I had high hopes for the hybrid in the X-Pro3 years back ... but, in the end it didn't deliver the way I wanted it too.
But, nail in the coffin for me with my X-Pro3 was the number of times it locked up on me. Mounting my little M Elmarit 28/2.8 on it was sweet ... hitting the sweet spot of the lens, for a 42mm equivalent delivered excellent for me. But, after one too many operational bugs, I was done with it. Form factor, I like it well enough. So, if someone else had better operational experience than I did ... and liked the viewfinder ... I can get the allure.
That was the tipping point that pushed me into Leica, even deeper, for using the M glass on M bodies.
pmeheut wrote:
Not at all. I'm quite happy with my gear and consider it far above my needs. I'm just saying that in a perfect world, I would like an EV1 + IBIS + better focusing aid + optional AF as a complement of the M11. Or even better, all of this and an hybrid viewfinder.
It would probably have no impact on my images, at least the best of them but as long as I'm describing the poney I want for Christmas, I can go wild.
RustyBug wrote:
I had high hopes for the hybrid in the X-Pro3 years back ... but, in the end it didn't deliver the way I wanted it too.
But, nail in the coffin for me with my X-Pro3 was the number of times it locked up on me. Mounting my little M Elmarit 28/2.8 on it was sweet ... hitting the sweet spot of the lens, for a 42mm equivalent delivered excellent for me. But, after one too many operational bugs, I was done with it. Form factor, I like it well enough. So, if someone else had better operational experience than I did ... and liked the viewfinder ... I can get the allure.
That was the tipping point that pushed me into Leica, even deeper, for using the M glass on M bodies....Show more →
That's interesting. I wonder if what you experienced was more widespread, or limited to certain setups...like third-party adapters or X-mount lenses. I used the X-Pro3 for three years and never ran into any freezes or lockups. Maybe those issues showed up early on, right after release, before Fuji ironed out the bugs? I bought mine after it had been out for a while.
Fred Miranda wrote:
That's interesting. I wonder if what you experienced was more widespread, or limited to certain setups...like third-party adapters or X-mount lenses. I used the X-Pro3 for three years and never ran into any freezes or lockups. Maybe those issues showed up early on, right after release, before Fuji ironed out the bugs? I bought mine after it had been out for a while.
It was pretty early after release, so they might have fixed some bugs, etc. after I let mine go. But ... it was the catalyst that "pushed" me further into Leica. So, there's that.
Can someone who owns one test if it the EVF refresh rate/view at high ISOs is manageable? I was trying to use my SL2 in a dim environment with my 28 1.5 and it was terribly choppy.
RustyBug wrote:
It was pretty early after release, so they might have fixed some bugs, etc. after I let mine go. But ... it was the catalyst that "pushed" me further into Leica. So, there's that.
I completely agree about the megapixels. I have even been nervous about upgrading my M10s to an M11 because I fear 60MP might be too much (although I am close to breaking down).
I am torn between thinking that the M EV1 is pointless for me considering I own an SL3, Q2, and M cameras, or that it would be a nice way compliment to my M10s and I can sell my Q2 and SL3 (I don’t own any L mount lenses - only M mount anyway). I need to reduce the number of cameras I have. Or so my wife keeps telling me 😂
I think if it had better focus assist features, it would be a no-brainer. But keep in mind i have not even held the camera, let alone tested it.
bkdubya wrote:
I completely agree about the megapixels. I have even been nervous about upgrading my M10s to an M11 because I fear 60MP might be too much (although I am close to breaking down).
Well, remember that you can select 18, 36 or 60 MP with the M11. Using 36 results (as you might expect) in a file size about 60% of the 60 MP file size. There are no weird compromises doing it either.
crf59 wrote:
Well, remember that you can select 18, 36 or 60 MP with the M11. Using 36 results (as you might expect) in a file size about 60% of the 60 MP file size. There are no weird compromises doing it either.
I've seen some artefacts at 36 Mpix. Nothing to worry about but I've chosen to stay at 60 Mpix all the time because I do not shoot that many pictures so I can live with it.
