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Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

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p.44 #1 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

Posted my version 2 in the sell forums in case anyone is interested.

Aug 01, 2025 at 12:58 PM

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p.44 #2 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

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Yes, a body based on the A7C II/A7Cr body and I am suggesting that the fixed lens could have been the one from the RX1R with maybe a few modest upgrades (better focus motors, better polishing of the aspherical elements).

given that the lens is basically attached to the sensor, making IBIS work would be difficult, can't just use the same IBIS module as the the a7cr.

Aug 01, 2025 at 12:58 PM

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p.44 #3 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

sebboh wrote:
given that the lens is basically attached to the sensor, making IBIS work would be difficult, can't just use the same IBIS module as the the a7cr.

Of course that is true, and they would have to work out how to make IBIS work (perhaps lens based IS or a hybrid of lens and sensor IS), but with the body I am suggesting they would have some room to do it. In the super tiny body of the RX1R series and keeping the camera and lens below 500g, asking for IS is simply too much. I would rather have the camera be a bit bigger and a bit better featured.

Aug 01, 2025 at 01:03 PM

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p.44 #4 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

I�d rather Sony concentrate of keeping their cameras as small as possible. There are many alternatives if one wants a larger camera with extra features� not so much if someone wants a truly compact camera.

Aug 01, 2025 at 01:22 PM

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p.44 #5 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

Steve Spencer wrote:
Of course that is true, and they would have to work out how to make IBIS work (perhaps lens based IS or a hybrid of lens and sensor IS), but with the body I am suggesting they would have some room to do it. In the super tiny body of the RX1R series and keeping the camera and lens below 500g, asking for IS is simply too much. I would rather have the camera be a bit bigger and a bit better featured.

why not just get an a7cr then. the advantage of a fixed lens is you can make it smaller.

Aug 01, 2025 at 01:23 PM

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p.44 #6 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

sebboh wrote:
why not just get an a7cr then. the advantage of a fixed lens is you can make it smaller.

Making it smaller is one potential advantage, but I don't think it is the only one and I don't think that advantage is worth leaving out the other features--a useable tiltable screen and image stabilization in particular.

Another main advantage of a fixed lens camera is that you can tune the lens to the sensor is a way you cannot with an interchangeable lens camera. The 35mm lens for the RX1R is a great example of what you can do with lens design if you aren't constrained by making the lens interchangeable. It is that advantage that I want them to keep and personally I don't think the advantage of making it smaller is worth the sacrifice in other features, but of course, YMMV.

Aug 01, 2025 at 02:09 PM

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p.44 #7 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

I think Sony is very aware if they start increasing the body size by very much at all, they just are in a7c land. If the Q cameras were the size of the RX1 line, I would still own mine. I stopped using Sony cameras after the a7rii because the size increases (which were incremental) add up quickly. I still think it�s dumb they went backwards with a fixed LCD.

I often thought if Sony did an RX1r3, they�d use the ZX-1 Distagon. But I think they understand their market is not YouTubers and pixels peepers with his camera�it�s about ultimate portability and rendering.

Aug 01, 2025 at 02:54 PM

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p.44 #8 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

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Making it smaller is one potential advantage, but I don't think it is the only one and I don't think that advantage is worth leaving out the other features--a useable tiltable screen and image stabilization in particular.

Another main advantage of a fixed lens camera is that you can tune the lens to the sensor is a way you cannot with an interchangeable lens camera. The 35mm lens for the RX1R is a great example of what you can do with lens design if you aren't constrained by making the lens interchangeable. It is that advantage that I want...Show more →

i suspect if they went that route we'd just have an a7cr with GM 35 on but a tiny bit smaller and a tiny bit better corrected. personally, i'm not really interested in that, but maybe there are more people who are?

Aug 01, 2025 at 04:11 PM

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p.44 #9 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

sebboh wrote:
i suspect if they went that route we'd just have an a7cr with GM 35 on but a tiny bit smaller and a tiny bit better corrected. personally, i'm not really interested in that, but maybe there are more people who are?

