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p.1 #1 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


Full review has been published on my website: https://www.scotttuckerphoto.com/blog/the-nikon-zf-a-perfect-mess-for-daily-photography



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Jul 10, 2024 at 04:05 PM
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p.1 #2 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


Its real strength is with a Z voigtlander on it.


Jul 10, 2024 at 04:32 PM
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p.1 #3 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


taildraggin wrote:
Its real strength is with a Z voigtlander on it.


Yeah I got that memo late. I'm on the hunt for a 35 APO-Lanthar. FML



Jul 10, 2024 at 04:35 PM
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p.1 #4 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


The Voigtlander Z lenses are a treat. We’re spoiled for image quality, build/craftsmanship, lens aesthetics (they do look great on the Zf) and of course that little green box (what a feature)!

I like the 28mm focal length, but I’m nowhere near skilled enough to make it look average, let alone good. However, for a fun walk around lens I bought the Brightin Star 28mm f2.8 pancake. If you like zone focusing (f8-11 and be there) it’s almost as much fun as you can have fully clothed. One caveat, purchase an adapter from Brightin Star. I’ve tried at least 5 for the Z mount from various manufacturers and none fit well. The one I’m using now takes significant force to click into place- so much so that I now use them as a unit. However it focuses perfectly to infinity so I’m done trying. I do have another one for my daughter’s Sony A7 that works almost perfectly.

Enjoy your Zf!



Jul 10, 2024 at 06:49 PM
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p.1 #5 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


I agree predominantly with your assessment. I love my Z8 and got the Zf as a backup but I enjoy shooting with it enough that I actually end up splitting my use pretty evenly between them. I agree that the files are beautiful. I took it to Italy as my main camera and I was continually impressed how flexible it was in post once I got back home. Really pleased with it.


Jul 10, 2024 at 06:51 PM
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p.1 #6 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


RoamingScott wrote:
Yeah I got that memo late. I'm on the hunt for a 35 APO-Lanthar. FML


50 APO is still available. 35mm is for people who compose in Lightroom. 😂

Just to turn the worm, it leaves some space to justify the 40/1.2, too.

Personally, I like “fast” to be on the 50 (50/1 short working distance 85) for portraits (and night) and have the 35/2 for daytime/all-purpose. ‘Course, I had to get the 50 APO, cuz love. Haven’t used any other lenses since Feb.

Key with the f/2s in particular is fast focus. I don’t miss AF.



Jul 10, 2024 at 08:05 PM
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p.1 #7 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


I have zero use for 50mm personally. Neve jived with it and probably never will. The 40/2 is a weird lens that punches way beyond itself so that’s the easy AF option and then the 35 is the IQ monster for slower shooting.

I’ve owned the 40/1.2 and found the Ultron 40/2 to be the far better lens from 2.0 and beyond. The 1.2 has major problems wide open that I didn’t want to deal with.

I have GFX if and when I need to obliterate everything past someone’s temples.



Jul 10, 2024 at 08:33 PM
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p.1 #8 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


When I went to Namibia, I was taking Z8/Z9 and tried to decide between my Z7 ii or Zf as a third body.
I decided to go with Zf and I am glad I took it. It packed smaller than Z7 ii and having 14 kgs of camera gear, any little bit help. Carrying z8/z9 with 100-400, 600pf or 24-70, the Zf with smaller lenses like Leica 50/2apo or bigger lens like 135/1.8 Plena made carrying them around a bit easier as once I leave
my accomodation, no lens change on the road until I came back in door as we had strong East wind and sand/dust everywhere.



Jul 10, 2024 at 09:21 PM
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p.1 #9 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


RoamingScott wrote:
After talking to a few users about how exactly auto ISO is handled on the camera, I came to the conclusion that I could use the EC dial to make it workable without needing to futz with the ISO dial nearly ever.

I still think Nikon not including an A on the ISO dial was one the dumbest design decisions on a camera I've seen in many years.

Anyways...now that THAT is behind us...

(and a sidenote: all these impressions are with a SmallRig grip attached)

+ The files. I was not prepared for how different the files are from the Z8 and Z9
...Show more

I’ve said it a few times- There are a bunch of useless buttons on the top of the ZF- Manual only operation or PASM-

Most frustrating thing ever IMO-

I wish they went Full Fuji/Leica with this camera and moved away from PASM but for some reason felt the need to neuter it- No A on the ISO dial is a prime example of that- and on the Shutter




Jul 10, 2024 at 11:58 PM
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p.1 #10 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


Something is rotten in the state of ZF metering...the ZF is supposed to have better dynamic range than the Z9 at nearly every ISO, but explain this.

Nikon Z9 - I shoot in matrix metering almost always with an eye on the histogram for highlights. I'll use EC to nudge the exposure down if needed but that's rare. I have a lot of success with lowering and retaining highlights, even down to -100 in LR, while shooting matrix on the Z9.

ZF - All initial testing has been in matrix. In theory, I should need to recover highlights less at +_0 compared to the Z9.

Well, that's not at all what I'm seeing. Highlights are routinely completely blown at EV 0 on the ZF where they are fine on the Z9. Testing in AV mode with Auto ISO and same metering modes. This is a typical shooting style of mine with an manual lens, so that's how we're gonna test. Some A/B examples:

Z9 - Matrix mode - Highlights recovered to -100

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53849073072_0fd43b4feb_h.jpg

ZF - Matrix mode - Highlights recovered to -100

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53850327434_9f2732864a_h.jpg

Z9 - Highlight mode - EV + 3.75 - Highlights recovered to -100

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53849073177_24f5b14239_h.jpg

ZF - Highlight mode - EV + 3.5 - Highlights recovered to -100

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53849073177_24f5b14239_h.jpg




Jul 11, 2024 at 10:20 AM
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p.1 #11 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


The takeaway from above is that the ZF basically has to be shot somewhere between 0 and -3.5 to retain any useable highlights in any high contrast situation.

