p.15 #1 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
When I asked about what does not work when Using older batteries in R5II I got this:
When older LP-E6NH or LP-E6N batteries are used, the following limitations apply:
- No Wi-Fi and Ethernet
- NO 8K DCI / 8K UHD / RAW / sRAW
– No oversampled video at the following frame rates: 239.76 / 200.00 / 119.88 / 100.00 / 59.94 / 50.00 fps R5II does not do oversampled in any mode above 30p or does it?
– No pre-recording, HDMI RAW output, dual shooting (still & video), high frame rate video or pre-continuous shooting.
– The lightning shoe's data connector cannot be used
– No active fan cooling with battery grip
Seems like the camera is not great to use with old battery
p.15 #3 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
Hmmmmm, does not pass the Fro knows smell test!
First you say you just tried out the bulb timing test
molson wrote:
I just tried the same process with my Z8 for comparison... turn the camera on, find out the battery is dead again, put the battery on the charger... and in the mean time, three or four button presses and my R5 is set to the last long exposure time I used. Press OK and then press the shutter button. Way faster on the Canon!
Just because you spent several minutes trying to remember how to operate your camera, doesn't make the process fundamentally worse.
But then turn around and say you sold the Z8? Which is it? You can't shovel it out both ways
molson wrote:
When the light levels drop, the Canon cameras are noticeably faster focusing than the Z8, from my experience. That's the primary reason why I sold my Z8 after a few weeks of side-by-side comparison. I'm pretty sure the R5 II won't be worse than the current R5.
p.15 #5 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
gkinard1952 wrote:
Canon does not have the sensor tech. Curious to see what they are going to do in the next few years?
Considering how Canon's sensors deliver both class-leading dynamic range and class-leading on-chip PDAF performance, what exactly are they lacking? I'm curious to if the competition can keep up over the next few years, especially Nikon who have no sensor tech of their own.
p.15 #7 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
molson wrote:
Considering how Canon's sensors deliver both class-leading dynamic range and class-leading on-chip PDAF performance, what exactly are they lacking? I'm curious to if the competition can keep up over the next few years, especially Nikon who have no sensor tech of their own.
“Hold your horses boy”🤔
Canon does not deliver class leading DR but Sony does.
Canon delivers colors like no one else and bodies with very good ergonomics and great AF
p.15 #8 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
biggles2002 wrote:
“Hold your horses boy”🤔
Canon does not deliver class leading DR but Sony does.
Canon delivers colors like no one else and bodies with very good ergonomics and great AF
Canon's new sensors are reported as delivering 14-bit resolution in all capture modes. If so, then the dynamic range story may not be so clear as you think. I suspect we will need to await further testing.
p.15 #9 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
molson wrote:
I just tried the same process with my Z8 for comparison... turn the camera on, find out the battery is dead again, put the battery on the charger... and in the mean time, three or four button presses and my R5 is set to the last long exposure time I used. Press OK and then press the shutter button. Way faster on the Canon!
Just because you spent several minutes trying to remember how to operate your camera, doesn't make the process fundamentally worse.
tyshrel wrote:
Hmmmmm, does not pass the Fro knows smell test!
First you say you just tried out the bulb timing test
But then turn around and say you sold the Z8? Which is it? You can't shovel it out both ways
molson wrote:
I assume either English is not your first language, or you only have Grade 3 reading comprehension skills.
It seems 'tyshrel,' who joined today, is familiar with your posting history, based on a comment in the 'departure' thread, about what you long ago posted somewhere here on FM about XQD cards.... Maybe they're a long-time lurker who was suddenly inspired to join in order to counter-comment you specifically?
p.15 #10 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
rscheffler wrote:
It seems 'tyshrel,' who joined today, is familiar with your posting history, based on a comment in the 'departure' thread, about what you long ago posted somewhere here on FM about XQD cards.... Maybe they're a long-time lurker who was suddenly inspired to join in order to counter-comment you specifically?
I was thinking it may have been someone Fred previously banned, if not one of the Nikon trolls using multiple accounts.
p.15 #12 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
Jan is a pretty good BIF/bird photographer and I trust his views
says:
- combined for him (BIF/bird/video) R5ii is looking like a big upgrade:
- much improved rolling shutter [must be a action or BIF person to notice]
- 14 bit in electronic [me - matters at iso 100 to 400 but not much beyond 800]
- 30fps vs 20fps (with program to switch back and forth) [a big deal for BIF]
- pre capture [me - sometimes my bears stand suddenly - this is good]
- better autofocus [ yes but R5 is already excellent]
- [I would add the biggest gain in my view is variable fps in electronic. I often run into the buffer. 30fps is not normally necessary and requires large culling. I would normally shoot at about 12fps to control culling and make my buffer go ~300 instead of 80. R5 is noisy at 12fps mech. The R5 at 12fps mech gets 300 shots so R5ii should too. ]
All of what he says is true, and I think if I was a primary BIF person, I would pre-order now. The buffer management (variable electronic fps) is the big deal to me, but I am Landscape shooter 10 months a year, and the gains are not obvious for landscape.
But $500 for new batteries, [$400 for cooling grip if you are video], $200 for a bigger cfexpress to manage the pre capture, $2300 USD trade in gap (R5vs R52) means $3000 USD ($4100 can) to upgrade. I am still worried that the dynamic range will decline with stacked sensor. In addition summer will be over by the time I get the camera, and I already have the Patagonia jacket . But the buffer control and best available is nagging at me.
p.15 #14 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
Scott, if you haven't pre-ordered, what are the chances of getting the first batch of cameras? I don't think there will be a notable price drop in the next year, at least, and the camera will be popular for a while. So if you can't benefit from it on first release, then it's probably worth sitting back to let the dust settle a bit. Conversely I don't think waiting until spring will save any money, if that is a primary criteria. One argument for getting it sooner is to figure out settings so that you're ready immediately in the spring when your bears are active again. But given the similarity to the R5, I wouldn't expect a steep learning curve.
