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Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications

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It sounds like a fine, functional camera, and I think the price is not out of line with expectations given the price of its predecessor and the effects of inflation. However…

For years one of my arguments against “switching” has gone like this: If you use Brand A right now and you just saw Brand B come out with a new thing that has more advanced features, you might be tempted to jump to Brand B. But typically every new introduction by any brand exceeds the feature set of its competition, and when Brand A comes out with its next upgrade it will likely exceed the capabilities of Brand B again. Over time, it is generally best to stick with one brand.”

I’m afraid that, at least at first appearance, Canon may be proving me wrong wis the R5II and probably the R1. Both seem like they more or less almost catch up with the older models of the other brands, but they certainly don’t seem to move things forward significantly if at all.

If anyone can remember my posts over the years (yeah, can’t count on that…) I have long been skeptical that the there was much reason to move away from Canon even if other brands seemed to have a few temporary advantages. Now I’m not so sure. Perhaps I’m wrong, but at this point, at least when it comes to camera bodies, Canon is languishing somewhere in the range between “about as good as” and “consistently a bit behind” the alternatives.

Disappointed.

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arbitrage wrote:
Jeff Bezos will lend me one as he did the A9III and other cameras before that.

Cool, how soon?

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:01 AM

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This seems to be the 5DII>5DIII incremental update, rinse and repeat. Certainly the stacked sensor will benefit some (video, pfft). I'll be curious to see if the low-light sensor performance has changed.

It's too bad Canon has appeared to mostly abandon stills shooters in their consumer cameras, in deference to primarily pushing video capabilities. Glad I bought a second R5 awhile back, flipped a coin and came out OK. I guess it's now indeed time to look elsewhere for the successor to the 5Ds.

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:02 AM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications

Does the R5 Mark II conduct 14-bit A/D conversion for all shutter modes? On the R5 it decreased to 13-bit for H+ and 12-bit for electronic shutter.

Edit: in the videos they released today, both Jan Wegener and Petapixel claim it is always 14-bit.

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I am curious to know this:

Who out there is going to buy this because it does something that their current version, or other camera cannot do acceptably? And what is that need that you are filling?

Are these changes (and the competition between brands on relatively obscure features) a big deal or mostly bragging rights?

In what way does this camera change the game for a working professional or advanced amatur?

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:05 AM

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gdanmitchell wrote:
It sounds like a fine, functional camera, and I think the price is not out of line with expectations given the price of its predecessor and the effects of inflation. However…

For years one of my arguments against “switching” has gone like this: If you use Brand A right now and you just saw Brand B come out with a new thing that has more advanced features, you might be tempted to jump to Brand B. But typically every new introduction by any brand exceeds the feature set of its competition, and when Brand A comes out with its next upgrade...Show more →

Isn’t the gap even larger with lenses?

Especially for wildlife I would argue, which is one of the areas where 35mm remains the best option.

Landscape/still/architecture/… is obviously owned by Fuji GFX these days, no 35mm camera comes close in terms of resolution and lenses. Their 20-35mm f4 is way better than any Nikon/Sony/Canon wide lens, so is their 120mm f4, not to mention their new T/S lenses.

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:11 AM

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lighthound wrote:
Cool, how soon?

I don't know....probably in the fall sometime. I may just borrow my friend's R5II (as she plans to preorder and get it day one) instead. If I get the Bezos loaner I'd have to get a 100-500 lens also. Or I may renew my CPS Platinum and get the R5II with a better lens like RF600 as I did when I tested the R3 from CPS.

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:13 AM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications

Here is my summary:

https://petapixel.com/2024/07/17/how-the-canon-eos-r5-ii-compares-to-its-peers-spec-for-spec/

Keeping in mind I am a still landscape and big animal (bear) photographer, with occasional 4k video of my grandson and bears.