I don't know. An A7Cr plus a GM 35 f/1.4 is over 1000g and much bigger than either of the Leica Q3's. I suspect that Sony could make the camera which I am suggesting with a body much like the A7Cr, but with a much smaller fixed lens like on the RX1R and keep it under 650g and be 10mm less wide than the Leica's and 5mm less tall. Such a camera would be a bit smaller, and cheaper than the Leica Q3s. It would have much of the same features, but a bit smaller EVF, meaning it would have image stabilization, and a titlable LCD. It would likely have better AF, but not as good MF. I think the lens on the RX1r is better than the lens on either Leica as well. I think just like the Leica Q's are pretty popular with a lot of folks, there would be a good market for a slightly smaller, better in some ways, and cheaper Sony that addresses much the same market. Maybe I am crazy, however, I am not the market for this type of camera. I like being able to change lenses. I am just speculating and I could easily be wrong.

Aug 01, 2025 at 05:17 PM

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p.44 #10 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

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I don't know. An A7Cr plus a GM 35 f/1.4 is over 1000g and much bigger than either of the Leica Q3's. I suspect that Sony could make the camera which I am suggesting with a body much like the A7Cr, but with a much smaller fixed lens like on the RX1R and keep it under 650g and be 10mm less wide than the Leica's and 5mm less tall. Such a camera would be a bit smaller, and cheaper than the Leica Q3s. It would have much of the same features, but a bit smaller EVF, meaning it would...Show more →

The Leica brand has a lot to do with the q3 popularity. Why would Sony want to make a camera that has competition when it can make a camera that has nothing equal at it�s size.

Aug 01, 2025 at 06:30 PM

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The Leica brand has a lot to do with the q3 popularity. Why would Sony want to make a camera that has competition when it can make a camera that has nothing equal at it�s size.

I think the RX1R III competes with the Leica Qs either way. We are talking a fixed lens luxury camera no matter whatever size it is. And the fact it sells for $5,000 makes it a luxury item. The question is what is the best feature set to compete. Size is one way to compete, but so is features. I think having expected features like IS and a tillable screen are more important than shrinking a camera from 650g to 500g. The camera I think would be better could beat the Leica Q's on size, price, lens, and AF. The Leica would be just a little bigger have a better EVF and better MF. I think the Sony stacks up pretty well in that competition, but less so if it also doesn't have IS and it has a fixed screen. My point is I would trade some of the size advantages for a few more features, but you are free to think otherwise.

Aug 01, 2025 at 06:54 PM

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p.44 #12 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

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I think the RX1R III competes with the Leica Qs either way. We are talking a fixed lens luxury camera no matter whatever size it is. And the fact it sells for $5,000 makes it a luxury item. The question is what is the best feature set to compete. Size is one way to compete, but so is features. I think having expected features like IS and a tillable screen are more important than shrinking a camera from 650g to 500g. The camera I think would be better could beat the Leica Q's on size, price, lens, and AF....Show more →

If someone wants all those features, there are many ways to get them. If someone wants a nice compact full frame, there is the RX1R series of cameras.

Personally an A7cr with a nice Sony 40mm competes very well against the Q3 at a fraction of the price.

Aug 01, 2025 at 07:04 PM

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p.44 #13 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

For those that get the III, I'm curious as to how the removal of the AF knob will work in practice.

I find myself going between two distinct AF modes: AF-S and single point, and AF-C and Area (face detect). The way I do this is by changing the AF area in the Fn menu, and flipping the knob between AF-S and AF-C. I guess you just now do both things in the Fn menu?

I *really* wish you could just define two different AF settings that you can change at the flip of the switch. I'd have one setting as AF-S / single point and the other as AF-C / Area. I think the new OM-3 does this if I remember correctly.

Aug 01, 2025 at 07:04 PM

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p.44 #14 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

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If someone wants all those features, there are many ways to get them. If someone wants a nice compact full frame, there is the RX1R series of cameras.

