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p.75 #1 · Leica M EV1


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Nov 02, 2025 at 10:45 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
But, it was usable with the Visoflex?

I still don't understand how it is that folks can be fine with using an M body, but now that an M body doesn't have IBIS, it is suddenly unsuitable. While that may not be your specific use case (per se), but I see folks that have used M's, decry the lack of IBIS as a deal breaker.

I mean, it seems that the ability to use a faster shutter speed or higher ISO (or both) minimizes the need for handholding an M (use case) in sub 1/30 range for many things. Not the least
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I'll attempt to shed some light on my own reasons... Firstly, I have owned and used (extensively) several M camera's. In each case I found the RF method of focussing limiting for my use - and only my use. I prefer lenses wider than 28mm, the use of zooms such as my R 28-90mm, and longer focal lengths, fast 50's etc...

Obviously many people do use the M RF system successfully, and I am happy for them. I moved to the SL system to accommodate my needs, which it has done quite well. But, I would like a smaller, native M mount system that offers the same flexibility, if I need it.

Let's face it, in 2025, EVF's are very capable for critical focus. I was excited to hear about the M EVF-1, and I did plan on, and may still purchase it. I do consider the things that I previously mentioned as essential requirements in a modern camera. I also feel that your logic of "if you don't like it, move on" denies the fact that this is an entirely new camera from Leica. One that, by its nature is more flexible than a traditional M Rangefinder. Also, discussion of a new introduction, and identifying its perceived shortcomings is one of the points of these forums.

While I feel that Leica has possibly missed the boat for me, there will be many who purchase, and enjoy the EVF-1. I still feel that an EVF-1 with IBIS, a tilt screen, and better battery life would be a very compelling camera... If I was used to a Q3, which has these advantages, I am not sure that the EVF-1 would be the upgrade path that I would choose.




Nov 02, 2025 at 01:19 PM
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p.75 #3 · Leica M EV1


Planetwide wrote:

denies the fact that this is an entirely new camera from Leica.



That's likely where we are fundamentally in disagreement. Imo, this is an M ... and a "mid-cycle" iteration, at that ... that has been retrofitted with an EVF.

If it were truly an entirely new camera from Leica ... then, it wouldn't be an M at all.

That said, I appreciate you are coming from it with the perspective of expectation that it is indeed an "entirely new camera" ... I just don't see it that way.


I mean, when Leica brings out the -D (sans any LCD Display), it is still an M. What's the difference between having a "variant" without any LCD display vs. having a variant with an EVF viewfinder. My perspective is that both are variants of an M, thus both are M's, moreover than entirely new cameras.

Thus, the name "M EV1" says it is an M ... because it is an M (or kinda / sorta, supposed to be).




Nov 02, 2025 at 01:23 PM
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p.75 #4 · Leica M EV1


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That's likely where we are fundamentally in disagreement. Imo, this is an M ... and a "mid-cycle" iteration, at that ... that has been retrofitted with an EVF.

If it were truly an entirely new camera from Leica ... then, it wouldn't be an M at all.

That said, I appreciate you are coming from it with the perspective of expectation that it is indeed an "entirely new camera" ... I just don't see it that way.

I mean, when Leica brings out the -D (sans any LCD Display), it is still an M. What's the difference between having a "variant" without any
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A1, AIV, A5, R1, R3, R5 they are all using a particular naming convention. The "M" is no different, in so much, that the suffix denotes the model. Whether the M-EVF 1 is a "true M" has been debated ad nauseam on another forum. Personally, I don't really understand the resistance to the EVF, but it really doesn't matter what any of us think. Leica will do what Leica will do, and it's up to the individual to like and buy the product. I am dissapointed, and I'll probably soldier on with my SL3. I'll try the EVF-1 and we will see if I can live with its limitations. If not, there will be an SL4.



Nov 02, 2025 at 01:53 PM
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p.75 #5 · Leica M EV1


60 Hz versus 120Hz in my SL3 use.
For me switching to 120Hz on my SL3 with adapted lenses I find it smooths out the experience with less jittery movements due to my hand movements, most probably due to IBIS.

