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Sigma 28-45mm f/1.8 DG DN Art Prime Comparison / Image Thread

  
 
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zeitlos wrote:
The only problem I generally have with Sigma (zooms) is that you have to turn the focus ring in the "wrong direction" to zoom. Is that also the case with the 28-45 1.8? I've already given two Sigma zooms back because I couldn't get used to it. If it had been my only zoom, it would probably be OK. But in combination with others from Sony or Tamron (35-150) I just turn it wrong out of habit. And I keep doing it (for me)


Well it the "Right" direction for Canon, lol. But as I said I wish they would just follow the OEM directions of twist. I'd pay for it! Although Tamron is still odd as the 70-180 has the focus ring and zoom ring in opposite spots from Sony. Hate!



Aug 20, 2024 at 07:46 PM
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ftllens wrote:
For travel portraits, I almost never tele, so to maximize context and maintain physical closer distances for more intimate perspective.

There is - at least for me - a risk of laziness involved when shooting telephoto. Increasing working distance helps to both avoid laziness and suck in context as well. That intimate perspective isn't for me, but you've made your point well.

ftllens wrote:
I travel by plane quite often so I'm sensitive to carry-on loadouts. Rn, I found my dream duo: this 28-45 and new Laowa 10mm 2.8 AF.

Do you never wish for 20mm or 15mm?

ftllens wrote:
The 28-45 has near-APO, beautiful bokeh, parfocalish, and under 1kg. Due to stellar optics, I can punch in with s35 + CiZ. For more bokeh, Luminar Neo is quite good now.

The 35-150 is quite amazing though if you need prefer the reach, but the smaller volume and bias to 28 is more important than the tele side from my experience. I attached a photo (the 28-45 fits with the hood too but I took it off since I have a VND/CPL glued on it.

In any case it's nice to have all these different loadout options.

It's great you've found a way to be satisfied with two lenses only.




Aug 21, 2024 at 04:35 AM
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I used to carry 14, 21, 35, 50, 135 primes together. Then as time went on and the bias became more towards UWA, I just went for the CV 10 5.6 (and later 9mm 5.6) which were both great but lacked the speed for flex on DoF during crops. With the Laowa 10 2.8, something like 15 f/4 and 20 5.6 is not restrictive resolution or DoF option wise in S35+/CiZ modes since I'm mainly doing video.

Tele-context does have its place for me, but I have to be like at least 5 stories away (kind of to replicate an isometric video game view). In any case it's either expenditure of emotional energy or physical energy to get good frames lol



Aug 21, 2024 at 05:07 PM
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Would anyone have an issue with me posting photos from the L-mount version of this lens taken on the SL3? I don't think this thread is cross-posted to Leica/Alt forum, so I wanted to ask.

@Fred_Miranda for possibly editing this thread so that it's cross-posted to Leica/Alt



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I wish I had crossposted this to the Leica/Alt forum when I created the thread. I have no issues with it.

highdesertmesa wrote:
Would anyone have an issue with me posting photos from the L-mount version of this lens taken on the SL3? I don't think this thread is cross-posted to Leica/Alt forum, so I wanted to ask.

@Fred_Miranda for possibly editing this thread so that it's cross-posted to Leica/Alt





Aug 30, 2024 at 02:01 PM
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tsdevine wrote:
I wish I had crossposted this to the Leica/Alt forum when I created the thread. I have no issues with it.



Thank you! My copy of the lens should arrive today along with the Sigma 70-200 2.8



Aug 30, 2024 at 02:07 PM
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Still waiting for UPS to arrive. Some 28-45 videos I found helpful:



Focal length comparisons, especially 45/1.8 cropped = look of 70/2.8




Aug 30, 2024 at 05:12 PM
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Duh (on my part), I went back to my first post and edited it.....I was able to cross post it to the Leica/Alt forum.

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Thank you! My copy of the lens should arrive today along with the Sigma 70-200 2.8





Aug 30, 2024 at 05:27 PM
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Took a few quick handheld test shots yesterday on the SL3 after the lens arrived. These are all screenshots from Capture One full screen on a 16" MPB M1 Max XDR display.

This lens reminds me so much of the GFX primes, like putting the GF 30, 45, and 63 into a single zoom.

Unless shooting brick walls or architecture, the 28mm end looks much more natural and three-dimensional when left uncorrected for distortion. The distortion correction excludes too much of the frame and flattens the natural 3d look of the lens, IMO. The distortion correction also greatly worsens the slight midframe softness at infinity at f/5.6 and wider apertures (midframe meaning the four areas of the image halfway between the center and corners).

On my same display, this is the first lens/camera combination that looks great at 300% magnification at close distances wide open. The resolving power is impressive for a prime, much less a zoom.

I can't believe people think this lens is too big or heavy. I guess if you're used to the tiny Sony bodies with small primes, I can see where you'd be coming from. But having used the Canon R5 + 28-70 f/2 for a long time a few years back, this lens feels small and light. Sure, the Canon does 70mm, but Canon also can't seem to produce a camera over 50mp. The balance on the Sigma is also perfect, and the weight is not all out at the end of the lens.

The Canon 28-70 f/2 also has a severe flaw, which I call "dog ear" vignetting when shooting wide open at 28mm ("dog ear" meaning how one folds the corner of a page of a book as a bookmark). This kind of vignetting can't be removed without a lot of effort in post. The vignetting on the Sigma is gentle and subtle – it isn't even corrected by default in Capture One. It vignettes like a lens designed for a larger sensor.
