Personally an A7cr with a nice Sony 40mm competes very well against the Q3 at a fraction of the price.

Let's compare:

Leica Q3 43 - 43mm f/2 lens, 772g, 5.8 million dot EVF, 1.8 million dot 3" tillable LCD, lens based IS, AF and an excellent implementation of MF, MFD of 26.5 cm with .25X magnification, 60 ish MP sensor.

Sony A7Cr with 40mm f/2.5 G lens, 688g, 2.4 million dot EVF, 1.0 million dot 3" tillable LCD, IBIS, excellent AF and good implementation of MF, MFD of 25cm with .23X magnification, 60 ish MP sensor.

So the Sony is 84g lighter and has better AF, but a 2/3rd of a stop slower lens a much lower res EVF, much lower res LCD. Is the Sony a better value? Sure, but is it a better setup? Well you have to care an awful lot about that 84g and AF, to give up the better viewing experience and clearly better lens of the Leica. To me it isn't close. The Leica is clearly a better setup. The Sony a better value and at the price point of considering the Leica (and the Sony RX1R III for that matter) value doesn't really come into play.

Now let's add the RX1R III - 35 f/2 lens, 500g, 2.4 million dot EVF, 1.0 million dot 3" fixed LCD, no IS, excellent AF and a weak implementation of MF, MFD 20cm with .26X magnification, 60 ish MP sensor.

The Sony now wins on size being 272g lighter and AF, and arguably wins on the lens, but clearly loses on the EVF, LCD, IS, and MF. To me it isn't competing that well. My take is that a more modest win on size and the prevention of the clear losses in LCD and IS would compete better. Again, YMMV, and probably does.

All these setups have pretty much the same excellent sensor and quite good close focus performance. If you wanted a one lens solution they all have some strengths, but for a luxury product which sells for over $5,000 I don't think the RX1R III competes very well.

Aug 01, 2025 at 07:44 PM

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p.44 #15 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

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Let's compare:

Leica Q3 43 - 43mm f/2 lens, 772g, 5.8 million dot EVF, 1.8 million dot 3" tillable LCD, lens based IS, AF and an excellent implementation of MF, MFD of 26.5 cm with .25X magnification, 60 ish MP sensor.

Sony A7Cr with 40mm f/2.5 G lens, 688g, 2.4 million dot EVF, 1.0 million dot 3" tillable LCD, IBIS, excellent AF and good implementation of MF, MFD of 25cm with .23X magnification, 60 ish MP sensor.

So the Sony is 84g lighter and has better AF, but a 2/3rd of a stop slower lens a much lower res EVF, much lower...Show more →

if you aren't interested in buying a fixed lens camera than your preferences probably don't reflect the market. i'm not interested in the leica q because i can just put any number of lenses i like better on my a7cii and have a smaller package. i would rather use cv 40/1.2 than the q43 and i would rather use the g28 than the q28, but different people will have different lens preferences. rx1 has two big advantages: 1) it is significantly smaller than any other 35mm setup, 2) the lens is better than any other 35mm (imho). making it the same size as an ILC takes away one of its biggest advantages imo.

Aug 01, 2025 at 08:30 PM

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p.44 #16 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

sebboh wrote:
if you aren't interested in buying a fixed lens camera than your preferences probably don't reflect the market. i'm not interested in the leica q because i can just put any number of lenses i like better on my a7cii and have a smaller package. i would rather use cv 40/1.2 than the q43 and i would rather use the g28 than the q28, but different people will have different lens preferences. rx1 has two big advantages: 1) it is significantly smaller than any other 35mm setup, 2) the lens is better than any other 35mm (imho). making it the...Show more →

Yes, the combination of the smallest full frame camera along with one of the best lenses coupled with great AF is what the rx1r3 is all about. It might not win a speck sheet comparison�but if one values compact, image quality and AF�there is no competition. I personally don�t need a high resolution lcd�the menu will look the same and with great AF, I only need the viewfinder for composition which does not need ultra high resolution. Ibis would be nice, but the vast majority of my subjects are moving so ibis would not make any difference.