$4300

Big Animal:
-30fps electronic - with no 12 bit drop - great on 14 bit and adjustable 20, 15, 10 or 5fps.
- pre burst is improved - not in container - but no ability to set pre burst time - fixed at 0.5s - good for me but will require more culling and bigger card to be useful
- precapture requires more power so older batteries (same form factor) will not be adequate requiring more new batteries - would cost me some money say 5x$100 and obsoletes a bunch of batteries. Newer batteries give higher output but not longer life
- 45mpx / bsi / stacked - delivers much improved rolling shutter but not perfect - good
- sd and cfexpress - type 4? - not - bit improved but not much
[Jan reports - Not much improved buffer based on video above (200craw vs 130 before and possibly stutter after. Was hoping for v4 of Cfexpress (not)] Petapixel says 93 raw on buffer which is perhaps 10% better than r5. Jury is out her for me, if R5ii can improve the 4s buffer clear with my fastest card it could be an improvement but not likely since not v4.
- The variable 30,20,15, 10, 5 should enables better buffer than r5ii - a big improvement.
- eye focus where you look- meh so far to me - my eyes are not that good and I wear glasses
- better features - preprogramming people - for sticky - mostly meh for me because my grandson is 10 months and not into sports yet
- analog switch between video and still - good
- no blackout
- has a new blur detect feature - which highlights pictures not blurred - which should be helpful to culling

Video:
- 8k raw 60/fps - meh to me - if I am slow mo'ing bears I want faster
- optional grips for video to manage heat - meh to me but useful to video centric people
- HDMI full - does not matter to me - meh to me but useful to video people
- Jordan - petal pixel says much improved rolling shutter
- more dynamic range re Clog2
- front light to indicate recording - good for video people but I will tape it over to not be noticeable for my bears
- dual shooting - stills while in video
- good on heating for 2 hours with fan grip
- don't see specifically a 30m + recording but canon propaganda above says 2hour video without overheating which implies >30min

Stills/Landscape:
- 45mpx is okay but not improved from r5 - meh to me
- IBIS 8.5 stops - meh to me, I am either action or tripod and my animals move
- Newer batteries give higher output but not longer life - would cost me 5x$100 negative
- have not seen any reports on better or same dynamic range - am looking

Other:
3 optional grips - just more battery, ethernet grip, or cooling grip - all in the range of $400 use - meh to me

My gut feel right now is:
- Preburst is improved to be useful (not container) but would require $500 in new batteries and a much bigger card and culling - okay you can just leave it on with culling penalty.
- 30 fps is better and worse - better in more options but worse in culling, and 14 bit, you can turn the speed down
- Negatives of $4300 and $500 for new batteries and would need bigger
- dynamic range - still reading reviews and not sure where this is at
- Rolling shutter is way improved, but this is not a big deal for me in video and stills
- Buffer not much improved as reported yet.
- Analog video vs stills is good

I am considering preordering for the 14bit adjustable fps and precapture for bears, but I am not in a big rush because bear season ends in early September. Most of the features added are more for BIF and video. For mostly still photographers, the R5II is not much improved over the already excellent R5 (good news for buying R5).

For video centric shooters, the R5ii is a must have for clog2, heat management with fan grip, and poxy and other features.

For BIF centric shooter, lots of improvements (biggest is much improved rolling shutter, variable fps, electronic, 14 bit electronic and preburst [with culling), improved A/f, it feels like desirable. [14 bit does not matter much at high iso, pre burst will come with lots of work eg 30vs20fps and fixed 0.5s and lots of new batteries]. Most serious BIF people will be highly tempted

So I think in total its not much of an improvement from R5ii for stills --- so if you have lots of Canon lens and are BIF and Video focussed, it will be good for you. For landscape, so far it appears that 5dsr (50mpx, no aa) and R5 (price) are more tempting.

As a Canon captive photographer (enough lens to stay and good enough), I would like Canon to remain #1 in market, so that ancillary are readily available. Perhaps Canon can fix precapture in hardware updates, but why did they not get this right after several years. I think the video capability is going to be very appealing to video people. The R1 has too little mpx to be a serious choice for landscape or cropping. Overall, I would say that the R5 has enough new features (30fps, pre burst, variable fps 14bit electronic, clog2, overheating protection features, >30s video...) that it is clearly better for anyone who is not strictly focussed on landscape on at tripod - a winner!