This got me to thinking that the EV1 might not help me that much with the above movements.

That said, with my M use, I just keep the SS at 500 even with 35 and 50mm lenses (M glass). With 90mm I prefer 500 to 1000.With longer R glass on tripod 1000 minimum. Lately been using long R glass on the SL3 as IBIS has big benefits for me.

I must assume the electronic stabilization the Viso2 uses lets me shoot without problem.

Thinking Viso2 and the EV-1. If Leica had put a flip out screen say like on the Q3 for 90 degree shooting, then best of both worlds and no advantage of the Viso2 anywhere, thus advantage EV1



Nov 02, 2025 at 02:17 PM
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p.75 #6 · Leica M EV1


LBJ2 wrote:
While we wait in the US market, if anyone is interested, photos are popping up in the "Leica M EV1" Facebook Group ( currently 999 members)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/leicamev1


I was just being sarcastic .. the M EV1 is an M11 with a built-in EVF.



Nov 02, 2025 at 02:49 PM
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p.75 #7 · Leica M EV1


Fred Miranda wrote:
I was just being sarcastic.


Fred, I did get the irony and laughed. I probably should have acknowledged your joke in my response 😎



Nov 02, 2025 at 02:53 PM
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p.75 #8 · Leica M EV1


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Do you want an M, with an EVF?

I do not want a M. I want a small camera with small lenses and a clear viewfinder. I'm not even sure I need a rangefinder: a good AF would do the trick.
If I'm using an EVF, I'd rather have everything that comes with it: AF, IBIS, zooms...

But this is me and I understand perfectly that other people have other priorities.

RustyBug wrote:
I'd suggest that for folks who are really dissatisfied with the route that Leica is going here ... get a Sony and buy the E- versions of Voigtlander's manual focus lenses (or Nikon counterpart, etc.).

I do not want a Sony for manual focusing because I want to keep my small M lenses. What I want is something I may never get, i.e. a M with an hybrid viewfinder, IBIS and has long as I dream, the option to mount either MF lenses or some modern AF lenses, an APO 90mm/2 and a 180mm/4 in M mount with AF for instance.
Best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned.


RustyBug wrote:
I mean, heck if you're already vested in Leica M glass ... sell it, replace it with E- glass and pocket a mint divesting from Leica to Sony

To me, this has nothing to do with the glass because nowadays, using digital and PP, I can get excellent results from any brand.
As said above, this has something to do with seeing the picture in my mind and shooting it without composing it on a screen or an OVF.
On top of this, I get a small camera, great ergonomics allowing me to concentrate on the subject, a huge choice of small but excellent lenses...



Nov 02, 2025 at 04:42 PM
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p.75 #9 · Leica M EV1



RustyBug wrote:
Do you want an M, with an EVF?

pmeheut wrote:
I do not want a M. I want a small camera with small lenses and a clear viewfinder.


Oly



Nov 02, 2025 at 08:49 PM
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Oly


The problem with Olympus is the crop when you use FF lenses.



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p.75 #11 · Leica M EV1


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Oly

My bad. Something got lost in translation, "clear viewfinder" is the french expression for "optical viewfinder without a screen", i.e. the M bright-line viewfinder.




Nov 03, 2025 at 01:46 AM
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p.75 #12 · Leica M EV1


pmeheut wrote:
My bad. Something got lost in translation, "clear viewfinder" is the french expression for "optical viewfinder without a screen", i.e. the M bright-line viewfinder.



Now I’m confused…



Nov 03, 2025 at 03:50 AM
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p.75 #13 · Leica M EV1


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Now I’m confused…

When I use a SLR, SLR, EVF, the screen of a camera or a phone, I see my framing and a 2D projection of the image, something that looks like the image I will see on the computer and maybe print.
When I use a M, I do not see that at all. I do not frame with the viewfinder but before. I frame "in my mind" somehow because I can "see" the frame of a 28, 35, 50 and 90mm at will without a camera.