Aug 01, 2025 at 08:38 PM

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p.44 #17 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

To me Sony seems to be trying to stay consistent with the original RX1R, adding some things, sacrificing other things, etc with a goal of trying to stay very close to the size and weight of prior generations.

The RX1R predates the Q AFAIK. I don't think Sony is trying to compete with anything, whether thats good or bad. It seems to me they were more focused on evolving the vision that originated with the RX1R.

Aug 01, 2025 at 08:48 PM

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p.44 #18 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

sebboh wrote:
if you aren't interested in buying a fixed lens camera than your preferences probably don't reflect the market. i'm not interested in the leica q because i can just put any number of lenses i like better on my a7cii and have a smaller package. i would rather use cv 40/1.2 than the q43 and i would rather use the g28 than the q28, but different people will have different lens preferences. rx1 has two big advantages: 1) it is significantly smaller than any other 35mm setup, 2) the lens is better than any other 35mm (imho). making it the...Show more →

I agree about the lens being a big advantage and I agree that I probably don't reflect the market. I even agree with you about the Q3 cameras and not being interested in them because I can use lenses at those focal lengths I like better. I have tried to make it clear my views may not and probably don't reflect the market. Still, I am intrigued and always have been by the lens from the RX1R III and I can't help feeling that I would be a lot more drawn to a camera with that lens that was more like the Q3, a bit bigger with fewer compromises. Again I may not and probably don't reflect the market, but given the reaction to this camera I am not sure that putting that lens on a really small camera with lots of compromises will capture the market either. Perhaps it will. We will see.

Aug 01, 2025 at 09:47 PM

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p.44 #19 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

tsdevine wrote:
To me Sony seems to be trying to stay consistent with the original RX1R, adding some things, sacrificing other things, etc with a goal of trying to stay very close to the size and weight of prior generations.

The RX1R predates the Q AFAIK. I don't think Sony is trying to compete with anything, whether thats good or bad. It seems to me they were more focused on evolving the vision that originated with the RX1R.

They clearly designed it to be ultra small. It can't be a coincidence it is exactly 1 lb without the battery and exactly 500g with the battery. Those had to be design targets and important ones for them to hit them bang on. And yes, the RX1R predates the Q, but I have to think the success and expansion of the Q line played some role in Sony's decision to make a version III after so many years and also may have played some role in allowing the price to be so high.

Aug 01, 2025 at 09:54 PM

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p.44 #20 · Official: Sony RX1R III Digital Camera announced!

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I agree about the lens being a big advantage and I agree that I probably don't reflect the market. I even agree with you about the Q3 cameras and not being interested in them because I can use lenses at those focal lengths I like better. I have tried to make it clear my views may not and probably don't reflect the market. Still, I am intrigued and always have been by the lens from the RX1R III and I can't help feeling that I would be a lot more drawn to a camera with that lens that was...Show more →

i don't think there is a big market to capture. high priced fixed lens cameras are a niche item that only a small group of people will ever buy. the question is what is that those people willing to buy a fixed lens camera are looking for. i'm guessing it's not a camera just like their ILC but with a lens they can't take off. i would guess there are two camps (1) one who wants the smallest thing that can work and (2) one that wants a simplified (classic) user experience with the best optics around. i think leica has a clear knowhow advantage on 2 and sony has a clear knowhow advantage on 1. sony seems unable to build a camera that doesn't feel like a computer and leica doesn't seem able to miniaturize electronics very well. leica also has a brand name advantage for telling people they have made a purist camera with the best possible lens. personally, i think sony has a better lens and i think they could sell more rx1riiis if they didn't make it any bigger but made it feel more like a luxury item (give the lens a real focus ring and physical distance scale!) and gave it a better a more retro camera UI (i could totally be wrong).

Aug 01, 2025 at 10:44 PM

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