p.63 #7 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
So you didn't even take some shots with it, Scott? It doesn't even interest me that much but I still couldn't resist the temptation.
Nope. It turned into a camera I knew I didn't really want by time it got released. I have a GFX. I know what GFX can do at its best, and the RF is only worse than what I already own in terms of image output, and I'm already half ready to liquidate my GFX kit.
I had it preordered in December and knew it would be in very short supply at launch, so I kept the preorder.
p.63 #8 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Nope. It turned into a camera I knew I didn't really want by time it got released. I have a GFX. I know what GFX can do at its best, and the RF is only worse than what I already own in terms of image output, and I'm already half ready to liquidate my GFX kit.
I had it preordered in December and knew it would be in very short supply at launch, so I kept the preorder.
Best image possible quality has never been a priority with 100RF. There are too many known compromises in the desing starting from slow lens. Fuji did these for a reason - to make the camera reasonably small and not astronomically expensive.
Had Fuji prioritized image quality, the camera would have ended up very different and much more upper market (think about Hasselblad).
Still there is a lot to like in 100RF. And frankly, the competition is not that hard. Sony RX1 is old tech out of production camera, and to be fair Leica Q3 does not fair well technically if we think what could be possible. Its OIS is not up current level IBIS, AF is like 10 years ago, operation speed is meh, grip is nonexistent etc.
p.63 #9 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
Sure is!
It's actually the easiest way!
Just wondering, why did you buy it, if you had no intention of keeping it?
Normally, I really don’t care why people pull these kind of stunts. But I had a really hard time getting one even after I pre ordered in March at B&H.
I am really happy with mine and it is exactly what I have want in a lighter version of my GFX100S II.
Why deprive others who preordered in all seriousness?
I ask because I pre ordered from B&H and was disappointed that I didn’t get one. I actually dashed off a note to customer service and got a call from someone to explain why and apologize (I am a really long time customer).
I finally did get one from Amazon and cancelled my order from B&H.
I am wondering if speculation buying is causing fulfillment issues with B&H? Because a Fujifilm representative that I met last weekend told me that I was better off getting it from somewhere else other than B&H.
My contact at B&H was very surprised, when I told him that Amazon fulfilled my order that I had placed there 25 days later.
He was going follow up on this discrepancy with their Fujifilm representative.
p.63 #10 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
For photographers that actually kept the GFX100RF, I now have been able to take consistently sharp pictures at 1/20 with the lens wide open and at ISO 3200.
I am in the process of customizing it to be consistent with that of my X-H2S and GFX100S II.
I did get a tempered glass LCD screen protector from a seller at Amazon. I pre ordered it around the same time, I placed a pre ordered at B&H. It took about 3 and half weeks to get to me. It actually came a day before Amazon delivered my silver GFX100RF. So, great timing.
I attached a custom made Gordy’s leather wrist strap to the camera, as I don’t use neck straps.
The Billingham Hadley digital is great for carrying this camera. Before the GFX100RF, I was using the Hadley digital to carry, my X-H2S with the 16-55 2.8 with hood reversed or my A7RV with the 35mm 1.4 GM. This setup was perfect when I was traveling in Europe.
I am waiting for the L-grip from Smallrig with its Arca Swiss base to ship. Smallrig informed me that they will start to ship in a couple of days.
p.63 #11 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Lifeinpictures wrote:
For photographers that actually kept the GFX100RF, I now have been able to take consistently sharp pictures at 1/20 with the lens wide open and at ISO 3200.
Can you elaborate upon this and provide some full size samples? More specifically., I am curious as to your technique which enables you to remain so stable and I’m curious as to what you call sharp and what qualifies as consistent.
p.63 #12 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Lifeinpictures wrote:
For photographers that actually kept the GFX100RF, I now have been able to take consistently sharp pictures at 1/20 with the lens wide open and at ISO 3200.
I'm gonna ask a question ... some folks will see it as half-empty, but it's meant as a half-full.
Regarding the question, asking about your assessment of what qualifies as "sharp", does shooting at 1/20 ... get "masked" by shooting at ISO 3200?
In other words, when shooting at 1/20 during EV levels appropriate to base ISO, does 1/20 reveal subtle differences in (pixel peeping) camera motion, that aren't detected in the file, with ISO 3200 noise patterns.
Some folks will see this as a negative, if there IS a difference that can be detected at lower ISO. Others will recognize that the f/4 SS at higher ISO, reduces the impact of the lower SS.
It's a hypothetical question, at present ... just wondering out loud. I mean, we compare to film stock the resolving capability of lenses and discount the limitations of film as rationale for "masking" the limits of a given lens. The question is similar in nature, but wrt to SS vs. ISO, instead.
