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I think the lens design patent for both Q3 and Q3 43 are designed by Panasonic optic engineers. I think Leica probably give a large sum of money to Panasonic to not release a LUMIX Q.


Aug 01, 2025 at 11:29 PM
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i don't think there is a big market to capture. high priced fixed lens cameras are a niche item that only a small group of people will ever buy. the question is what is that those people willing to buy a fixed lens camera are looking for. i'm guessing it's not a camera just like their ILC but with a lens they can't take off. i would guess there are two camps (1) one who wants the smallest thing that can work and (2) one that wants a simplified (classic) user experience with the best optics around. i think leica
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I agree with you for the most part, but there's a third group (if I can call myself a group) that would like a small, lightweight camera with a classic and sophisticated look, the size of an A7c, but NOT with the "best" available optics in the sense of super-sharp and fully corrected, but rather something in the style of a 1.2 or 1.5 Voigtländer Nokton. With a good EVF and AF, and you'd know what you're spending your 5,000 bucks on. And personally, I'd like 50mm. Not 28, not 35, not 43, no, 50mm.



Aug 02, 2025 at 03:07 AM
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sebboh wrote:
i don't think there is a big market to capture. high priced fixed lens cameras are a niche item that only a small group of people will ever buy. the question is what is that those people willing to buy a fixed lens camera are looking for. i'm guessing it's not a camera just like their ILC but with a lens they can't take off. i would guess there are two camps (1) one who wants the smallest thing that can work and (2) one that wants a simplified (classic) user experience with the best optics around. i think leica
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Again, I mostly agree with you. There are clearly people in camp #1, but I wonder how big that camp is and if it is shrinking. My guess, and it is a guess, is a very expensive fixed lens camera probably sells to someone who has a pretty extensive photography kit, but wants something to take for those times they don't want to take their full kit. And I do think some of those people will just want as small as possible, but the those people do have other options. They can take their phone, which is obviously smaller and although I hate using my phone for photos and almost never do, a lot of people and increasingly more it seems are quite happy using their phones when they don't want to take their photography gear. Then there are things like the Ricoh GXR--I think they just released a version IV--it is way smaller than the RX1R--which is also smaller if you just want small. On size what the RX1R really competes with is the Fuji XV100 IV which is almost the same size. For luxury buyers who want this size the Sony does have a much better lens, IMO and a better sensor, so I think this camera will sell to some who focus on size, but I think that market is shrinking.

I would characterize camp #2 just a bit differently. I think they care about simplicity, but I think what they want is a camera with everything. They want a great user experience. That is where the simplicity comes in but also things like a great MF feel, and a great viewfinder, and yes a really good LCD that tilts. They also want a great sensor and a great lens. They also want small size. You might want everything, but of course that isn't possible and there are tradeoffs so what is really needed is getting the balance of features right.

I think you are right that Sony shot for camp #1, and I am arguing that they should have shot for camp #2. Again, I might be totally wrong in my analysis, but I think although Sony is good at camp #1, I think they are pretty good at camp #2 and have gotten better at it. I think the evolution of their mirrorless cameras can be seen as a move from camp #1 to camp #2. I am generally happy with that move as I more fall into camp #2 even though I don't want a fixed lens camera, but as someone who seems to favors camp #1 I suspect you are not. I guess in a general way, I am saying that I think Sony has evolved to a system and set of cameras that is more to my liking and has moved away from focussing on keeping things really small. I like that. This RX1R III doesn't in my view have that same sort of evolution. It has stuck very close to the vision of the first version.

I don't really care what Sony did with this camera as I don't want a fixed lens camera, but I think evolving this camera in a similar way to how their other camera systems have evolved would have been a good thing. I could easily be wrong, but what I really care about and hope Sony continues is embracing developing good balanced products that strive for excellence across the board with sensible and smart tradeoffs. I guess I am a bit disappointed that that they didn't develop this camera with more of that approach.

