pmeheut wrote:
Sure because right now, democracy is working so well in the US.
The real reason for the Second amendment is that is was written more than two centuries ago by people who were afraid of George III.
Nowadays, if the US government wants to abuse power, it just needs to do so: the majority of the population voted for it.
And if said government want to suppress an insurrection, we've seen in other countries what happens: the insurgents have guns, the government has tanks, planes, bombs, drones, Internet control, media control. The founding fathers never thought of that.
In a relative scale the Government here in Italy is way more intrusive than in the US. Startingly so. I would never comply with this level of taxation and intrusion back in the US. I would simply refuse.
Governments are toppled all of the time by popular revolutions. That will never change. Don't forget that the core principle of launching a change of Government is to force the Government to over react. The people in the institutions you mention then begin to switch sides along with a sufficient number of he general population. Historically, Governments fall when somewhere between 15% and 20% become active in a movement to change it. In fact, the U.S. achieved independence from Britain with only 3% to 15% actively participating in the revolution.
The Second Amendment is as relevant and effective today as it was on the day it was written.
But let's be clear, I am not advocating for an insurrection to change any Government. I am only discussing the relevance in current times of the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment.
tzhang4284 wrote:
If Leica put some more effort into the design, it wouldn't look so weird - e.g. Leica D-Lux 8 and Q3s look normal by moving the red dot to the top corner but seems like they took the very minimal step possible
Actually Leica has built cameras before with no viewfinder window - the Leica MDa being the best example. Even the early Leicas like the I had a little viewfinder on top of the body. I agree, it's a tad weird, but hey, people like uncluttered!
So my EV1 showed up today and so far I like it very much. I will not get rid of my real rangefinder Ms, but this camera definitely fills a need for me. I can now use my 18, 21 and 135 without a finder, I find the focusing straightforward and everything else is basically an M11. First trip with it coming up to Munich and Prague.
By the way, I am not a fan of the new Leica packaging. The body shows up in a cardboard cradle, No plastic to reduce friction, no foam, etc. I get they are trying to be more environmentally conscious, but not very premium.
Forgot an added benefit of the EV1 - you can use polarizing filters on the lenses now and of course see the impact in the EVF. I tried it today and bada bing.
crf59 wrote:
Forgot an added benefit of the EV1 - you can use polarizing filters on the lenses now and of course see the impact in the EVF. I tried it today and bada bing.
I can clear see benefits of EV1 for wide open shooting for any focal or shooting any focal between 10~28, 50~xxx.
Many times, I missed seeing DOF using 28/35/50 wide open, especially background blur is part of images. (I know, I know, many will have something to say about this)
However, I would assume stop down shooting can be a negative compare EV1 to M rangefinder. I guess we can always use zoom in to focus. I really want to have it too. Just there are too many systems to fight limited shooting time and budget.
This camera is definitely not for hardcore Rangefinder street shooter but for new generation or anyone who like manual focus, small footprint and enjoying using Leica for traveling, landscape, architecture etc.. this makes a lot of sense.
zhangyue wrote:
However, I would assume stop down shooting can be a negative compare EV1 to M rangefinder. I guess we can always use zoom in to focus.
This issue with stopped down focusing accuracy would be addressed if Leica can incorporate PD focus information from the sensor in the form of an EVF focus aid to indicate when one reaches optimum focus. For the time being this is definitely still an advantage of the traditional rangefinder M.
PD with focus confirmation of manual focus lenses works really well on the Nikon ZR* .
I bought this, and will hold off updating my M10 until Leica introduces something similar.
*( Nikon has imposed an artificial firmware limitation, requiring electronic lens communication for this to work. I bought Voigtländer Z native 40/1.2 lens. Hopefully one day Nikon will allow focus confirmation with all dumb lenses; after all the ZR is targeting cine where pure mechanical lenses predominate, including PL mount ).
FrozenInTime wrote:
*( Nikon has imposed an artificial firmware limitation, requiring electronic lens communication for this to work. I bought Voigtländer Z native 40/1.2 lens. Hopefully one day Nikon will allow focus confirmation with all dumb lenses; after all the ZR is targeting cine where pure mechanical lenses predominate, including PL mount ).
This is the same on my Canon and Hasselblad cameras. You need electronically coupled lenses for focus confirmation to work.
For my understanding, is there any brand that does better?
