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p.10 #1 · Leica M EV1


Leicarumors suggested 3 possible announcement dates for the M11-V / M-V:

April 4th
May 3rd
"in the Fall"

Given there was no news on this lately, it seems April 4th is rather unlikely?
I hope it's May 3rd then, really keen to see their MF implementation.

In the meantime, my GAS has been quenched (for now) by ordering an M-P 240 in nice condition



Apr 01, 2025 at 06:16 AM
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p.10 #2 · Leica M EV1


3 May is the 100th anniversary of Leica.


Apr 01, 2025 at 08:08 AM
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p.10 #3 · Leica M EV1


fjablo wrote:
Leicarumors suggested 3 possible announcement dates for the M11-V / M-V:

April 4th
May 3rd
"in the Fall"

Given there was no news on this lately, it seems April 4th is rather unlikely?
I hope it's May 3rd then, really keen to see their MF implementation.

In the meantime, my GAS has been quenched (for now) by ordering an M-P 240 in nice condition


just to be helpful, I've tried Tums for my GAS and it never seems to help



Apr 01, 2025 at 09:00 AM
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p.10 #4 · Leica M EV1


Well, it wasn‘t April 4th. Any updates for May 3rd?


Apr 15, 2025 at 04:37 PM
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p.10 #5 · Leica M EV1


There is a Leica event happening in New York City from May 1 to May 3, 2025, called "100 Years of Leica: Witness to a Century".

This celebration marks the 100th anniversary of the Leica I camera and will be held in the Meatpacking District. Not sure if new Leica gear will be introduced.



Apr 15, 2025 at 04:43 PM
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p.10 #6 · Leica M EV1


Oh, I bet new gear will be introduced.


Apr 15, 2025 at 06:42 PM
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p.10 #7 · Leica M EV1




stgrove wrote:
Oh, I bet new gear will be introduced.



This celebration had been touring the World this year. In no other city where it has been held the only new gear has been the limited edition M11 for that city.

I don't expect NYC to be different.



Apr 15, 2025 at 07:08 PM
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p.10 #8 · Leica M EV1


This is just a guess, but I wonder if Leica originally had a specific date regarding both the announcement and release of the pending M11-V, but with the situation of the tariffs and how they might affect pricing and distribution in various markets and the current uncertainty of how these tariffs will be implemented, that Leica decided to delay the announcement and take a wait and see attitude at the moment.

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Apr 15, 2025 at 10:56 PM
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p.10 #9 · Leica M EV1


stgrove wrote:
Oh, I bet new gear will be introduced.


Q3M

Q3 43 M



Apr 15, 2025 at 10:58 PM
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p.10 #10 · Leica M EV1


DandA123 wrote:
This is just a guess, but I wonder if Leica originally had a specific date regarding both the announcement and release of the pending M11-V, but with the situation of the tariffs and how they might affect pricing and distribution in various markets and the current uncertainty of how these tariffs will be implemented, that Leica decided to delay the announcement and take a wait and see attitude at the moment.


The world is bigger than the US. They could announce gear while not making it available in the US.



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DandA123 wrote:
This is just a guess, but I wonder if Leica originally had a specific date regarding both the announcement and release of the pending M11-V, but with the situation of the tariffs and how they might affect pricing and distribution in various markets and the current uncertainty of how these tariffs will be implemented, that Leica decided to delay the announcement and take a wait and see attitude at the moment.


Agree the world is much bigger than 20% of the Leica market called the US.

That said Europe wants to go to zero-zero so tariffs might even be less, especially if the old lens tariff is taken away.



Apr 16, 2025 at 07:15 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
The world is bigger than the US. They could announce gear while not making it available in the US.


The US is too important to dismiss. If Leica management is similar to all the board rooms I am aware of, how to handle the tariffs is occupying much of managment's time right now.

Leica is holding it's US events, not canceling them. I imagine they are also engaging with there Government and asking that the tariff issue gets dealt with as soon as possible. Rather than not providing products to the US market, I am guessing they are heavily front loading inventory in the US prior to tariffs taking effect. That is what most US importers are doing. By the way, most US exporters are doing the same in the opposite direction. First quarter sales numbers are going to be skewed heavily by all of this activity.