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Aug 02, 2025 at 07:43 AM
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Nifty Fifty wrote:
I agree with you for the most part, but there's a third group (if I can call myself a group) that would like a small, lightweight camera with a classic and sophisticated look, the size of an A7c, but NOT with the "best" available optics in the sense of super-sharp and fully corrected, but rather something in the style of a 1.2 or 1.5 Voigtländer Nokton. With a good EVF and AF, and you'd know what you're spending your 5,000 bucks on. And personally, I'd like 50mm. Not 28, not 35, not 43, no, 50mm.


You are a market of one then. The point of a small fixed lens camera is the ability to take technically high quality images without carrying large gear and lenses. Images that can be edited in post substantially and still don't fall apart. A camera that offers a moderate WA, normal and short tele. The RX1R MkIII is such a camera, and as I wrote in the other thread (you are so fond off :-) ) produces very good images and colors. The GFX100RF is such a camera, though a bit large. The Q line falls into this category, and the X100 line. The Sony for me offers the best IQ and smallest footprint. So I will sell the Q2 and canceled my pre-order for the Fuji X-E5.



Aug 02, 2025 at 07:47 AM
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I think the RX1R III competes with the Leica Qs either way. We are talking a fixed lens luxury camera no matter whatever size it is. And the fact it sells for $5,000 makes it a luxury item. The question is what is the best feature set to compete. Size is one way to compete, but so is features. I think having expected features like IS and a tillable screen are more important than shrinking a camera from 650g to 500g. The camera I think would be better could beat the Leica Q's on size, price, lens, and AF.
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I mostly agree.

For background, I have extensively shot the RX1R (ordered new, 12 years ago), the RX1RII and Leica Q3. Today, I shoot the A7CR, A7R5 and A1 II.

While my A7CR produces outstanding results, the outdated EVF and LCD make this a joyless camera to shoot, for me. The outstanding focus system and IBIS keep me shooting it, however, for travel. Conversely, my A7R5 and A1 II cameras provide a truly outstanding overall shooting experience (for me, personally).

I would love to, again, have a small camera like the RX1RIII, to keep in a small bag in my car and on my person to capture a lot of good opportunities. If Sony had kept the tilting screen on the III, I would pay the premium and endure the lack of IBIS and poor LCD/screen resolution to have such a small, powerful camera.

The nice thing about the RX1RII is that the tilting screen allowed me to shoot lower for a lot of shots, thus keeping the subject on the neutral lens axis and avoiding distortions. It also allowed me to more easily shoot my grandkids, pets, etc. I cannot easily do this with the RX1RIII as I am getting a bit old to kneel-down as I did when I was younger, shooting DSLR’s.

I’m not complaining. I applaud Sony for producing such a technical marvel and I think they will sell a lot of these cameras. When they are available, used, in the future for a lower price, I will likely acquire one. In the meantime, I’m considering re-acquiring another Q3 (for travel and casual shooting) – a camera that was an absolute joy to shoot and which provided outstanding results – even in low-light. I’ll still shoot the A7CR when I need lens flexibility.

Finally, for the record, after shooting thousands of shots with both the RX1 and Q3 cameras, and reviewing shots on a 27”, 5K monitor at 100/200%, as good as the Zeiss lens is, it does not top the Leica in either sharpness or rendering, IMHO. Of course, Leica took lens performance to the next level with the Q3 43.



Aug 02, 2025 at 07:51 AM
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I think the appeal of smaller camera sizes is clear in the sales figures that Sony has generated for the A7CII, and I think their appreciation of the importance of size is also apparent in their design for the new RX1R. I expect Sony to continue to offer smaller cameras, as well as the larger bodies that fit their larger lenses and the needs of professional users.

I think that the next iteration of the A7CR and A7CII, which Sony is no doubt developing, will be a very powerful and appealing camera. I expect an improved EVF & LCD and more evolved ergonomics and technical features, with a maintained small size. And more small high-quality lenses to mount on it. There is a lot of demand for this type of camera, and only Sony is addressing it in full-frame.