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[revised - to reflect variable electronic speeds]

[rolling shutter 40% improved - I read somewhere]

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · Official Canon EOS R5 Mark II Images & Specifications

Adding the first "official" link to the specs.

https://www.usa.canon.com/newsroom/2024/20240717-camera

MELVILLE, N.Y., July 17, 2024 — Canon U.S.A., Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, today launched two new professional full-frame mirrorless cameras, the EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II. The EOS R1 camera is designed for both professional still photographers and video creators in a wide range of fields including sports, news reporting and high-end video production. The EOS R5 Mark II camera features improved video focused features for the advanced creators and real-time multi recognition tracking system for those who focus on still photography.

Canon EOS R1 Camera is “Ahead of the Game”

Canon’s EOS 1-series legacy continues with the...Show more →

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-R5-Mark-II.aspx

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r5-ii-initial-review

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:16 AM

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Jul 17, 2024 at 09:17 AM

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bernardl wrote:
Isn’t the gap even larger with lenses?

Especially for wildlife I would argue, which is one of the areas where 35mm remains the best option.

Landscape/still/architecture/… is obviously owned by Fuji GFX these days, no 35mm camera comes close in terms of resolution and lenses. Their 20-35mm f4 is way better than any Nikon/Sony/Canon wide lens, so is their 120mm f4, not to mention their new T/S lenses.

I feel like Canon lenses are fine, and the RF series seems to both break some new ground and maintain or enhance optical and functional quality in most ways. There are — as with any brand — a few disappointments perhaps, but there are a lot of good options, too.

I have a more nuanced view of the GFX alternative. The 100MP sensors are quite good for many purposes. The lenses that Fujifilm produces for the system are optically very good from all reports. (I’ve experimented with one of the bodies and one lens, and I have friends/colleagues who use the system.)

But from my perspective there are some concerns still. Fujifilm could address them, but so far, no go:

1. Leaving aside the qualty of the G system lenses, I’m not really satisfied with the range so far available. I know some are, and I’m glad for them, but as a person who relies on zoom lenses from 16mm to 400mm for landscape photography, I’m disappointed that Fujifilm hasn’t produced something liek a 200-400 or 200-500 zoom. (The interest in such things is easy to deduce in Fujifilm forums — just look at the number of people settling for adapting things like the EF 100-400.)

2. In addition, the relationships between the Fujifilm zooms is odd. If you want to cover (just!) the 20mm-200mm range with no gaps you will need to buy four lenses: 20-35, 35–70 or 32-64, 45-100, 100-200. Some will tell you that Fujifilm has no choice since “MF lenses can’t have wide focal length ranges.” But the 33x44 sensor lies midway between FF and the 645, so they could stretch these ranges for better coverage. But they stick with the old-school film MF approach.

3. There are other functional downsides to GFX, at least from the perspective of those of us used to FF. The system is significantly slower. AF is not at nearly the same level. While it is remarkably compact for a bigger-than-FF system, it is still pretty large. (Though the biggest FF system bodies are in the same range as the GFX 100s I.) The overall system can be more expensive than what you might be used to coming from FF. (Though the R5ii and the GFX 100s II bodies are now close to the same price…)

The GFX option can be a really great one if it fits, and there’s no question it does fit for a number of photographers. For example, those moving “down” from tradition MF and LF film don’t see these things as limitations, and they see the smaller system size as a significant plus. But those of us used to shooting excellent and flexible FF systems will find some issues.

I’ve been holding off on updating from my excellent 5DsR and EF lens system for a long time now. It works really well for landscape photography still. I’m going back and forth between accepting the 45MP Canon offerings, moving to the now-excellent Sony system, or moving to GFX and resolving to adapt some lenses. At the current moment, I’d say that the Sony option is probably the most appealing in my situation, with the GFX option in second place, and Canon now firmly bringing up the rear.

(And, yes, for me FF remains the best option for wildlife, something I photograph every winter. That’s a negative on the GFX system for sure, though I have some other system options to consider.)

But enough about me… ;-)

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arbitrage wrote:
****EDIT*****. DPReview is incorrect in their spec list....all other sources I've found say it is RAW pre-capture as low as 0.5s (would be better to get less time as 0.5s is overkill...0.3s is ideal for birds).

Personally, when testing the a9III, I greatly appreciated the option of setting the pre-capture time to ~0.5s. Sometimes I'm just not that fast, you know?

