LBJ2 wrote:
Did something change, updated from the Oct 4th Leica Rumors you posted which described:
"Leica M EV1 = a Leica Q with M-mount
The upcoming Leica M EV1 camera was described to me as a Leica Q camera with an M-mount. The look of the M EV1 will be closer to that of the Leica Q, rather than the classic Leica M rangefinder design."
Yes, the latest rumors suggest it's more likely modeled after the M11 than the Q3, though it borrows some design elements (leatherette) and features (EVF) from the Q3. That said, nothing is official yet, so details could still "evolve" before the release. The newest rumors mention it uses the M11 BP-SCL7 battery and that "the M EV1 is based on M11 electronics".. which shifts the expectation closer to the M11 even further.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, the latest rumors suggest it's more likely modeled after the M11 than the Q3, though it does borrow some aesthetics (leatherette) and features (EVF) from the Q3. That said, nothing's official yet, so the details could still "evolve" before the release.
Thanks. I must have missed that. It's always been the M11 body other than that one Q body U-Turn "rumor" 🤪
If the latest rumors are accurate, I would think with the use of the M11 battery and M mount along with a M body frame selector and an internal EVF that can display frame lines (maybe), with some sort of rangefinder patch (maybe), that an M body seems more likely than a Q style body.
DandA123 wrote:
If the latest rumors are accurate, I would think with the use of the M11 battery and M mount along with a M body frame selector and an internal EVF that can display frame lines (maybe), with some sort of rangefinder patch (maybe), that an M body seems more likely than a Q style body.
It’ll functionally be similar to the Q3. Crop mode frame lines with similar focus assists. Maybe an “RF patch” that is a high contrast monochromatic box.
whiteonline wrote:
It’ll functionally be similar to the Q3. Crop mode frame lines with similar focus assists. Maybe an “RF patch” that is a high contrast monochromatic box.
If the idea of a simulated RF patch is really the core of this EVF, I don’t see the point. This is the chance to add focus confirmation that shows more accuracy quickly than a real or virtual RF patch can provide. That’s why Canon and Nikon actually do a good job, even though MF is a minor concern for them.
johnvanr wrote:
If the idea of a simulated RF patch is really the core of this EVF, I don’t see the point. This is the chance to add focus confirmation that shows more accuracy quickly than a real or virtual RF patch can provide
What are thinking of? I'm asking because I've found the patch very efficient: my brain is wired to move the focus ring in the right direction and at the right speed depending on what I see in it.
So I would be willing to give a simulated patch a try.
My expectation is that it will be identical in form factor to an M11. So much so that all accessories will be interchangeable. This is an M11 with a different viewfinder experience in the end.
I am not expecting any kind of gimmicky artificial rangefinder patch simulation, but I have seen on line some images showing this feature. But they are created and not actually taken from the back of an EV-1 camera. So, who knows. . I think we will get a very highly developed sensor/software driven focus peaking/magnification/subject selection EVF solution.
I am hoping that we get smooth and effective software driven image stabilization through the EVF. Hopefully there will be as fast and smooth refresh rates as this slow sensor will allow. This is one of my least favorite failures of the Visoflex implementation. It would be nice if the EVF brightness, detail, size, and EVF glass/lenses are the equal of the SL3 SL-2 EVF.
I find that MF is an efficient, accurate, and enjoyable experience on the SL3 SL-2 cameras. If we do get that level of EVF performance with some enhanced focus/subject tools I think the EV-1 will achieve good acceptance in the market.
1bwana1 wrote:
My expectation is that it will be identical in form factor to an M11. So much so that all accessories will be interchangeable. This is an M11 with a different viewfinder experience in the end.
I am not expecting any kind of gimmicky artificial rangefinder patch simulation, but I have seen on line some images showing this feature. But they are created and not actually taken from the back of an EV-1 camera. So, who knows. . I think we will get a very highly developed sensor/software driven focus peaking/magnification/subject selection EVF solution.