Aug 02, 2025 at 08:24 AM
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Again, I mostly agree with you. There are clearly people in camp #1, but I wonder how big that camp is and if it is shrinking. My guess, and it is a guess, is a very expensive fixed lens camera probably sells to someone who has a pretty extensive photography kit, but wants something to take for those times they don't want to take their full kit. And I do think some of those people will just want as small as possible, but the those people do have other options. They can take their phone, which is obviously smaller
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yeah, i just don't think people who want a camera with everything are going to buy a fixed lens camera because it so clearly doesn't offer everything. it has to be limited to a single lens. obviously, i am biased though, unlike you i am not pleased by sony's evolution. their cameras are now bloated both physically and with features i will never use. i do like the viewfinder of a7siii which is lovely, IBIS, and a flip up screen (not swing out like a7cr), but their cameras have become as big dslrs were. i wish they would add an a6000 sized ultra light camera to their FF lineup that lacks IBIS and has the sensor as far back as it is on the original rx1 (using the rx1 body would be good too). the rx1 will never be the perfect camera for me because of the crappy manual focus implementation, but it is still the closest to what I would want if only allowed to shoot one lens.



Aug 02, 2025 at 08:53 AM
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Finally, for the record, after shooting thousands of shots with both the RX1 and Q3 cameras, and reviewing shots on a 27”, 5K monitor at 100/200%, as good as the Zeiss lens is, it does not top the Leica in either sharpness or rendering, IMHO. Of course, Leica took lens performance to the next level with the Q3 43.


for me a lens's rendering is judged by looking at the full image taking up the full screen or in print, and of course i have specific characteristics i like over others. if i have to zoom in to 200% i'm not looking at an important part of the rendering. i know lots of people will disagree, but i feel leica as of late (and all manufacturers) has abandoned attractive rendering of the complete image for perfection when pixel peeping. i like the 50 lux asph much better than the 50 cron AA and i like the rx1's sonnar much more than q43, but that is just taste.



Aug 02, 2025 at 09:00 AM
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We are missing one high-quality, compact, f2.0 aperture 28 or 35 lens for the A7 -- one step away from taking this discussion to a different level. But in all these years, no-one has made such a lens, so I doubt it is coming soon. In the meantime the RX1R III is the best alternative.


Aug 02, 2025 at 09:11 AM
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I mostly agree.

For background, I have extensively shot the RX1R (ordered new, 12 years ago), the RX1RII and Leica Q3. Today, I shoot the A7CR, A7R5 and A1 II.

While my A7CR produces outstanding results, the outdated EVF and LCD make this a joyless camera to shoot, for me. The outstanding focus system and IBIS keep me shooting it, however, for travel. Conversely, my A7R5 and A1 II cameras provide a truly outstanding overall shooting experience (for me, personally).

I would love to, again, have a small camera like the RX1RIII, to keep in a small bag in my car and on
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I often hear photographers comparing the RX1 series to the Q series, but honestly, aside from both having built-in lenses, they belong in completely different categories. Size really is the key here. Once you see in hands, shoot with it, and carry it around, you realize there's nothing else like the RX1. It's the smallest full-frame camera of its kind (built-in lens). The difference in size is huge compared to the Q2, which is actually closer to the size of a Leica M...

What some people miss is that the RX1's main strength is exactly that...giving you a full-frame sensor in the most compact form possible. That means certain features simply aren't possible. There are trade-offs, and that's part of the design philosophy.

On top of that, even the lenses are different in both focal length and character. The RX1 has a 35mm f/2, while the Q2 uses a 28mm f/1.7 (that requires mandatory extreme distortion correction). They not only behave differently in how they render but are also designed for different shooting styles. So you're nott just choosing between two camera bodies, you're also choosing between two distinct lenses with their own personalities.

So it really comes down to what matters more to you. If you want the smallest full-frame camera with great image quality, the RX1 delivers. If you need more features or a different shooting experience, something like the Q2 might be a better fit. But comparing the two directly, or complaining that the RX1 doesn't have what the Q2 does, kind of misses the point. They're built with different design goals and for different priorities.












