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p.2 #1 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


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Jul 15, 2024 at 09:43 PM
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p.2 #2 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


ZF or APO?

Adamwilbert wrote:
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Jul 15, 2024 at 09:50 PM
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p.2 #3 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


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You should try Nikon's original grip if you haven't already. The main difference being it looks like an extension of the camera and materials used are same, you would not know there is a separate attachment...

RoamingScott wrote:
After talking to a few users about how exactly auto ISO is handled on the camera, I came to the conclusion that I could use the EC dial to make it workable without needing to futz with the ISO dial nearly ever.

I still think Nikon not including an A on the ISO dial was one the dumbest design decisions on a camera I've seen in many years.

Anyways...now that THAT is behind us...

(and a sidenote: all these impressions are with a SmallRig grip attached)

+ The files. I was not prepared for how different the files are from the Z8 and Z9
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Jul 16, 2024 at 04:16 PM
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Gunigaon wrote:
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You should try Nikon's original grip if you haven't already. The main difference being it looks like an extension of the camera and materials used are same, you would not know there is a separate attachment...



I thought Jordan commented that it was bit smaller than the SmallRig and that ultimately the SmallRig was the best one for the job. I need to find that thread.

edit: he compared the leofoto, neewer, and smallrig. what is the nikon grip if not the insanely overpriced Japanese one?



Jul 16, 2024 at 04:28 PM
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Nice overview of the Zf Scott....curious.....are you keeping your x100v (I think)?

Since getting the Zf, I've been using it more as my 'casual' camera than my x100v. Yeah, it's a bit bigger and clunkier than the x100 body, but it's nice having all my cameras under one brand where they can compliment each other and share accessories. Seemed it was like relearning a new system every time using the x100.

Well...that was my plan a few months ago....replace the x100v with the Zf......but it hasn't materialized. I keep talking myself out of selling the x100v, even while it goes mostly unused.

Curious what your plans or thoughts are....Zf over x100 or keeping both?



Jul 16, 2024 at 06:15 PM
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jcnemy wrote:
Nice overview of the Zf Scott....curious.....are you keeping your x100v (I think)?

Since getting the Zf, I've been using it more as my 'casual' camera than my x100v. Yeah, it's a bit bigger and clunkier than the x100 body, but it's nice having all my cameras under one brand where they can compliment each other and share accessories. Seemed it was like relearning a new system every time using the x100.

Well...that was my plan a few months ago....replace the x100v with the Zf......but it hasn't materialized. I keep talking myself out of selling the x100v, even while it goes mostly
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Thanks JC. That is a good question and one I've been thinking a lot about.

I bought the 35 APO as the primary lens that will live on the ZF. It has better sharpness, better bokeh, better colors/coatings and a world class manual focus experience compared to the X100V, and I can still shoot it wide open midday without an ND as the ZF goes to 1/8000th in mech shutter... but will I miss AF? I don't know yet. I only use Single Point AF in AF-S on the X100V because the AF is so bad...I don't trust face detect at all on it, so in practice getting a face in focus is either an exercise in joystick manipulation or sheer luck using Eye AF.

I really do enjoy the JPEG output of the Fuji as well as the DR400 setting...I wish Nikon had something similar. It's so brilliant that it bears copying. On the flip side, the RAW files from the ZF are brilliant and in a league of their own compared to the Fuji.

The X100V is a MUCH smaller total package and could easily get into places the ZF would be looked at and judged. People never seem to pay any attention to the Fuji where the ZF seems to get more looks, for the worse. The X100V is also a far more comfortable camera to use. The materials feel so much better on it. The cold metal body in hand just feels special. I think my heart would hurt too much to ditch it.

As it stands, I have the Z9 with the ZF as a small alternative, and the GFX 100S with the 100V as the small Fuji. That's a world class kit in every regard. I cannot and will not complain I think I can find a use case for all 4 of them.

I'm telling myself that the ZF + APO is a smarter, MF-only Q.



Jul 16, 2024 at 06:30 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
ZF or APO?




Unfortunately I missed out on that last APO restock.

ZF arrived today. It’s my first digital Nikon, but so far so good.



Jul 16, 2024 at 08:51 PM
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Adamwilbert wrote:
Unfortunately I missed out on that last APO restock.

ZF arrived today. It’s my first digital Nikon, but so far so good.


Get 40 1.2-

Its an incredible little lens-



Jul 16, 2024 at 09:10 PM
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RustyRus wrote:
Get 40 1.2-

Its an incredible little lens-


Indeed it is. But it wildly different than the APOs! So just a warning for Adam, though he’s probably already aware or would quickly discover on his own.



Jul 16, 2024 at 10:12 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Thanks JC. That is a good question and one I've been thinking a lot about.

I bought the 35 APO as the primary lens that will live on the ZF. It has better sharpness, better bokeh, better colors/coatings and a world class manual focus experience compared to the X100V, and I can still shoot it wide open midday without an ND as the ZF goes to 1/8000th in mech shutter... but will I miss AF? I don't know yet. I only use Single Point AF in AF-S on the X100V because the AF is so bad...I don't trust face detect at
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Can't argue with any of those points or observations for sure! Really helps my understanding on why I haven't been able to seperate from my x100v.

Thanks for the insights and concur.....you do have a nice Nikon and Fuji kit that meets your current and future needs!

Look forward to hearing more about your adventures.




Jul 17, 2024 at 04:56 PM
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I ordered the "new" Neewer grip (CA079) from Amazon but unfortunately there's a 2 week wait. There is a 20% off coupon at the moment. I'm curious to see if the added thumb catch works better than the SmallRig.