I am hoping that we get smooth and effective software driven image stabilization through the EVF. Hopefully there will be as fast and smooth refresh rates as this slow sensor will allow. This is one of my least favorite failures of the Visoflex implementation. It would be nice if the EVF brightness, detail, size, and EVF glass/lenses are the equal of the SL3 SL-2 EVF.
I find that MF is an efficient, accurate, and enjoyable experience on the SL3 SL-2 cameras. If we do get that level of EVF performance with some enhanced focus/subject tools I think the EV-1 will achieve good acceptance in the market. ...Show more →
Fujifilm has this already (for years) and it’s far from a gimmick. It’s (for me) significantly better than Leicas current approach. I really don’t like the whole evf magnifying for focusing. I don’t want to lose my composition while I focus. If it doesn’t have this as an option my interest would be much lower.
While I’d really like the Nikon Zf tech in this camera I don’t expect it. But it needs to be better than using a SL3 with an adaptor.
1bwana1 wrote:
My expectation is that it will be identical in form factor to an M11. So much so that all accessories will be interchangeable. This is an M11 with a different viewfinder experience in the end.
I am wondering what your Italian dealers have told you. Probably, at least some of them, have seen the new camera
I'm guessing a simple patch magnification will work better for fast paced shooting (instead of magnifying and fill up the display), with choices of magnification setting, as well as a black and white patch with peaking etc. Current body already can sense the RF cam movement so it's entirely possible for this to be automated upon focusing, and a tap on the shutter button back to composing. I don't know of any current camera models do patch magnification, apart from the X100 series partial EVF confusing aid in the corner.
My biggest gripe is still focusing stopped down on, though, had 40/1.2 on Sony body before and not enjoyable focusing f4 and beyond, often a hair missed focus.
1bwana1 wrote:
My expectation is that it will be identical in form factor to an M11. So much so that all accessories will be interchangeable. This is an M11 with a different viewfinder experience in the end.
I am not expecting any kind of gimmicky artificial rangefinder patch simulation, but I have seen on line some images showing this feature. But they are created and not actually taken from the back of an EV-1 camera. So, who knows. . I think we will get a very highly developed sensor/software driven focus peaking/magnification/subject selection EVF solution.
I am hoping that we get smooth and effective software driven image stabilization through the EVF. Hopefully there will be as fast and smooth refresh rates as this slow sensor will allow. This is one of my least favorite failures of the Visoflex implementation. It would be nice if the EVF brightness, detail, size, and EVF glass/lenses are the equal of the SL3 SL-2 EVF.
I find that MF is an efficient, accurate, and enjoyable experience on the SL3 SL-2 cameras. If we do get that level of EVF performance with some enhanced focus/subject tools I think the EV-1 will achieve good acceptance in the market. ...Show more →
I think if its just a M11 camera with a similar SL2/SL3 type EVF viewfinder setup with its focus peaking & magnification as focusing aids in place of the traditional optical rangefinder, it would be disappointing to many. If it's a M11 with an internal EVF with a simulated rangefinder type focusing patch with optional levels of focusing aids (and maybe with focus confirmation) but keeping all else similar to the M11 along with maybe some sort of framelines, then it will reach a wider audience. This is especially so for those whose current eyesight makes it difficult to use the traditional rangefinder. I would think keeping it as close to a traditional M camera experience as possible is the key.
johnvanr wrote:
If the idea of a simulated RF patch is really the core of this EVF, I don’t see the point. This is the chance to add focus confirmation that shows more accuracy quickly than a real or virtual RF patch can provide.
With one main difference: a potential simulated RF patch in the EV1 camera is no longer limited to frame lines of the optical viewfinder magnification. What you see on the sensor is what you will be getting no matter how wide or far your lens focal length is. External optical viewfinders are no longer required here. So yes, the focusing itself will be very similar if not even the same as in the traditional M cameras, but the simulated RF patch applies to the whole sensor image frame independent on focal length. Maybe there is even a camera menu option to enlarge the RF patch with higher magnification suitable for longer focal lengths?