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You are a market of one then. The point of a small fixed lens camera is the ability to take technically high quality images without carrying large gear and lenses. Images that can be edited in post substantially and still don't fall apart. A camera that offers a moderate WA, normal and short tele. The RX1R MkIII is such a camera, and as I wrote in the other thread (you are so fond off :-) ) produces very good images and colors. The GFX100RF is such a camera, though a bit large. The Q line falls into this category,
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What about what I wrote contradicts what you wrote? I can't find anything. Whether an EVF has 2, 3, or 5 MP with the same viewfinder optics is completely irrelevant to the space required. A 60 MP sensor doesn't take up any more space than a 33 MP sensor. Folding display? With a simple hinge on the bottom edge to fold it down, like on the Fuji X-Pro back then, the camera would be maybe 2 mm thicker, so what? It would still be small enough to be the smallest of all. And a less corrected lens would probably end up smaller rather than larger thanks to fewer elements. And whether the focal length should be 35 or 50 is a matter of taste. It's not for nothing that Leica added the 43. So your argument pretty much misses the point of what I wrote. Furthermore, you contradict yourself by praising the RX1's lens for not being modernized, while at the same time declaring that the whole point of this compact camera is compactness and the best possible image quality. So, if you claim to be able to declare what this lens offers as superior to modern lenses, I can do the same for lenses like Voigtländer, which simply go a step further in terms of "character."



Aug 02, 2025 at 11:19 AM
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Amazing FF IQ, Zeiss f/2 lens, and Sony AF with auto subject detect in the smallest feasible size at an acceptable price point is why I went with the rx1riii. The recent size comparison and review below by 'mathphotographer' YouTuber is worth a watch, and it's truly amazing as a Leica d-lux7/8 shooter to see the rx1riii body yield a smaller footprint (body, not lens, ofc).

After carrying the rx1riii daily for the last week, including riding to and playing 7 hours of pickleball with it tucked into the back pocket of my cycling jersey, I'm thrilled with the size and how it literally fits into my lifestyle and captures the moments a smartphone or aps-c ricoh would have been the only option (or if Fuji decided to upgrade the x70 which recently finally died).

However, my main disappointment is with a complete lack of weather sealing and almost baffling poor build quality, specifically with the left port door that does not lock and slides to open with a flimsy spring. It popped open 3 times in the last week when taking it out of a pocket or carry bag, and is so worrisome that I taped it shut. I also taped the top microphone points and bottom speaker, but there's no way to protect the top hotshoe as I use it for flash. The build quality destroys my confidence using the EDC in even light rain or snow dusting, and here in Anchorage, Alaska at least, this is a major concern. My microscopic Sony RX0ii has waterproof locking port doors, so Sony could have easily made the effort to protect the camera at a basic level (especially at this price point). It is what it is I guess, but thought this may be helpful to some.




Aug 02, 2025 at 11:28 AM
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I often hear photographers comparing the RX1 series to the Q2, but honestly, aside from both having built-in lenses, they belong in completely different categories. Size really is the key here. Once you see in hands, shoot with it, and carry it around, you realize there's nothing else like the RX1. It's the smallest full-frame camera of its kind (built-in lens). The difference in size is huge compared to the Q2, which is actually closer to the size of a Leica M...

What some people miss is that the RX1's main strength is exactly that...giving you a full-frame sensor in
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I completely agree with you.

Folks on this and other forums often wax poetic about how magical the Sony/Zeiss 35mm f2 is. Yes, I have shot thousands of images with this lens and fully appreciate its rendering qualities. What surprised me was how good the Q3 28mm (actual 26mm while the Zeiss is more like 33mm) can be - even the rendering. Below, is my last shot taken with the Q3 before selling it (after buying a ton of newly released Sony equipment, my wife practically insisted on the sale ). Of course, 33mm of the Zeiss lens would have been an advantage over 26mm, but the difference in aperture might reduce some of that advantage.