I do not need it, in fact I was quite happy with lowest resolutions but it is not a problem to have such a high resolution either.
bkdubya wrote:
I am torn between thinking that the M EV1 is pointless for me considering I own an SL3, Q2, and M cameras, or that it would be a nice way compliment to my M10s and I can sell my Q2 and SL3 (I don’t own any L mount lenses - only M mount anyway). I need to reduce the number of cameras I have. Or so my wife keeps telling me 😂
I think if it had better focus assist features, it would be a no-brainer. But keep in mind i have not even held the camera, let alone tested it.
Why did you get the SL3 if you only use M mount lenses?
I mainly enjoy shooting with the SL system when I'm using Leica's APO SL autofocus lenses. No other AF lenses offer this level of image quality and correction, and for me, they are the only real reason to choose this system. I did occasionally use M lenses on it, like my ultra-wides, the Voigtlander 21mm f/1.4 Nokton, and the Leica 135mm APO.
I can see why the M EV1 would attract those who don't enjoy using a rangefinder but still want the character of M lenses. Many of these shooters may have been adapting to the SL or relying on the Visoflex before, and now they finally have a more natural option.
Desmolicious wrote:
Why did you get the SL3 if you only use M mount lenses?
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stgrove wrote:
My thoughts also.
More than a few have bought Leica SL, SL2, SL3 cameras to use exclusively with their Leica M lenses. Not unusual. There are potential advantages. I suspect some of the same will now consider the traditional rangefinder form factor with built in EVF, the new M EV1 too.
"Leica SL3 with M-mount Lenses: A Review
The Leica SL3 is a full-frame mirrorless camera designed to work seamlessly with Leica’s native L-mount lenses. However, one of its standout features is the ability to adapt Leica M-mount lenses, opening up a world of possibilities for photographers seeking the iconic Leica “look.”
Here’s a review of the SL3, focusing specifically on its performance with M-mount lenses:
-Image Quality: The SL3’s 60-megapixel BSI CMOS sensor delivers exceptional image quality, especially when paired with high-quality M-mount lenses. Sharpness, detail, and color rendition are outstanding, showcasing the true potential of these legendary optics.
-Manual Focus Assist: The SL3 is not just about exceptional image quality; it’s also about empowering photographers. It offers excellent features like focus peaking and magnification, making it a breeze with manual-focus M-mount lenses. The camera’s high-resolution EVF provides a clear view of the subject, aiding precise focusing and giving you complete control over your shots.
-High ISO Performance: One of the SL3’s key advantages is its high ISO performance. This feature allows you to use M-mount lenses even in the most challenging lighting conditions without compromising image quality. It’s a game-changer for photographers who often shoot in low-light environments.
-Build Quality: The SL3 is not just a camera; it’s a reliable companion. Its outstanding build quality, with a robust magnesium alloy body, ensures it can withstand the rigors of everyday use. Its weather sealing provides peace of mind, allowing you to focus on your photography even in inclement weather.
-Ergonomics: The SL3’s ergonomic design makes it comfortable to hold and operate, even with larger M-mount lenses. The controls are well-placed and intuitive, providing quick access to essential settings.
-Fast Aperture Advantage: One of the most compelling features when pairing fast M-mount lenses (e.g., Noctilux or Summilux) with the SL3 is the ability to shoot at incredibly high shutter speeds (up to 1/16000s) even in bright daylight without the need for an ND filter. Shooting at high shutter speeds creates creative possibilities, like using wide apertures for shallow depth-of-field effects in any lighting condition.
-Image Stabilization: The Leica SL3’s robust in-body image stabilization (IBIS) system, capable of compensating for up to 5.5 stops of camera shake, is particularly beneficial when using M-mount lenses. As these lenses traditionally lack stabilization, the SL3’s IBIS enables photographers to capture sharper handheld images in low-light conditions or with slower shutter speeds." – https://www.lpworkshops.com/leica-sl3-m-mount-lenses-review/
More than a few have bought Leica SL, SL2, SL3 cameras to use exclusively with their Leica M lenses. Not unusual. There are potential advantages. I suspect some of the same will now consider the traditional rangefinder form factor with built in EVF, the new M EV1 too.
"Leica SL3 with M-mount Lenses: A Review
The Leica SL3 is a full-frame mirrorless camera designed to work seamlessly with Leica’s native L-mount lenses. However, one of its standout features is the ability to adapt Leica M-mount lenses, opening up a world of possibilities for photographers seeking the iconic Leica “look.”
