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gdanmitchell wrote:
Rather than adding to the troll wars, brand wars, and spec wars, I want to take up this point:
Up front: This will be long. If that’s a problem for anyone in the forum, feel free to skip it.
“Situation” is the key word here, and it is useful to remember that — as you again point out — there’s no one perfect, right, best, obvious solution for everyone to every equipment question.
My particular situation is pretty different than yours and Dorians, but it is no less a situation that leaves me both less enthusiastic (though not entirely unenthusiastic) about Canon and more interested in considering alternatives.
I use two different brands of gear at this point, but I’ll try to leave the other one out of the discussion at this point. I’ve used Canon as my only or my primary system for two decades (slightly plus) and I’ve overall been very happy with it for what I do. At the same time, I’ve understood that there are perfectly fine reasons that explain why others might prefer an alternative — that used to mean Nikon for most people, but that circle of full frame gear now expands to include at least Sony. Sometimes one of those brands has done something that I thought was pretty darned appealing, but it wasn’t enough to counteract the way the Canon system was working for me, and certainly not enough to persuade me to give up an entire system and move to another.
For me, the primary driver has been (loosely defined) landscape photography plus some serious tripod-based night photography that we might think of as industrial landscapes. I work from the tripod and I print up to relatively large sizes. (I have a P9000.) I value higher resolution over camera speed. And when the Canon 5DS and 5DsR were introduced almost a decade ago they were pretty much perfect for what I do. I went with the 5DsR.
(Side note: I do some bird photography, seriously enough to sell and license some of the work. And I’ve been able to do it with the 5DsR. I know that may sound nuts to many traditional bird photographers, but it works for me.)
As I watched many of my friends who do similar work switch to (mostly) Sony and (a very few) Nikon, I was skeptical. Despite the attractions of those systems, the costs of doing a system change seemed excessive for what I regarded to be relatively small and likely temporary advantages. So I have stuck with that same system since I got it back when it was introduced, and it has continued to serve me well. More modern cameras would, no doubt, work better for the bird photography component, but the idea of replacing the entire system still did not appeal.
Over the past few years I have watched several interesting things take place:
1. Sony has gone from its original outsider FF mirrorless status (remember having to adapt virtually all lenses for that system?) to a very sophisticated system with a complete line of lenses and multiple body types, including some that are arguably industry leaders.
2. Nikon, a bit to my surprise, appears to perhaps be coming back from its near-death experience and producing some really excellent gear — though I’m not sure that it exceeds what Sony is doing overall.
3. Fujifilm has produced a very impressive high resolution miniMF system that does a few things that the other systems cannot do, though it is hampered (in the context of my needs) by gaps in their lens offerings. I remain hopeful and occasionally tempted.
4. Canon has continued to produce solid, well built cameras, but has moved to an entirely new RF lens system. Despite years of hints and rumors of a high MP successor to the 5Ds/5DsR bodies, there has been no actual movement — we are now two generations into the R5 cameras and there is still no indication that such a camera will ever come.
From my personal photographic perspective, Canon has gone from being generally the best suited for what I do, or so close to it that it made no sense to consider others, to introducing new cameras that arguably do not achieve what the competition achieved with previous models. That’s backwards from what we usually expect — we tend to see each new generation move ahead of the prior generations of its competition.
Normally, I still would not be quick to consider alternatives. I’ll accept an incremental “less” status from the gear I’m using rather than go to the trouble of switching out lens systems in order to get a marginal improvement, especially when I expect that the next iteration of my brand will likely overcome those incremental differences. But what is also different now is that Canon’s new RF lens system is 9he of the pluses of the new R bodies, and I’m not at all likely to simply stick adapters on my existing EF lenses. If I stay with Canon I’m just about as likely to need to buy new (expensive) lenses as if I try a different brand.
So FROM MY PERSPECTIVE and IN MY SITUATION, this seems like one of those rare inflection points when it does make sense to consider other brands. And when I do I find that those brands are offering things of value to me that Canon isn’t supporting and doesn’t look to be supporting going forward.
Again, if you (are still reading this and you) still prefer Canon, I accept that you have fine reasons for doing so — but maybe accept that others who look at this from a different perspective many not come to the same conclusion....Show more →
I’ve said this before, but to summarize you basically can choose any brand and you always want/need new lenses. That’s all equal. Nikon and Canon don’t produce sensors with more resolution than your current camera, though both come close. Sony does produce a sensor with a bit more resolution but it’s more expensive. Only Hasselblad and Fuji offer more resolution.
All other considerations are based on rumors and wishful thinking and that’s true for all three brands as well, not just for Canon. Your obvious answer is, and has been for a long time, to switch to Fuji.
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This is one from a Z9 and 400mm 2.8 S TC. Boy was that horse fast! I loved the option to get 2 chances to capture the shot, one with and one without TC engaged.
But since this is a Canon board, let's not debate your individual points here.