With regard to size, the RX1RII's small size only provided an advantage, to me, when I traveled to very cold climates where I wore heavy coats with big pockets that accommodated the camera. I now tend to avoid that kind of weather. The rest of the time, I need some sort of small case, so the ultra-small advantage of the RX1 series becomes less of a factor, for me, personally. I fully realize that the physical size/weight advantage of the RX1 would be much more meaningful to other people. Also, I couldn't be more impressed with the technology that Sony inserted into this small form-factor! I expect that I will end-up with one of them sometime in the near future, as I would like to participate in some of that magic.





Q3, 28mm, ISO 1600, f1.7, 1/60




Aug 02, 2025 at 12:41 PM
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Below, is my last shot taken with the Q3 before selling it


Am I the only one who thinks this picture looks "somehow off"? I think it's entirely possible that in the time that's passed, you simply forgot that you had tried to force the background blur through electronic image processing. I'd bet anything that's the case.



Aug 02, 2025 at 01:55 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks this picture looks "somehow off"? I think it's entirely possible that in the time that's passed, you simply forgot that you had tried to force the background blur through electronic image processing. I'd bet anything that's the case.


Interesting thought. I really dislike artificial background blur, so cannot imagine me ever using it.

Edit: I went back and looked at the original, which I had cropped. It looks nearly identical to the one I posted; however, it looks like I might have reduced contrast on the whole image posted by a very small amount, which I often do. Sorry for the apparent lack of full transparency.



Aug 02, 2025 at 01:58 PM
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Interesting thought. I really dislike artificial background blur, so cannot imagine me ever using it.

Edit: I went back and looked at the original, which I had cropped. It looks nearly identical to the one I posted; however, it looks like I might have reduced contrast on the whole image posted by a very small amount, which I often do. Sorry for the apparent lack of full transparency.


I think the cat looks as if it is being photoshopped into the scene. This is probably the looks off part the commenter is referencing about.



Aug 02, 2025 at 04:37 PM
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I think the cat looks as if it is being photoshopped into the scene. This is probably the looks off part the commenter is referencing about.


I personally don’t understand this look. We’ll be getting loads of this in the near future when AI totally infiltrates the photography world. Even if there was no post processing involved…the “pasted” cat just does not look natural.



Aug 02, 2025 at 05:19 PM
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I think the cat looks as if it is being photoshopped into the scene. This is probably the looks off part the commenter is referencing about.


Ha! I think what creates that illusion is that I was so close to my cat when I took the shot. In that sense, I suppose that it might give a false impression of what separation can be created with an equivalent 26mm f1.7 lens.



Aug 02, 2025 at 05:19 PM
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For me at least it's not about what can be achieved with what. It's purely about the effect of the image, completely regardless of the lens used to take it. It just doesn't look natural at all, more like a photomontage of two photos taken under completely different lighting conditions. The cat almost looks as if it's been flashed at, while the background looks as if it's shrouded in fog. And there's nothing in between, no transition at all. It just doesn't fit together. If it really isn't edited, then it's a very strange phenomenon, which I personally find very unpleasant. Although that's perhaps the wrong description. It does look like a joke photo, which is why I find it remarkable that you see it as an example of how good the lens it was taken with is.


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For me at least it's not about what can be achieved with what. It's purely about the effect of the image, completely regardless of the lens used to take it. It just doesn't look natural at all, more like a photomontage of two photos taken under completely different lighting conditions. The cat almost looks as if it's been flashed at, while the background looks as if it's shrouded in fog. And there's nothing in between, no transition at all. It just doesn't fit together. If it really isn't edited, then it's a very strange phenomenon, which I personally find
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I’m sorry this photo evokes such a negative reaction. If I could retract this string, I would do so. I recommend that you just move-on. You have clearly made your point. I really do not think I deserve continuous flogging over a simple dang photograph and personal point-of-view. At the end of the day, nobody really cares about the point I was trying to make, or for that matter, my photo.



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