0.3s is right about where most people need to be as far as response time, but that's if you're 100% dialed in and wide awake. lol

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:43 AM

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gdanmitchell wrote:
It sounds like a fine, functional camera, and I think the price is not out of line with expectations given the price of its predecessor and the effects of inflation. However…

For years one of my arguments against “switching” has gone like this: If you use Brand A right now and you just saw Brand B come out with a new thing that has more advanced features, you might be tempted to jump to Brand B. But typically every new introduction by any brand exceeds the feature set of its competition, and when Brand A comes out with its next upgrade...Show more →

I've thought about switching brands multiple times recently, and after looking at the numbers, the cost of switching is often equivalent to or exceeds the cost of a photography focused trip, while the benefits of switching are likely not all that great. The R5ii looks like it's better than the A1 (my current main body) in many ways, but not better enough for me.

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:43 AM

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My gut reaction, from owning both an R5 and a Z8 and from reading what you have read about the R5ii is basically that the R5II is clearly overpriced. List on the Z8, its major competitor, is $3500 and you can buy a new one right now on FM for $3000. The new batteries are a big negative imo, assuming you can't use the old batts if you want full function of the camera. Readout speed is another big disappointment. In today's world, like it or not, that is one of the key performance metrics more and more advanced camera users are looking towards. Precapture will be a good plus, but it doesn't sound like this implementation moves the bar a huge amount from what others are doing. Better lcd from R3 another plus, but again it doesn't really move the bar much.

The biggest unanswered question for me then becomes just how much better/faster is the new af system. The R5 was still, amazingly, pretty competitive with the Z8 imo...So if Canon has some big improvements that will be a very big plus if it leapfrogs over the competition in a significant way, but otherwise I'm left with my first impression...that the camera is priced too high and discounts will be coming sooner than you think. I've been shooting both Nikon and Canon, and I was hoping the R5II would get me back to Canon, but it might get me back to Nikon with their more innovative lens lineup in the long end.

But I guess we'll see how it performs in the real world in terms of DR, AF and some of the new features. Also, at the end of the day the R5, R5II, Z8 and a bunch of others are all pretty amazing cameras!

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arbitrage wrote:
If I was an R5 shooter, I would buy this day 1 for the following reasons:
1) Stacked sensor...game changer while actively firing on a BIF (I've enjoyed this with A1 and Z8/Z9)
2) RAW precapture...game changer for some really cool shots (I experienced this with A9III)
3) 30FPS over 20....more is always better. (A9III's 120FPS was starting to be a bit overkill but even 60FPS on A9III was great)

I think I would would revise your statement to say:
If I was an R5 shooter focussed on BIF or video, I would buy this on day 1. 14bit in electronic is nice to have. The precapture is nice but not adjustable enough. The buffer is still not as good as it could be (about the same at 30fps as the R5 20fps which is good and bad). It's not yet clear to me if the fps is adjustable from 30fps in electronic which might lead to culling nightmare especially in pre burst. For BIF, the 30fsp and much lessened rolling shutter would be enough to switch but the precaptures already needs a hardware fix for more options on 0.5s, and the buffer is still limited by cfexpress v2.

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berimbolo wrote:
I've thought about switching brands multiple times recently, and after looking at the numbers, the cost of switching is often equivalent to or exceeds the cost of a photography focused trip, while the benefits of switching are likely not all that great. The R5ii looks like it's better than the A1 (my current main body) in many ways, but not better enough for me.

I’m generally very skeptical of switching.

However, at the current moment my system uses all EF lenses. So if I decided to move to a R system body I would expect to move to RF lenses, too. And that means that it would be no more cost effective to stick with Canon than to switch. For me, oddly enough, the introduction of R/RF provides a rare opportunity to view staying with Canon or switching has having equal costs.

(Along these lines, if I had a R5 system and lenses I would not be considering the other brands at this point. I’d be somewhat disappointed in the delta between R5 and R5ii, but with RF lenses in hand I would almost certainly stick with the R5 and existing lenses rather than make an expensive switch to Sony or Nikon.)