Apr 16, 2025 at 07:58 AM
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p.10 #13 · Leica M EV1


I think those Leica events are general 100-year anniversary events, independent of any announcements.

Not sure what a lot of governments can do, since in many cases there are no tariffs against the US in place or drugs/people aren't flowing in.

Leica is probably one company that could price their goods whichever way they want and still sell them.

At the same time, why would any company forego 80% of their market (if the US indeed accounts for 20%).



Apr 16, 2025 at 09:53 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
The US is too important to dismiss. If Leica management is similar to all the board rooms I am aware of, how to handle the tariffs is occupying much of managment's time right now.

Leica is holding it's US events, not canceling them. I imagine they are also engaging with there Government and asking that the tariff issue gets dealt with as soon as possible. Rather than not providing products to the US market, I am guessing they are heavily front loading inventory in the US prior to tariffs taking effect. That is what most US importers are doing. By the
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I'm expecting an executive order that resurrects Kodachrome; this is sure to redress balance of payments / tariffs issues ;-)



Apr 16, 2025 at 10:15 AM
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p.10 #15 · Leica M EV1


johnvanr wrote:
I think those Leica events are general 100-year anniversary events, independent of any announcements
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Agree


johnvanr wrote:
Not sure what a lot of governments can do, since in many cases there are no tariffs against the US in place or drugs/people aren't flowing in.



Simple, the EU can agree to a set of reciprocal tariffs, eliminate restrictive trade regulations, and make a deal or forget the U.S. markets. That is the choice before them.

Cameras are a side issue. Leica can afford to absorb a good part of the tariffs. They must keep U.S. sales up to a level that supports it's large infrastructure i, company owned stores, employees, U.S. headquarters, and U.S. dealer network. Lots of ways to lower the impact.

Lower the price you charge your U.S. entity to account for the tariffs. Continue to sell at or slightly above your current level. The public will likely accept a small increase which can effectively be blamed on the current U.S. Administration. If this is successful it will show up in increased profits for the U.S. entity which can be repatriated to the parent company tariff free.

If a new product is going to be introduced immediately just send the entire pre-production to the U.S. and front load inventory at the pre tariff prices. The fill in the rest of the World as you manufacture. Everyone is accustomed to back orders on new products with Leica anyway.

Like it or not, the U.S. is a huge driver of International Trade and must be accomodated. It will be worked out. No choice.



Apr 16, 2025 at 10:36 AM
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p.10 #16 · Leica M EV1


1bwana1 wrote:
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Agree



Simple, the EU can agree to a set of reciprocal tariffs, eliminate restrictive trade regulations, and make a deal or forget the U.S. markets. That is the choice before them.

Cameras are a side issue. Leica can afford to absorb a good part of the tariffs. They must keep U.S. sales up to a level that supports it's large infrastructure i, company owned stores, employees, U.S. headquarters, and U.S. dealer network. Lots of ways to lower the impact.

Lower the price you charge your U.S. entity to account for the tariffs. Continue to sell at or slightly above your current
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Which reciprocal tariffs? Which restrictions? Those apply to both sides. Base tariffs are negligible. The EU isn’t screwing over the US, just like the US wasn’t screwing over the EU.



Apr 16, 2025 at 10:54 AM
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p.10 #17 · Leica M EV1


Let's try to keep this thread on topic and not turn every discussion into a conversation about tariffs. Thanks!


Apr 16, 2025 at 10:55 AM
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p.10 #18 · Leica M EV1


RustyBug wrote:
Q3M

Q3 43 M


You could be right, but why introduce new Q models on an M type of celebration day?



Apr 16, 2025 at 01:28 PM
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p.10 #19 · Leica M EV1


Fred Miranda wrote:
Let's try to keep this thread on topic and not turn every discussion into a conversation about tariffs. Thanks!


Love to, but you can’t ignore the fact that they have an impact on every single piece of new gear right now. That’s not politics, that’s just a fact.



Apr 16, 2025 at 02:02 PM
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p.10 #20 · Leica M EV1


johnvanr wrote:
Love to, but you can’t ignore the fact that they have an impact on every single piece of new gear right now. That’s not politics, that’s just a fact.


Incorrect fact though since nothing new for 90 days while negotiations are underway. You list yourself as being located in NL/ Austria/Spain which is all in common market so why worry?



Apr 16, 2025 at 02:26 PM
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