is since before 4/3 turned micro and I shot the small system in parallel with my 5D classic.

Advantages/disadvantages are personal indeed. For the OP and the focal range I don't see much of advantages for micro 4/3. That is including the price. In fact my example showed there sometimes also is no advantage for the micro 4/3 system when comparing size and weight.



Very general I think that if someone likes a camera like the Sony A7C or A7Cr and picks the smaller Sony lenses, one can have a very nice, high IQ kit in a small package. A kit that beats MFT in many aspects.



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If you want a shot on FF to have the same depth of field as m4/3rds shot and still use the same shutter speed for the shot, simply stop the aperture down 2 stops and turn the ISO up two stops. Because you can almost always stop the lens down and turn up the ISO in that way, m4/3rds really doesn't have an advantage of having more depth of field. Further when you stop down the FF lens by 2 stops the opening in the two lenses will be the same size and that is exactly why depth of
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….blah, blah, blah… more equivalency bs.

Since 2008 I have taken over 100,000 photos with models for swimsuit, clothing and jewelry manufactures with Nikon D300/D500 APS-C and Olympus M4/3 cameras and NEVER once have I thought that I had to make a crop sensor DOF match the output of a FF camera. They are different and I accepted that back in 2002 when I bought a D100. Long before Sony ever thought about making an 50 mm FF f1.2 lens I was enjoying the benefits of using such super fast primes with crop sensor cameras and manual lenses. When P/Leica introduced the M4/3 42.5mm Nocticron in 2014 it was an immediate buy for me and has remained my most used lens over the last 11 years. It always at F2 or faster.

99% of camera shooters don’t care Steve, the EQ wars are over and the dpr pinheads lost.

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