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:48 AM

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I think I would would revise your statement to say:
If I was an R5 shooter focussed on BIF or video, I would buy this on day 1. The precapture is nice but not adjustable enough. The buffer is still not as good as it could be (about the same at 30fps as the R5 20fps which is good and bad). It's not yet clear to me if the fps is adjustable from 30fps in electronic. For BIF, the 30fsp and much lessened rolling shutter would be enough to switch but the precaptures already needs a hardware fix for more...Show more →

I said "If I"...
FPS can be 20, 15,10,5 (exact same as A1)
30FPS gets you the same 200 CRAW which means at 20FPS one should have a much deeper buffer than the R5. But less shooting time at 30FPS than you would have had at 20FPS (10s down to 6.7s)
Adjustable pre-capture will hopefully be added. At least for most things 0.5s is a happy medium...I used either 0.3 or 0.4s for birds on the A9III. I'd like to see some lower options but I can't see any use of longer ones for my type of photography.

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:50 AM

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Scott Stoness wrote:
Here is my summary:

https://petapixel.com/2024/07/17/how-the-canon-eos-r5-ii-compares-to-its-peers-spec-for-spec/

Keeping in mind I am a still landscape and big animal (bear) photographer, with occasional 4k video of my grandson and bears.

$4300

Big Animal:
-30fps electronic - with no 12 bit drop - great on 14 bit but not clear if adjustable which is mostly a negative to me if it does not vs 20fps for capturing too many pictures
- pre burst is improved - not in container - but no ability to set pre burst time - fixed at 0.5s - good for me but will require more culling and bigger card to be useful
- precapture requires...Show more →

I think you might be wrong about a few of your assumptions here.

According to DPReview, the R5 Mark II frame rate is variable in electronic shutter mode:

If 30fps is too much for the shooting you do, the camera can be customized to shoot at 20, 15, 10 or 5fps instead...

According to Petapixel, RAW buffer depth is effectively doubled if shooting C-RAW.

The camera is being reported now to be 14-bit in all capture modes.

Nobody has had a chance yet to evaluate the camera's eye control, or new "smart" features like blur detection for automatic culling in a burst, registered person recognition, or the new activity-aware autofocus algorithms. For certain photographers with certain workflows, these features could be game changers.

Other than having a slightly faster sensor readout speed, I'm not sure what you feel puts the Z8 ahead of this camera.

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:54 AM

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arbitrage wrote:
I said "If I"...
FPS can be 20, 15,10,5 (exact same as A1)
30FPS gets you the same 200 CRAW which means at 20FPS one should have a much deeper buffer than the R5. But less shooting time at 30FPS than you would have had at 20FPS (10s down to 6.7s)
Adjustable pre-capture will hopefully be added. At least for most things 0.5s is a happy medium...I used either 0.3 or 0.4s for birds on the A9III. I'd like to see some lower options but I can't see any use of longer ones for my type of photography.

Noted about "I". I was not being critical just being helpful to other than "I"

I am still looking for the reference to adjustable fps in electronic. Where have you seen this. That would be a big deal to me. It might make the difference to me in pre-ordering. Would cause higher buffer usability and less culling.

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RickPJ wrote:
I am curious to know this:

Who out there is going to buy this because it does something that their current version, or other camera cannot do acceptably? And what is that need that you are filling?

Are these changes (and the competition between brands on relatively obscure features) a big deal or mostly bragging rights?

In what way does this camera change the game for a working professional or advanced amatur?

I have an R5 and use it for sports and dance performances. It does well, but being able to select different fps in electronic shutter is nice to have, I don’t use electronic most of the time since I rarely need 20fps, but having 10 and 15 would get me to use that more.
Jeff Cable tested the R1 and R5II and said the AF is 95% of what the R1 has, and has eye control, that alone is worth upgrading for me since the R5 frequently finds the wrong athlete or dancer. He said the eye control is much better than what the R3 has. Jeff is an Olympics sports shooter if you don’t know who he is.
I can’t use the R5 in electronic shutter for dance performances since the LED lights cause banding at my local theaters. If the R5II has the variable shutter speed like the R6II does, that is worth it.
Precapture will be nice to have, there are enough times when I am slightly slow on the shutter that I miss a peak leap in a performance, or might have captured better action in sports.

I’m going to wait to see some more hands on reports before I decide to get another R5 or the MkII, but the initial reports are looking like it’s worth the upgrade for my business. I may decide to get an R3 if the used prices look good since the R1 looks to be a good improvement and there might be a lot of them hitting the market this fall.

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:56 AM

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