Here’s a review of the SL3, focusing specifically on its performance with M-mount lenses:
-Image Quality: The SL3’s 60-megapixel BSI CMOS sensor delivers exceptional image quality, especially when paired with high-quality M-mount lenses. Sharpness, detail, and color rendition are outstanding, showcasing the true potential of these legendary optics.
-Manual Focus Assist: The SL3 is not just about exceptional image quality; it’s also about empowering photographers. It offers excellent features like focus peaking and magnification, making it a breeze with manual-focus M-mount lenses. The camera’s high-resolution EVF provides a clear view of the subject, aiding precise focusing and giving you complete control over your shots.
-High ISO Performance: One of the SL3’s key advantages is its high ISO performance. This feature allows you to use M-mount lenses even in the most challenging lighting conditions without compromising image quality. It’s a game-changer for photographers who often shoot in low-light environments.
-Build Quality: The SL3 is not just a camera; it’s a reliable companion. Its outstanding build quality, with a robust magnesium alloy body, ensures it can withstand the rigors of everyday use. Its weather sealing provides peace of mind, allowing you to focus on your photography even in inclement weather.
-Ergonomics: The SL3’s ergonomic design makes it comfortable to hold and operate, even with larger M-mount lenses. The controls are well-placed and intuitive, providing quick access to essential settings.
-Fast Aperture Advantage: One of the most compelling features when pairing fast M-mount lenses (e.g., Noctilux or Summilux) with the SL3 is the ability to shoot at incredibly high shutter speeds (up to 1/16000s) even in bright daylight without the need for an ND filter. Shooting at high shutter speeds creates creative possibilities, like using wide apertures for shallow depth-of-field effects in any lighting condition.
-Image Stabilization: The Leica SL3’s robust in-body image stabilization (IBIS) system, capable of compensating for up to 5.5 stops of camera shake, is particularly beneficial when using M-mount lenses. As these lenses traditionally lack stabilization, the SL3’s IBIS enables photographers to capture sharper handheld images in low-light conditions or with slower shutter speeds." – https://www.lpworkshops.com/leica-sl3-m-mount-lenses-review/...Show more →
I get it.
I bought mine mainly for M use too, but soon realized AF lenses were a better option for my specific needs, even the Panasonic lenses. Mainly, IBIS and the tilting rear LCD will be a hard options to loose if one sells the SL3 for the EV1. If someone already has an M11 and SL3 then selling the SL3 and getting another MF M seems to limit your options. Why not spend $1k for the Viso2 just to see if using an EVF on an M11 is for you, unless to know you want the new camera?
I'm really interested in this camera. I had sold off my M gear foolishly as i had invested in a full Nikon Z kit, including a 600mm f/4. Reality is that I don't really have time right now to take exotic trips to Alaska and really doubt that I want to do that. I mean, I do like travel but I'm either with family or with friends on adventure motorcycling trips where I can't take a 600mm f/4 lens. I'm 59, so I would really need a diopter to focus well with an M body, but with super zoom in an EVF I would focus much more accurately or have more confidence as I have more positive identification of the focus (and the exposure). I'm more landscape and street than wildlife if I'm really honest with myself.
One day, I will figure out what kind of photographer I am and quit switching systems based on an itch for something new. Interested to know how you all get along with the camera.
One thing (among several) Leica got right was the size and weight differential - at 850 grams the SL3 fades as a harmonious complement to the svelte and light M lenses.
EV1 scales at 495 grams, so the SL3 forces you to carry an impost of 355 grams, or a full 72% more, just for the camera weight budget. That hurts. A vast array of M lenses weigh less that that.
And add 70 grams for a Leica adapter ($480), and your carry delta goes up to 425 grams, not far off a doubling. It might defeat the purpose for small camera/travel users. And it's weight you cannot remove, like a heavy lens after a session. Best to know these things.
A digital aeon ago, the first Sony a7r has a full half stop of dynamic range over the SL3 (surprised me too) at base ISO, while giving up a measly 0.3 stops at ISO 6400. Body size is also a huge issue for what many of us do. The practicalities matter.
This construction 'is not just about' is a sure tell of AI generated text, which helps explain the flowery prose that follows.
More than a few have bought Leica SL, SL2, SL3 cameras to use exclusively with their Leica M lenses. Not unusual. There are potential advantages. I suspect some of the same will now consider the traditional rangefinder form factor with built in EVF, the new M EV1 too.