In my case, this has a strong influence on the images I produce and this is why over the years, I've noticed that 90% of my best images were shot with a M. The others one are usually because I needed a 180mm or because I was shooting something different: I did not use the M for race cars on a circuit.
I mean: I could, Jean-Loup once shot the Monaco Grand Prix with a M4 and a 21mm if memory serves but I do not have a fraction of his talent.

Talking about photographers, Cartier-Bresson use to shoot with a reverse viewfinder showing the image upside-down to concentrate on the composition, not the subject.
He told Riboud, a young photographer at the time looking to join Magnum to use it too. Riboud went shooting the Eiffel Tower painters, almost fell due to said upside-down viewfinder but came back with a contact sheet. Cartier Bresson looked at it upside-down too, circled the now iconic "peintre de la tour Eiffel" and said "you're hired".

I'm not of course comparing myself to such great photographers, only taking inspiration from them but my point is: composition is what matters and the viewfinder is the primary tool, the only thing between our eye and the subject.

Ergonomics, lenses, sensors, etc are all important but in the end, we produce pictures with light and framing. I have little control over light shooting street mainly so I concentrate on framing.

It is different for other photographers, some can compose as well with an OVF or EVF as with a M but not me. Hence why I still use a M11: expensive, heavy with the lenses compared to my beloved PEN-F, not really convenient, kind of obsolete.
But I end up with images I like. And sometimes, they even have some likes here.





Nov 03, 2025 at 05:06 AM
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p.75 #14 · Leica M EV1


pmeheut wrote:
When I use a SLR, SLR, EVF, the screen of a camera or a phone, I see my framing and a 2D projection of the image, something that looks like the image I will see on the computer and maybe print.
When I use a M, I do not see that at all. I do not frame with the viewfinder but before. I frame "in my mind" somehow because I can "see" the frame of a 28, 35, 50 and 90mm at will without a camera.

In my case, this has a strong influence on the images I produce and this is
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Well, I meant confused because I thought Oly referred to Olympus. But anyway, interesting explanation of your process.

I used to be able to have the frame in my mind when I started photography (I actually started with a Yashica rangefinder), but nowadays I don't. Maybe it will come back, but I doubt it because I use too many different focal lengths.

In the last few days, I actually went out with my M11, my OM-1 with a 20mm lens and my Canon R5 with the same lens as I used on the M11, the Contax G 45/2 converted to M mount. The R5 image looks crisper on my screen and the 13x19 prints of the Olympus and M11 look both perfectly fine. My wife thinks the Olympus image is sharper. That is after the MFT image was cropped to 3x2 to match the Leica framing.

I'm now seriously considering selling the M11. I do love the small lenses, but I feel much more comfortable not having to care about my gear as much as I feel I have to with the M11. Plus, unlike for you, the viewfinder doesn't really matter to me, other than whether or not it helps me get an image sharp without much hassle.

Any brand that brings out a smallish FF camera that can focus my M lenses like Nikon can, will get my money in the future.



Nov 03, 2025 at 05:24 AM
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pmeheut wrote:
When I use a SLR, SLR, EVF, the screen of a camera or a phone, I see my framing and a 2D projection of the image, something that looks like the image I will see on the computer and maybe print.
When I use a M, I do not see that at all. I do not frame with the viewfinder but before. I frame "in my mind" somehow because I can "see" the frame of a 28, 35, 50 and 90mm at will without a camera.

In my case, this has a strong influence on the images I produce and this is
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I understand ...

But, I'm also a bit confused.

It sounds like you want an optical, clear glass viewfinder. Then, from that, it suggests there would be no interest for you in the EV1.

Yet, it sounds like you would like a better focusing tool than the RF, due to aging eyes, which suggests you are wanting an EVF, but you don't like looking at EV displays. Which presents a conundrum for you (not for Leica, per se) that you are seeking a solution (that may not presently exist).

I had written elsewhere (a few times) that re-engineering the approach to the optical patch in the RF would be something that I'd find merit with. But, the likelihood of Leica going down that path is miniscule.

In my mind, the patch alignment approach is predicated on the overlay in the X axis, as things mechanically align / misalign laterally, for a portion of the frame.

