Fred Miranda wrote:
I wouldn't be opposed to it, but if Leica didn't add it to the Q, I doubt they'll include it on the M.
True, but this time they’d have some empty space where the mechanical rangefinder linkage was removed. I doubt they will change the body size to keep economies of a unified body design and all but who knows.
joakim wrote:
You mean like the 50 and 75 Noctilux or the 90 Summilux (and Summicrom for some of us) or the 135 Apo Telyt or anything wider than 28mm
Tele I'm talking 135 and possibly longer. 135 f/2 or 2.8 and possibly 200 f/4. The wide and fast lenses are older designs, which frankly have been bested by Voigtlander, I wouldn't be surprised to see a V II of one of the 21/24/28 Lux's. The 35 Noctilux was a previous rumor, I see this being an opportune time to release if it was true
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, to show it off, Leica should release a lens that is not cover by the regular Leica M's framelines, like a new 24mm or 40mm M-lens.
A reissue of the original 40 f/2 M would be really cool.
Even just using existing 28mm lenses with an EVF-M will be nice. Even without glasses, I could never see the entire 28mm FOV in the rangefinder without looking around at the frame edges intentionally.
I agree that it is hard to believe an M11 without the front optical viewfinder. To me it does not make a lot of sense in general. But on top of that to still call it an M11 even with the added V -- does not make sense.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Personally, I can't imagine a Leica M11 without the front optical viewfinder. It would feel odd to me. I'm sure Leica knows what they are doing and many people will like it.
Here is a quick sketch showing what an M11 might look like without the viewfinder. Leica will execute it much better, but this gives a rough idea.
Since switching to M cams about 18 months ago, I've struggled with rangefinder focus even in the best of light. And low light or night - forget it. So I used the visoflex 2 even though I think it spoils the look and "purity" of my M digital cams.
Then just last week and today I had cataract surgery, replacing my clouded yellow lenses with new perfect ones, and yesterday used the rangefinder for the first time since the surgery. WOW WOW WOW, the rangefinder is bright and clear, and images are so easily put into focus - seems that I get better focus now with the rangefinder than I did with the visoflex.
All this is to say that I no longer want or need the M11V.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, to show it off, Leica should release a lens that is not cover by the regular Leica M's framelines, like a new 24mm or 40mm M-lens.
It would work nicely on an EVF-based camera as discussed, but I doubt Leica will re-make 24 mm M-mount lenses after they decided to no longer manufacture this focal length in M-mount. 40 mm might be too much in-house competition with 50 mm-based M-lenses from Leica, too. Saying this, I believe that many of future EVF-M based camera users will use a traditional rangefinder-based M camera (film and/or digital) in parallel. Therefore lenses fitting the frame lines might be also more preferred in the future - at least judging from my personal usage.
Some tilt/shift lenses (17mm and 24mm), faster WATE and MATE lenses (f/2.8 or faster), macros (50mm f/2.8, 100mm f/2.8, and 200mm f/4), teles (85mm f/1.4 and 135mm f/2). Nothing crazy, except maybe a portrait zoom like the Sony 50-150mm f/2.
raizans wrote:
Some tilt/shift lenses (17mm and 24mm), faster WATE and MATE lenses (f/2.8 or faster), macros (50mm f/2.8, 100mm f/2.8, and 200mm f/4), teles (85mm f/1.4 and 135mm f/2). Nothing crazy, except maybe a portrait zoom like the Sony 50-150mm f/2.
Thinking of it, compact M-mount zoom lenses are a possibility now as well.
rsolti13 wrote:
Tele I'm talking 135 and possibly longer. 135 f/2 or 2.8 and possibly 200 f/4. The wide and fast lenses are older designs, which frankly have been bested by Voigtlander, I wouldn't be surprised to see a V II of one of the 21/24/28 Lux's. The 35 Noctilux was a previous rumor, I see this being an opportune time to release if it was true
New lenses in different focal lengths than those available for the current M series (those that would need external viewfinders since current cameras do not have frame lines for them, like a 40 or a 200mm) for this camera can be more mechanically simple, since no rangefinder coupling mechanism would be needed. It would be a new line, just for the new camera.
But why would Leica produce a new line of lenses for just a single model, it doesn’t make sense to me and specially for a small company as Leica. It makes much more sense if all the wishes for new lenses we see here would be, in most part, for the L mount.
joakim wrote:
But why would Leica produce a new line of lenses for just a single model, it doesn’t make sense to me and specially for a small company as Leica. It makes much more sense if all the wishes for new lenses we see here would be, in most part, for the L mount.
I don't think they will at first, but if the camera turns into a success like the Q line, they might consider it later.
rsolti13 wrote:
should put a poll in for pricing, just for fun. I think MSRP will be around $6,200 mark
That would be great, but I think it is wishful thinking...
Leica has really pushed the price threshold with the M11-P. I'm sure the tariffs are a burden, but >$9000 us is a stratospheric pricing structure if they want the M-line to be adopted by the younger generation or photo enthusiasts in general.
I paid $5400 for a Nikon Z9 and don't think I'll buy the next generation because the performance gain will never justify the cost for me. Having spent $4500 on a used M10 in the past, I cashed out and replaced it with a used M-240 with a better lens...
While I was willing to fork over nearly $14K for my 400mm f2.8C, that is a lifetime investment in a lens that I used almost every day... In the end, I'm willing to spend a significant amount for an M with EVF, but I'm not sure I'd bite at $6200...
I think this would make more sense as a ILC Q or D-Lux -- meaning L mount. I can't believe that Leica would produce a manual-focus camera that is not a rangefinder. This gives the opportunity, as Fred mentioned in a different respect, for a new line of relatively compact autofocus lenses. Take the Q customers and provide them expensive accessories to purchase.
Most people want autofocus.
whiteonline wrote:
I think this would make more sense as a ILC Q or D-Lux -- meaning L mount. I can't believe that Leica would produce a manual-focus camera that is not a rangefinder. This gives the opportunity, as Fred mentioned in a different respect, for a new line of relatively compact autofocus lenses. Take the Q customers and provide them expensive accessories to purchase.
Most people want autofocus.
It's a good point, particularly as we already have the SL system which is compatible to a large extent with M lenses. Given this, I think their might be a very good chance that a manual M lens only EVF M body is going to be very expensive with low sales numbers as the market would be small.
Unless it maintains the rangefinder .. which it seems like it will not