I'm also curious how long it will take the likes of Neewer, SmallRig, etc, to release 'P' battery clones and/or if Canon has done something with the new battery's chip system to lock out third parties.
With the current LP-E6NH I generally run one authentic Canon and one Neewer in the BG-R10 grip to keep peak EFCS H+ fps until about 45% battery capacity is reached (compared to a fps drop at ~75% when using only non-Canon batteries). For me this seems to be a reasonable compromise of performance and cost as I only need 50% of my batteries to be OEM. The R5II appears to change this for the time being. It will be a more energy efficient camera than the R5, but unclear how much better, if any, it will be relative to the R6II or R8 if configured similarly. Certainly the pre-capture shooting option will be a battery drain...
p.15 #15 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
Choderboy wrote:
It was satire.
An attempt to put the Z8 down saying you always have to put in a new battery, therefore making it slower.
Funny eh?
I admit it may not be funny to everyone, but I thought it was no less funny than Jordan sarcastically stating the Canon R5 was slower because he forgot how to use his R8. The humour was probably too subtle for most readers...
p.15 #16 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
Just wondering if anyone here took a hard look at the Panasonic GH7's video capabilities and compared it to the R5 II? The GH7 can shoot in ProRes RAW, support 32-bit audio, and I think real-time LUT support. Any advantages or disadvantages for the R5 II compared to the GH7?
p.15 #17 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
rscheffler wrote:
Scott, if you haven't pre-ordered, what are the chances of getting the first batch of cameras? I don't think there will be a notable price drop in the next year, at least, and the camera will be popular for a while. So if you can't benefit from it on first release, then it's probably worth sitting back to let the dust settle a bit. Conversely I don't think waiting until spring will save any money, if that is a primary criteria. One argument for getting it sooner is to figure out settings so that you're ready immediately in the spring when your bears are active again. But given the similarity to the R5, I wouldn't expect a steep learning curve.
I'm also curious how long it will take the likes of Neewer, SmallRig, etc, to release 'P' battery clones and/or if Canon has done something with the new battery's chip system to lock out third parties.
With the current LP-E6NH I generally run one authentic Canon and one Neewer in the BG-R10 grip to keep peak EFCS H+ fps until about 45% battery capacity is reached (compared to a fps drop at ~75% when using only non-Canon batteries). For me this seems to be a reasonable compromise of performance and cost as I only need 50% of my batteries to be OEM. The R5II appears to change this for the time being. It will be a more energy efficient camera than the R5, but unclear how much better, if any, it will be relative to the R6II or R8 if configured similarly. Certainly the pre-capture shooting option will be a battery drain......Show more →
Has Canon ever dropped the price within a year of release? I think even the R5 took over a year before a price drop. I certainly don't expect anything from Canon until it's competitors release their next-gen competing products.
p.15 #18 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
rscheffler wrote:
Scott, if you haven't pre-ordered, what are the chances of getting the first batch of cameras? I don't think there will be a notable price drop in the next year, at least, and the camera will be popular for a while. So if you can't benefit from it on first release, then it's probably worth sitting back to let the dust settle a bit. Conversely I don't think waiting until spring will save any money, if that is a primary criteria. One argument for getting it sooner is to figure out settings so that you're ready immediately in the spring when your bears are active again. But given the similarity to the R5, I wouldn't expect a steep learning curve.
I'm also curious how long it will take the likes of Neewer, SmallRig, etc, to release 'P' battery clones and/or if Canon has done something with the new battery's chip system to lock out third parties.
With the current LP-E6NH I generally run one authentic Canon and one Neewer in the BG-R10 grip to keep peak EFCS H+ fps until about 45% battery capacity is reached (compared to a fps drop at ~75% when using only non-Canon batteries). For me this seems to be a reasonable compromise of performance and cost as I only need 50% of my batteries to be OEM. The R5II appears to change this for the time being. It will be a more energy efficient camera than the R5, but unclear how much better, if any, it will be relative to the R6II or R8 if configured similarly. Certainly the pre-capture shooting option will be a battery drain......Show more →
I agree with you. The price is not likely to fall. But in the winter, I do usually visit Yellowstone (big wide open needing more reach than I can buy. R5ii won't do much for this) and Florida Everglades ( my r8 can do pre capture as long as I am not reach challenged / cropping). And I a really want to understand the dynamic range before buying. So I am thinking r7 first and then who knows maybe canon will wake up and make a 85mpx body.
Likely it will take 6 months to make a new battery but I am cautious about batteries. Saving $40 that risks my house burning down does not make sense.
I am going to touch and feel the r5 and r3 tomorrow - canon is visiting - I will be testing the buffer. Mabye that will get me excited enough.
p.15 #19 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
lsquare wrote:
Has Canon ever dropped the price within a year of release? I think even the R5 took over a year before a price drop. I certainly don't expect anything from Canon until it's competitors release their next-gen competing products.
They will start hitting the used market soon enough. Curious to see how much I can save?
p.15 #20 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications
rscheffler wrote:
Scott, if you haven't pre-ordered, what are the chances of getting the first batch of cameras?...
Absolutely zero, Canon updated their day one ship date from the first (or second, can't remember) of August to the 20th. I think that happened on the second or third day of presales.
. But the buffer control and best available is nagging at me.