Personally, I'd like to see the alignment shifted from the X axis to the Z axis. In that regard, the ENTIRE frame could be moved forward / aft to render focal alignment, and also present the relative DOF associated, as well. I used to use a 100% matte screen in my Nikon FE ... and things would just "pop" into focus on the matte. Granted, that was SLR Mirror for the lens optical path, with a single display pane (matte).

Here, we are talking about the viewfinder optical path ... which is aligned to mimic the calibration toward the optical path of the lens focal length. It would be different, in that it would require two panes, that would combine to provide the align / misalignment to emulate the matte screen. For those familiar with the AA filter in a single pane, vs. Canon's approach to use dual stage AA / non-AA by optical path converge / diverge optics cumulatively, that's similar in concept, here.

Converting that from a lateral to a fore / aft movement would be a tremendous paradigm shift that I think would serve multiple functions for folks.

1. Optical RF
2. Full Frame focus confirmation area (vs. central patch only)
3. DOF (relative vs. actual) presentation in optical VF (similar to matte screen of yore).

And, while I'm at it ... build in the adjustable diopter, too. Either built in, or as attachable module. The attachable module could also incorporate the pivoting head (similar to GX8) for angle finding work, or an interchangeable module. Granted, flip LCD display would seem the obvious choice here for many (in today's climate), but keeping into the realm of the optical VF perspective ... yeah, there's a way ... but, only if there's the will.

Do I expect Leica to go down this path. Nope, nada, not a fat chance with a snowball in Hades. If I were redesigning the rangefinder mechanism for an optical RF viewfinder ... yup, I'd "flip the script" from lateral / horizontal (X) to on axis (Z).

We all can want for different things to meet our desired wants / needs ... and, ultimately recognize that mfr's will never provide all of us, with what we want. They will typically hit for the bell curve of their respective target markets. For those of us who are outliers in what we want ... yeah, not gonna happen anytime soon. That's just the way it is.


If I still didn't understand your wants / needs ... feel free to clarify. But, it sounds like you're in a conundrum of what you want, and will have choices to make. Sometimes we base those on what we want. Other times, we base them on what we don't want. Imo, the don't wants (choose your poison) can be more powerful indicators than our wants. I tend to make sure I understand my poison(s), as there are often more choices in the "wants" available to cull from.



And yes, conundrum's suck.




Nov 03, 2025 at 07:50 AM
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p.75 #16 · Leica M EV1


my advice - get cataract surgery and new lens implants

seriously I had this done a few months ago and I feel like I have Superman vision. The range finder view is SO clear and easy to focus, even in low light.



Nov 03, 2025 at 09:52 AM
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brick33308 wrote:
my advice - get cataract surgery and new lens implants

seriously I had this done a few months ago and I feel like I have Superman vision. The range finder view is SO clear and easy to focus, even in low light.


Good advice. If after a few months you find your vision not the best then you might want PSO. YAG laser takes like 10 seconds.



Nov 03, 2025 at 10:40 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
If I still didn't understand your wants / needs ... feel free to clarify. But, it sounds like you're in a conundrum of what you want, and will have choices to make.

Not at all. I'm quite happy with my gear and consider it far above my needs. I'm just saying that in a perfect world, I would like an EV1 + IBIS + better focusing aid + optional AF as a complement of the M11. Or even better, all of this and an hybrid viewfinder.
It would probably have no impact on my images, at least the best of them but as long as I'm describing the poney I want for Christmas, I can go wild.




Nov 03, 2025 at 10:46 AM
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This just makes me realize how amazing Fuji’s Xpro system is/was.

They’ve had that hybrid optical/EVF for years now, as well as AF or MF.
I kinda wish I didn’t sell my Xpro3!



Nov 03, 2025 at 11:57 AM
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Desmolicious wrote:
This just makes me realize how amazing Fuji’s Xpro system is/was.

They’ve had that hybrid optical/EVF for years now, as well as AF or MF.
I kinda wish I didn’t sell my Xpro3!


I wish Fuji made their XPro with FF sensor. I would have moved to Fuji years ago! I still wonder why and if they made a silent agreement with Sony. Only covering APS-C and then also the digital medium format is still weird to me.



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