flash wrote:
Fujifilm has this already (for years) and it’s far from a gimmick. It’s (for me) significantly better than Leicas current approach. I really don’t like the whole evf magnifying for focusing. I don’t want to lose my composition while I focus. If it doesn’t have this as an option my interest would be much lower.
While I’d really like the Nikon Zf tech in this camera I don’t expect it. But it needs to be better than using a SL3 with an adaptor.
Gordon
It would significantly be lighter (less than 500g) than the SL3 (854g plus 70g for the adapter) though.
But then again the SL3 has IBIS and video and gives you access to all L-mount AF lenses... Easily the more versatile camera.
If the M EV1 truly comes in at the same price point as an M it would remain a rather tough sell I feel.
retrofocus wrote:
With one main difference: a potential simulated RF patch in the EV1 camera is no longer limited to frame lines of the optical viewfinder magnification. What you see on the sensor is what you will be getting no matter how wide or far your lens focal length is. External optical viewfinders are no longer required here. So yes, the focusing itself will be very similar if not even the same as in the traditional M cameras, but the simulated RF patch applies to the whole sensor image frame independent on focal length. Maybe there is even a camera menu option to enlarge the RF patch with higher magnification suitable for longer focal lengths?...Show more →
Maybe they can do miracles with a simulated RF, but the one I’ve seen from Fuji does nothing for me.
johnvanr wrote:
Nikon uses the same kind of indicators as the old time exposure indication, with a green dot for accurate focus.
Canon use a middle line, with two vertical arrows moving away or toward that line with accurate focus if they both cover the line.
The advantage:
- compared to peaking, it’s clearer and distracts less from the overall image
- compared to magnification, it’s much faster
- compared to a rangefinder patch, it’s reliable even at wide apertures
Canon shockingly has nailed the execution!!!! Its the first EVF I love using manual focus on.
I predict Leica has thought through this problem and has come up with something as revolutionary as the RF patch was. If they did, it will sell like extremely well!!!
RustyRus wrote:
Canon shockingly has nailed the execution!!!! Its the first EVF I love using manual focus on.
I predict Leica has thought through this problem and has come up with something as revolutionary as the RF patch was. If they did, it will sell like extremely well!!!
+1 on your first phrase. I don't expect the M EV1 to be revolutionary though, more bare bones, and if it turns out to be very successful Leica might further invest in it.
RustyRus wrote:
Canon shockingly has nailed the execution!!!! Its the first EVF I love using manual focus on.
I predict Leica has thought through this problem and has come up with something as revolutionary as the RF patch was. If they did, it will sell like extremely well!!!
It’s just a pity it works on so few lenses and not on adapted M lenses.
johnvanr wrote:
It’s just a pity it works on so few lenses and not on adapted M lenses.
I think it's because Canon's 'focus guide' MF feature relies on electronic communication with the lens to determine focus distance. In that sense, Nikon's MF confirmation is more flexible, since it isn't dependent on electronics and can "see" focus through phase detection.
I agree that it would be a great opportunity for Leica to offer advanced focus confirmation aids. Perhaps the new EV1 will include something, but we don't know yet. Recent rumors say the camera may use a sensor based on the M11, which lacks phase-detection pixels, making it difficult to replicate Nikon's MF confirmation method.
While that may disappoint some, it's also possible the Leica M EV1 will function more like the Q3, offering focus peaking and magnification in the EVF, consistent with the rumored features.
SlowDriver wrote:
I wonder whether the M EV1 will also support R-lenses through the Leica R Adapter M. It should, should it not?
Yes. Like on any other mirrorless camera you will most likely be able to use with suitable adapter all kind of lenses. No matter which kind of focusing system is implemented in the EV1, it will work independent on the attached lens.
retrofocus wrote:
No matter which kind of focusing system is implemented in the EV1, it will work independent on the attached lens.
Unless it depends on the M lenses rangefinder coupling.
pmeheut wrote:
Unless it depends on the M lenses rangefinder coupling.
Why would it need coupling at all with no RangeFinder mechanisms to move? Everything will be done in software off of sensor generated data. Any RF simulation window included. The focal length of the lens, and position of the internal mechanisms is irrelevant to that data.
Similarly, if the RF cam is calibrated precisely, it can be translated into digital distance reading, thus simulating the RF patch digitally (working alongside with phase detection). This can pose a big problem of standardizing the calibration, for example my experience with official calibration is the RF patch should be slightly before infinity mark when focusing on infinity object, and yet I read many people calibrate it to be exactly aligned upon infinity mark. But what do I know...
pmeheut wrote:
This is how the M11 EVF works: the aids are activated by detecting that the RF mechanism moves, i.e. the user is focusing. I find it convenient.
I wish they'd release the thing already, so all these speculation threads end - and so that they then can finally focus on doing a proper M body again - one with amazing colors, and one without two years of bugs and freezes 👍
Tina Kino wrote:
I wish they'd release the thing already, so all these speculation threads end - and so that they then can finally focus on doing a proper M body again - one with amazing colors, and one without two years of bugs and freezes 👍
Yes I am also looking forward to the M12 release, whenever that might be.
pmeheut wrote:
This is how the M11 EVF works: the aids are activated by detecting that the RF mechanism moves, i.e. the user is focusing. I find it convenient.
The only focus aid is Zoom which can be activated that way or by a button push. The coupler is used for the auto zoom function but I think this can also be done by checking focus on the sensor.
1bwana1 wrote:
The only focus ais is Zoom which can be activated that way or by a button push. The coupler is used for the auto zoom function but I think this can also be done by checking focus on the sensor.
It's frustrating that this doesn't work with the SL series. It doesn't provide auto-magnification (zoom, as you mentioned) when using adapted M lenses. This likely happens because, unlike the M11, it isn't equipped with the rangefinder cam required for the auto magnification feature to function. It's still unclear how the upcoming M EV1 will handle this.
Fred Miranda wrote:
It's frustrating that this doesn't work with the SL series. It doesn't provide auto-magnification (zoom, as you mentioned) when using adapted M lenses. This likely happens because, unlike the M11, it isn't equipped with the rangefinder cam required for the auto magnification feature to function. It's still unclear how the upcoming M EV1 will handle this.
I see no reason that the EV-1 cannot incorporate a simple mechanism to detect the focus coupler movement. As a matter of fact I see no reason the SL M adapter couldn't also do that.
Sure, but Leica needs to implement this. Currently, the existing Leica adapter doesn't provide auto magnification with the SL. Hopefully, this feature will be included in the new camera, as many users value auto magnification. Even better would be if new, faster, and more accurate focusing aids replace the need for magnification altogether.
1bwana1 wrote:
I see no reason that the EV-1 cannot incorporate a simple mechanism to detect the focus coupler movement. As a matter of fact I see no reason the SL M adapter couldn't also do that.