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retrofocus wrote:
With one main difference: a potential simulated RF patch in the EV1 camera is no longer limited to frame lines of the optical viewfinder magnification. What you see on the sensor is what you will be getting no matter how wide or far your lens focal length is. External optical viewfinders are no longer required here. So yes, the focusing itself will be very similar if not even the same as in the traditional M cameras, but the simulated RF patch applies to the whole sensor image frame independent on focal length. Maybe there is even a camera menu option to enlarge the RF patch with higher magnification suitable for longer focal lengths?...Show more →
I think we have no idea what Leica is going to do with the EVF. Will there even be a simulated RF patch? There could be, but what that is and how they enact it will be crucial to the experience of this camera. Strictly speaking any simulated RF patch with be a focus aid. Would it be a good one? Will it use phase detect and be a form of focus confirmation? Will Leica has a separate lens and perhaps even sensor that is part of the new digital EVF? Will the view from the EVF be through the lens or from a separate lens and sensor or can you switch between this separate lens and sensor and the through the lens? We don't know the answer to any of these questions and it will be interesting to see exactly what Leica has decided to do. Until we see it, however, there are lots of possibilities.
Steve Spencer wrote:
I think we have no idea what Leica is going to do with the EVF. Will there even be a simulated RF patch? There could be, but what that is and how they enact it will be crucial to the experience of this camera. Strictly speaking any simulated RF patch with be a focus aid. Would it be a good one? Will it use phase detect and be a form of focus confirmation? Will Leica has a separate lens and perhaps even sensor that is part of the new digital EVF? Will the view from the EVF be through the lens or from a separate lens and sensor or can you switch between this separate lens and sensor and the through the lens? We don't know the answer to any of these questions and it will be interesting to see exactly what Leica has decided to do. Until we see it, however, there are lots of possibilities....Show more →
For sure - all speculative at this point. I just think that from the rumored specs shared here that Leica did something right with the M EV1 - I predicted this kind of camera already two years ago and originally named it EVF-M or Q with exchangeable M-mount. One thing is for sure - it will be another expensive one....
retrofocus wrote:
Why? Because it is easier to copy from something existent than building it from the ground up new. They might study how the electronics work in the M11 EV1, where possible failure points are to improve on etc etc. They did the same with the German car industry settling down in China 20 years ago.
A third party manufactured M will only be successful on the market if it is significantly cheaper than a similar Leica M feature-wise. Otherwise why would somebody jump ship? Zeiss made exactly this experience with the Pixii. That's why I have given up such innovation of a third-party made EVF-M will ever come from a western or Japanese company. ...Show more →
Wait what does Zeiss have to do with the Pixii? I thought that was a French Company that made it.
Do you mean the ZX1?
Either way, I think the Chinese market might attempted an M Mount or LTM film camera over digital...
aw614 wrote:
Wait what does Zeiss have to do with the Pixii? I thought that was a French Company that made it.
Do you mean the ZX1?
Either way, I think the Chinese market might attempted an M Mount or LTM film camera over digital...
I might have mixed up the names - both failed, both much too expensive offerings to compete successfully with Leica M.
No need for another company to make a LTM rangefinder based camera - many affordable Russian based Leica copies (FED etc) are on the market for well below $100. Niche to fill - which does not exist yet - is i. e. a Chinese digital M. Time will tell!
My expectation is that it will be identical in form factor to an M11. So much so that all accessories will be interchangeable. This is an M11 with a different viewfinder experience in the end.
Completely agree. If it had a Q - type body, wouldn’t they call it the QM, or Q interchangeable?
pmeheut wrote:
What are thinking of? I'm asking because I've found the patch very efficient: my brain is wired to move the focus ring in the right direction and at the right speed depending on what I see in it.
So I would be willing to give a simulated patch a try.
Nikon uses the same kind of indicators as the old time exposure indication, with a green dot for accurate focus.
Canon use a middle line, with two vertical arrows moving away or toward that line with accurate focus if they both cover the line.
The advantage:
- compared to peaking, it’s clearer and distracts less from the overall image
- compared to magnification, it’s much faster
- compared to a rangefinder patch, it’s reliable even at wide apertures