That said, again I'll re-iterate ... it's meant to be a "half-full" question. The basis being that if there IS a difference in detectability, I'm really not likely to be shooting 1/20 (or lower) in base ISO lighting very often. If the difference is detectable between 1/20 at ISO 100 vs. ISO 3200 ... I'm likely gonna bump my ISO 100 to ISO 200 (nominal penalty) and then 1/40 is readily available.
Just curious ... my general take is that 1/20 is reasonable with good technique. But, if we're gonna pixel peep ... wondering if there is a difference between ISO 3200 vs. base ISO, in terms of what can be revealed vs. masked / reduced to inconsequential concerns.
p.63 #13 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Lifeinpictures wrote:
Just wondering, why did you buy it, if you had no intention of keeping it?
It's odd that you'd think you're owed this explanation simply because you don't know how to properly preorder a camera.
I explained in detail in the RF thread that preceded this one how anyone that wanted a launch unit could get one. Now we have a bunch of complainers that just stood in line at B&H like sheep
What I choose to do with my money is my business, same as anyone else.
p.63 #14 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
It's odd that you'd think you're owed this explanation simply because you don't know how to properly preorder a camera.
I explained in detail in the RF thread that preceded this one how anyone that wanted a launch unit could get one. Now we have a bunch of complainers that just stood in line at B&H like sheep
What I choose to do with my money is my business, same as anyone else.
p.63 #15 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RoamingScott wrote:
What I choose to do with my money is my business, same as anyone else.
Although, when we publicly tout what we're doing ... we're kinda taking something that is suggested to be a private matter, and by one's own choice, putting it into the public domain.
Imo, if we want our private business to be private, then we should keep it private, rather than snipe at folks who ponder what we've, intentionally and voluntarily, made public. There'll never be a full agreement / consensus on anything, so it comes with the territory that when we put such stuff out there ... yeah, there will be folks who are on both sides of the coin. Comes with the territory.
p.63 #16 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
bwcolor wrote:
Can you elaborate upon this and provide some full size samples? More specifically., I am curious as to your technique which enables you to remain so stable and I’m curious as to what you call sharp and what qualifies as consistent.
No technique, I used aperture priority wide open, with auto ISO and tried my luck at taking pictures of my dog sitting next to me.
On inspection of these pictures, I was very impressed at all of them being sharp while the shutter speed was,at1/20 with an ISO at 3200. It was indoors with rather low light. That’s why the elevated ISO.
I don’t expect shooting at this shutter speed to be consistently sharp. I think if you want consistency, shoot at 1/125 and you don’t have to gamble on sharpness.
I will try and post these pics after I scrub the gps data from the jpegs, as I had it connected to the X app on my iPhone.
I’m still trying to customize the camera while taking a few pictures.
p.63 #17 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
RustyBug wrote:
Just curious ... my general take is that 1/20 is reasonable with good technique. But, if we're gonna pixel peep ... wondering if there is a difference between ISO 3200 vs. base ISO, in terms of what can be revealed vs. masked / reduced to inconsequential concerns.
I agree that 1/20 is completely unrealistic. I was just having a little fun while programming my camera. I wanted to how blurry the pictures were in low light.
I also a few other things that I am in the midst off, so taking a few test shots was a nice break.
I was,just so surprised that I got so many keepers at 1/20. I really expected everything to be blurry, but that leaf shutter can surprise me sometimes.
I expect to be using 1/125 most of the time,and living with the consequences that come with elevated ISOs.
I knew what I was getting into and was willing to live with the compromises that come with it.
But the lens rendering amd images are quite spectacular.
I am wondering how this camera will play into my equipment rotation. I plan to use this camera exclusively for the next 6 months in the hope I can cull some of the equipment (Sony) Imhave.
p.63 #19 · Fujifilm GFX100RF Discussion and Image Thread
Best image possible quality has never been a priority with 100RF. There are too many known compromises in the desing starting from slow lens. Fuji did these for a reason - to make the camera reasonably small and not astronomically expensive.
Had Fuji prioritized image quality, the camera would have ended up very different and much more upper market (think about Hasselblad).
Still there is a lot to like in 100RF. And frankly, the competition is not that hard. Sony RX1 is old tech out of production camera, and to be fair Leica Q3 does not fair well technically if we think what could be possible. Its OIS is not up current level IBIS, AF is like 10 years ago, operation speed is meh, grip is nonexistent etc.
I have the gfx100rf now in use for almost 4 weeks and can assure you that the IQ is on par with my gfx100Sii and 20-35/4 or 32-64/4. I tested this several times on different occasions! Just wondering have you actually shot the RF?