Jul 19, 2024 at 11:23 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
I ordered the "new" Neewer grip (CA079) from Amazon but unfortunately there's a 2 week wait. There is a 20% off coupon at the moment. I'm curious to see if the added thumb catch works better than the SmallRig.


I just got both in the mail and personally prefer the smallrig so far. My thumb more naturally rides up in the space between the button and wheel with that grip.

Sidenote, perhaps there’s a better place to ask but I figured I’d start here.

If you’re in auto-area af mode and want to override when looking at the screen, with touch functionality you can add a point wherever you want to essentially override with a tap on the screen.

With your eye to the viewfinder you can do this in 3D tracking mode too with touchfn, but I can’t get it to work in auto-area with my eye to the viewfinder. Is that supposed to work? Am I missing something?



Jul 19, 2024 at 05:07 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
After talking to a few users about how exactly auto ISO is handled on the camera, I came to the conclusion that I could use the EC dial to make it workable without needing to futz with the ISO dial nearly ever.

I still think Nikon not including an A on the ISO dial was one the dumbest design decisions on a camera I've seen in many years.

Anyways...now that THAT is behind us...

(and a sidenote: all these impressions are with a SmallRig grip attached)

+ The files. I was not prepared for how different the files are from the Z8 and Z9
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Congrats, Scott. I've been off the Zf threads for a while since I sold my Zf a while back. But yesterday hell must have still been cold from your purchase because I purchased another one (sepia brown this time), and it arrives later this week.

Agree with a lot of what you say above.

The look of the Zf images you mentioned: they look like they were shot with an AA filter designed for a sensor half the Zf's resolution. The Zf images look smooth the same way medium format low ISO slide film looked on the light table – hard to see the bottom of the pond so to speak. With AA-free sensors, sometimes the resulting images look hyper real in a way that breaks the illusion that we're looking into a three dimensional scene.

That front button does always get pushed accidentally. I had to deactivate it. Hoping this time the Small Rig grip solves that leverage issue that required me to put my finger there. I also bought the Small Rig Zf cage with the wood grip to try out.

I avoided re-buying the 40 f/2. I have the Zeiss Tessar 40 2.8 C/Y I can use if I want that FOV but with much more character. Instead I chose to order the 26 2.8 pancake for when I want to run with AF and the thinnest possible setup without a grip. The Zf with the 26 may still not be EDC size, but I think it will be perfect for over the shoulder touristy stuff. I prefer the iPhone and Leica Q FOV for that type of shooting anyway.

I previously had the Voigtlander 50 APO and 40 1.2, and I won't be rebuying those, either. If I buy another Voigtlander Z lens, it will be the 50 f/1 Z. I have owned the Leica M mount version, and it had the same great color and contrast as their M APOs and was much sharper at f/1 than their f/1.2 M lenses I've tried.

I hope the success of the Zf allows Nikon to produce a more expensive Zfx with whatever sensor the Z7III will get, more premium features like a joystick, etc., add an "A" mode to the ISO dial, and so on. I don't think that would hurt Zf sales at all.



Jul 23, 2024 at 10:58 PM
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p.2 #14 · Hell froze over. My Nikon ZF impressions.


Didnt know which of all the Zf threads to pick, but it's nice that the ZF won the EISA award as "Best fullframe camera of the year". Nikon and Sony scored five wins each.

EISA is a thing in Europe

EISA



Aug 16, 2024 at 08:06 AM
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Wow Scott, after all your disparaging remarks in the past about he ZF form factor, I would never have bet you’d buy one nor enjoy it! But I’m glad you did, that was a fun writeup, thanks for sharing your extensive notes. You have me thinking about trying one.


Aug 16, 2024 at 02:05 PM
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The form factor objectively sucks. I still stand by that one!

Ross Martin wrote:
Wow Scott, after all your disparaging remarks in the past about he ZF form factor, I would never have bet you’d buy one nor enjoy it! But I’m glad you did, that was a fun writeup, thanks for sharing your extensive notes. You have me thinking about trying one.




Aug 16, 2024 at 04:31 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
I ordered the "new" Neewer grip (CA079) from Amazon but unfortunately there's a 2 week wait. There is a 20% off coupon at the moment. I'm curious to see if the added thumb catch works better than the SmallRig.


I tried it and sent back after one day.
Problem for me was it is too slick, slippery and too narrow - I wish front part was thicker, like proper grip. Plus fabric on the actual grip looked low quality, I could see edges where it was glued on it, felt plasticky.

Thumb rest - amazing feature, I wish smallrig made new version - with thumb rest and maybe better quality fabric, like real leather, or same as on body.



Aug 16, 2024 at 07:09 PM
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Yep, sent mine back. The material felt SO cheap. The SmallRig feels much more solidly built.

phinix wrote:
I tried it and sent back after one day.
Problem for me was it is too slick, slippery and too narrow - I wish front part was thicker, like proper grip. Plus fabric on the actual grip looked low quality, I could see edges where it was glued on it, felt plasticky.

Thumb rest - amazing feature, I wish smallrig made new version - with thumb rest and maybe better quality fabric, like real leather, or same as on body.




Aug 16, 2024 at 07:10 PM
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The pleather really isn't the greatest.

But the sextoy (Smallrig) is not nice to hold at all.. and it REALLY lacks that thumbrest.

If only the original Nikon Grip (with thumbrest) was more widely available and affordable...



Aug 17, 2024 at 10:20 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
The form factor objectively sucks. I still stand by that one!



I rented one when I was last in the US and took it out only once because it felt so lousy to hold. Then my M11 bricked and I regretted not having the Zf as a relatively affordable backup. Now pondering whether to pick up one. Still not sure I’d get used to the form factor, though, even with a grip.



Aug 17, 2024 at 10:56 AM
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