In further testing, EC -1.0 seems to be the minimum to shoot with matrix to retain any color in the highlights, though they are still trending quite grey at EC -1.0. What the hell?

I tested with a native Z AF lens, adapted Nikon F lens, and CV manual lens, and all give the same results.



Jul 11, 2024 at 10:24 AM
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p.1 #12 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


RoamingScott wrote:
The takeaway from above is that the ZF basically has to be shot somewhere between 0 and -3.5 to retain any useable highlights in any high contrast situation.

In further testing, EC -1.0 seems to be the minimum to shoot with matrix to retain any color in the highlights, though they are still trending quite grey at EC -1.0. What the hell?

I tested with a native Z AF lens, adapted Nikon F lens, and CV manual lens, and all give the same results.


Are you by chance in highlight weight matrix metering on the Z9?



Jul 11, 2024 at 10:38 AM
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p.1 #13 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


BSPhotog wrote:
Are you by chance in highlight weight matrix metering on the Z9?


Not sure what you mean. There is "matrix" and there is "highlight weighted". AFAIK there's no blend of the two. Tests posted above were done in both settings on both cameras.

The cruz of the issue is that the Z9 rightly chose ISO64 for both modes and adjusted the shutter speed accordingly.

The ZF chose ISO1250 for matrix (which destroyed the highlights) and ISO110 for highlight (which allowed recovery via EC +3.5 in post).

The core issue is that the Z9 tries to get you close to base ISO and the ZF simply doesn't. You can see the highlight line of the histogram nearly pegged in matrix, where the Z9 line is about 20%.

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Jul 11, 2024 at 10:43 AM
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p.1 #14 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


RoamingScott wrote:
Not sure what you mean. There is "matrix" and there is "highlight weighted". AFAIK there's no blend of the two. Tests posted above were done in both settings on both cameras.

The cruz of the issue is that the Z9 rightly chose ISO64 for both modes and adjusted the shutter speed accordingly.

The ZF chose ISO1250 for matrix (which destroyed the highlights) and ISO110 for highlight (which allowed recovery via EC +3.5 in post).

Where did you have the focus point for each photo and which AF mode were you in? Matrix metering evaluates the whole scene but will still bias to create the "correct" exposure on the focus point. Can you provide EXIF data for each photo?


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Jul 11, 2024 at 10:49 AM
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p.1 #15 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


Wezre wrote:
Where did you have the focus point for each photo? Matrix metering evaluates the whole scene but will still bias to create the "correct" exposure on the focus point. Can you provide EXIF data for each photo?


Focus point was on a white stripe of the flag for all photos. Yes, I know how cameras work

The reason this came to light was from a walkabout shoot last night where I had completely unrecoverable white skies on Auto ISO/AV where I've never seen that on the Z9. It's obvious the ZF Auto ISO trends higher than the Z9 in the same scenarios.

I've never seen this discussed with the ZF, so it's worth talking about. When you shoot a lot of different bodies and brands, idiosyncrasies like these are immediately noticeable. What's even more frustrating is I pointed my X100 at the same scene and got a nice blue sky and well exposed flag using its version of matrix (evaluative). This is a braindead scene. I have no idea why the ZF is eating glue here.



Jul 11, 2024 at 10:51 AM
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p.1 #16 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


Ok, so the behavior of Auto ISO is affected by the settings discussed in here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1865164/

If the dial is set to C, the ZF meters in matrix like the Z9. It prioritizes base ISO until the shutter speed can no longer overcome the light. If set to "dial sets max Auto ISO", it raises the "base" ISO it tries to use for reasons unknown.

We're back to "this camera has the worst Auto ISO I've ever used".



Jul 11, 2024 at 11:02 AM
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p.1 #17 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


No horse in this race but you're pretty consistent at including Exif info in your linked images. However, in this one time where data could be needed to aid the discussion, there is none in the linked pictures. All people have to go with are your conclusions.


Jul 11, 2024 at 11:02 AM
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p.1 #18 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


SiMuMe wrote:
No horse in this race but you're pretty consistent at including Exif info in your linked images. However, in this one time where data could be needed to aid the discussion, there is none in the linked pictures. All people have to go with are your conclusions.


This is me learning out loud. As mentioned above, this behavior is caused by the ISO dial setting on anything but "C".

Now I'm trying to understand why anyone would use the dial in that way.



Jul 11, 2024 at 11:07 AM
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p.1 #19 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


Digging through the manual, I'm seeing the B5 option to adjust each metering method by up to +-1 stop, which is actually very handy for highlight weighted mode. By default, highlight weighted has a very heavy hand and underexposes more than it really needs to, so setting this to +2/6 helps balance it.


Jul 11, 2024 at 11:31 AM
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p.1 #20 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


Improbably, I'm really enjoying the camera. It's like a blend of use cases between my X100V and FM3a.

The 40/2 is a fine lens for mindless AF walkabouting, but doesn't inspire in the least.

I picked up the CV 35 APO for it, and the IQ paired with the sensor is phenomenal for 24mp. The colors, the sharpness at f2, the ability to shoot wide open midday wide open thanks to 1/8000 mech shutter.

There are things I really dislike about the camera, but it's an odd case of the on paper negatives not adding up to real life dealbreakers like you'd think they would. I can see the peak use case for this camera as a trip's B cam with just the 35 APO for documentary, walkabout, in-town, etc when shooting landscape with the GFX or wildlife/action with the Z9.

The ZF/APO combo is just too good. I wish I liked 50mm and I'd get the other.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53859976243_7a5fc32179_k.jpg



Jul 15, 2024 at 09:03 PM
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