"Leica SL3 with M-mount Lenses: A Review
The Leica SL3 is a full-frame mirrorless camera designed to work seamlessly with Leica’s native L-mount lenses. However, one of its standout features is the ability to adapt Leica M-mount lenses, opening up a world of possibilities for photographers seeking the iconic Leica “look.”
Here’s a review of the SL3, focusing specifically on its performance with M-mount lenses:
-Image Quality: The SL3’s 60-megapixel BSI CMOS sensor delivers exceptional image quality, especially when paired with high-quality M-mount lenses. Sharpness, detail, and color rendition are outstanding, showcasing the true potential of these legendary optics.
-Manual Focus Assist: The SL3 is not just about exceptional image quality; it’s also about empowering photographers. It offers excellent features like focus peaking and magnification, making it a breeze with manual-focus M-mount lenses. The camera’s high-resolution EVF provides a clear view of the subject, aiding precise focusing and giving you complete control over your shots.
-High ISO Performance: One of the SL3’s key advantages is its high ISO performance. This feature allows you to use M-mount lenses even in the most challenging lighting conditions without compromising image quality. It’s a game-changer for photographers who often shoot in low-light environments.
-Build Quality: The SL3 is not just a camera; it’s a reliable companion. Its outstanding build quality, with a robust magnesium alloy body, ensures it can withstand the rigors of everyday use. Its weather sealing provides peace of mind, allowing you to focus on your photography even in inclement weather.
-Ergonomics: The SL3’s ergonomic design makes it comfortable to hold and operate, even with larger M-mount lenses. The controls are well-placed and intuitive, providing quick access to essential settings.
-Fast Aperture Advantage: One of the most compelling features when pairing fast M-mount lenses (e.g., Noctilux or Summilux) with the SL3 is the ability to shoot at incredibly high shutter speeds (up to 1/16000s) even in bright daylight without the need for an ND filter. Shooting at high shutter speeds creates creative possibilities, like using wide apertures for shallow depth-of-field effects in any lighting condition.
-Image Stabilization: The Leica SL3’s robust in-body image stabilization (IBIS) system, capable of compensating for up to 5.5 stops of camera shake, is particularly beneficial when using M-mount lenses. As these lenses traditionally lack stabilization, the SL3’s IBIS enables photographers to capture sharper handheld images in low-light conditions or with slower shutter speeds." – https://www.lpworkshops.com/leica-sl3-m-mount-lenses-review/...Show more →
That is AI’s reasoning, not the question posed to bkdubya.
I bought mine mainly for M use too, but soon realized AF lenses were a better option for my specific needs, even the Panasonic lenses. Mainly, IBIS and the tilting rear LCD will be a hard options to loose if one sells the SL3 for the EV1. If someone already has an M11 and SL3 then selling the SL3 and getting another MF M seems to limit your options. Why not spend $1k for the Viso2 just to see if using an EVF on an M11 is for you, unless to know you want the new camera?
Someone else wrote that article, but like you, and as an SL owner myself "I get it too" The SL APO primes brought me to the SL camera system. But I quickly discovered, the SL cameras make a very good platform for tiny Leica M lenses too. I do however prefer the M11 rangefinder for my Leica M lenses, not so much for the overall tiny M kit but rather for the rangefinder experience.
Many Leica M photographers have been hankering for something like the M EV1 for years. Many also complained for various reasons about the VisoFlex/EVF attachment too. For these reasons I think the M EV1 will sell and probably sell many more than the M11-D ( my guess), even with its current basic no-frills Leica MF aids. I imagine some of the M EV1 sales will go to some that currently use the larger but very capable SL system exclusively for their M lenses. I see the appeal for both adjustable EVF eyesight accommodations as well as a much lighter load in an M camera form factor with native M-mount. Leica already tried the M camera + VisoFlex approach for some years now, clearly more than a few customers were not convinced.
Desmolicious wrote:
That is AI’s reasoning, not the question posed to bkdubya.
"Why did you get the SL3 if you only use M mount lenses?"
Apologies, maybe I didn't understand the question correctly. Also, no idea if the article I posted was AI generated or not. But as an SL owner I felt the points he listed in that article salient even if there were some errors.