And again for my understanding, even with non electronically coupled lenses (or adapters) the Nikon Zf is able to detect faces and eyes. Is this correct and is Nikon the only one that does this currently?
I've been following this thread, but I dont seem to see anyone talk about the close focus abilities of some of Leica's newer lenses... wouldnt that be alot more useful on the M-EV1?
crazeazn wrote:
I've been following this thread, but I dont seem to see anyone talk about the close focus abilities of some of Leica's newer lenses... wouldnt that be alot more useful on the M-EV1?
Absolutely it is. I did experiment with this on my 50mm Summilux ASPH FLE CF II. Worked perfectly.
And several makers have quickly moved to take advantage of the EV equipped camera and its future variants, with sub-0.7m MFDs (Cosina, Thypoch and Leica itself are examples, others too).
EVFs will democratize focal length usage, among many other significant changes (too many for the liking of the readership at this time). EVFs are revolutionary, not incremental.
philip_pj wrote:
EVFs will democratize focal length usage, among many other significant changes (too many for the liking of the readership at this time). EVFs are revolutionary, not incremental.
I've been using a 15mm since the Leica M had LiveView, M240 I think. And a 135mm too.
I also use it or the Visoflex for precise framing, short distance, 90mm in low light.
I'm not sure the EVF is revolutionary in a world where I can have it on any other camera with AF, zooms, IBIS, etc. Including very small ones.
Even works with film Ms. But of course, this is not convenient. One can also use any filter with a visoflex or using LV.
Yes, I've used filters for years for Ms and with the Visoflex 1 and 2, but it's not the same. I really hated having the Visoflex wart on top of my camera. Live view in bright sunlight was challenging at best. This is a better solution.
And nobody said it was revolutionary, but it's the best M bodied solution if you want to use all the M lenses without compromises or having to use accessories. I'll take an M any day over my AF bodies (including my SL2 and SL3). It's personal preference and it's good to have options.
crf59 wrote:
And nobody said it was revolutionary
Are you sure?
philip_pj wrote:
EVFs are revolutionary, not incremental.
And as much as I like modern AF/IBIS/mirrorless cameras with great sensors, I do not find them revolutionary except maybe for sports and wildlife.
Some of the greatest photography of history have been shot on film with MF cameras and different viewfinders.
pmeheut wrote:
And as much as I like modern AF/IBIS/mirrorless cameras with great sensors, I do not find them revolutionary except maybe for sports and wildlife.
Some of the greatest photography of history have been shot on film with MF cameras and different viewfinders.
Like you said "Some of the greatest photography of history have been shot on film with MF cameras and different viewfinders." The operative word here being "history".
The definition of "revolutionary" is: involving or causing a complete or dramatic change. EVFs certainly have done that.
I think if we step back and look at the way the industry has changed during the years of the 2000s we will see that the the two "revolutionary" technologies that shaped how cameras are built, and used today are the move to digital, followed by the move to mirrorless cameras with EVFs.
I'll let digital stand on is own as this "revolutionary" development is well recognized and acknowledged. But if you look at camera offerings from October 2013 when Sony introduced the first FF EVF driven mirrorless camera until now it is clear that the EVF driven cameras have almost 100% changed the way cameras are designed, built, used, and is the cornerstone of new performance benchmarks. Go try and buy a current model optical view finder camera today. They all but don't exists except for Leica's one line of M cameras (which are now available EVF), and a very few heritage based film cameras. Primarily used for the novelty of it.
In my book that qualifies as "revolutionary" in the same way that electronic fuel and engine management software "revolutionized" the internal combustion engine and the auto industry. Yes, there are still a few mechanical carbureted engine cars available, but people also still ride horses. Again, primarily for the novelty of it.
One can play semantics as much as he wants over the word "revolutionary" but that won't change the facts on the ground.
You talk about technology and market. I was talking about images.
Show me a better picture, something which will make me feel something stronger, touch me deeper or stimulate me because it was shot with an EVF and we will talk.
BTW, I am at the Richter exhibit in Paris at the moment and some of the paintings are so close to photos that it is hard to say that they are not. And amongst them, some are so good I would steal them to look at them daily if not for the security and my own moral code. But as Cartier Bresson said, you can practice photography without a camera. EVF are just something convenient sometimes, not so much in other circumstances.