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The other really nice attribute is that is nearly APO....or dare I say APO.

highdesertmesa wrote:
Took a few quick handheld test shots yesterday on the SL3 after the lens arrived. These are all screenshots from Capture One full screen on a 16" MPB M1 Max XDR display.

This lens reminds me so much of the GFX primes, like putting the GF 30, 45, and 63 into a single zoom.

Unless shooting brick walls or architecture, the 28mm end looks much more natural and three-dimensional when left uncorrected for distortion. The distortion correction excludes too much of the frame and flattens the natural 3d look of the lens, IMO. The distortion correction also greatly worsens the slight midframe
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tsdevine wrote:
The other really nice attribute is that is nearly APO....or dare I say APO.



I feel like Sigma has had optical and lens coatings breakthroughs recently resulting in lenses like this and their new 50 f/1.2. Optically, this zoom is on the level of the Canon RF 85 f/1.2 prime.



Aug 31, 2024 at 11:45 AM
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highdesertmesa Those detail snips are delish lol

I've shot 4 weddings with it and it's my favorite lens...



Aug 31, 2024 at 10:38 PM
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Bought this lens about ten days ago because I shoot 28(Leica Q2)-50 ~95% of the time and 28-35 ~99% of the time. The photos and comments in this thread supported my decision (thanks to those who posted photos). I compared the zoom's images during typical hand-held shooting to my 35 1.4 and 50 1.2 GM lenses and could not see a *consistent* difference. In fact, the Sigma usually looked slightly better, which surprised me. I also prefer the Sigma's rendering of the images albeit they are a little warmer. I don't find the lens too big or heavy especially as a 50 1.2 GM owner. I am afraid my Q2 reporter and 35 GM will be sold soon - the 50 GM is special so it's not going anywhere. Summary: the Sigma is a great lens that can replace your primes if you normally work within it's range.


Sep 01, 2024 at 05:18 PM
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I'm having a lot of fun shooting this lens, although haven't had a lot of quality shooting opportunities. But the images it produces are extremely nice, and the range is kind of in the wheelhouse of what I shoot.

Here is a 16 shot pixel shift image taken with my a7R V. Flickr errors out when I try to upload it, digging around it seems like there is some x by y pixel limit on what can be uploaded, even though the file is less than 200mb. For my Zenfolio account there is a 64mb limit, so I had to save this with quality 9. Also, this is the largest image I can post from Zenfolio other than the original file.







I find it a little tricky working with these really huge files. How much sharpening, etc.

Left 50% of the image at 100%



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John Straus wrote:
highdesertmesa Those detail snips are delish lol

I've shot 4 weddings with it and it's my favorite lens...


Hi, John. I'm guessing you shoot this lens on a Sony body? I'm curious as to the hit rate for eye-AF on the iris of the subject's eye at headshot distances when shooting at f/1.8 with this lens. My SL3 focuses on the eyebrows and eyelashes over the iris about half the time in low contrast light, so I'm forced to manually move the focus point and turn off eye-AF. My S5IIX and Zf had the same issue, although not quite as bad. My old Canon R5 was over 95% hit rate on the iris with the RF primes, but they don't offer this lens in RF mount obviously, so Sony would be my only other option.

Editing this post for an update: I hadn't thought to trust the SL3 continuous AF mode for eye-AF tracking, but it upped the hit rate on the iris of the eye to about 85% under the same conditions. I can live with that!

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tsdevine wrote:
I'm having a lot of fun shooting this lens, although haven't had a lot of quality shooting opportunities. But the images it produces are extremely nice, and the range is kind of in the wheelhouse of what I shoot.

Here is a 16 shot pixel shift image taken with my a7R V. Flickr errors out when I try to upload it, digging around it seems like there is some x by y pixel limit on what can be uploaded, even though the file is less than 200mb. For my Zenfolio account there is a 64mb limit, so I had to save
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The detail captured in that file is insane! Scrolling around your 100% crop, it looks as good as my files from the GFX100S.



Sep 02, 2024 at 10:44 AM
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Found I'm getting much better results with the SL3 in LRC over Capture One. I think it's time to make the switch. The only issue I have with LRC is the arbitrary nature of which camera/lens combinations are allowed to remove the manufacturer lens profile. I thought all newer cameras were allowed to remove embedded lens corrections in LRC, but I can't seem to with this combo.

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Yeah, it can be quite impressive. I often have to remind myself to do it, even though I’m often in situations where it will work well. That’s with the lens stopped down to f/11, there would probably be a bit more detail in situations where I can keep the aperture closer to f5.6 or f/6.3.

Ross Martin wrote:
The detail captured in that file is insane! Scrolling around your 100% crop, it looks as good as my files from the GFX100S.




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In a fresh bid to make myself unpopular, I want to propose that this zoom has a much greater sense of depth - call it what you like, 3D, volume, etc. - than the Sigma 35/1.2. It's apparent in all the images I see from each of them. I scanned the 35/1.2 image thread and 'big bokeh' is running at around 90%, 'moderate bokeh' fills in another 8% or so.

It's a long term belief of mine that ultra fast lenses behave this way (as a rule, but a few exceptions), quite the opposite of some who believe that 'they are all the same at f8'. Another belief I have is that photographers quickly figure out which compositions and requisite aperture settings any given lens works well at.

This zoom thread's images speak for themselves in this depth respect. Here are some of the very few deep images taken with the 35/1.2, see what you think:

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https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1607534/23/

Note: this is not a knock in any way on the work or opinion of others. How lenses 'work images' is what I am interested in.



Sep 02, 2024 at 06:36 PM
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highdesertmesa, I'm on a Sony A7IV, I'm the wrong person to ask about actual focus point success... If I was shooting a lot of portraits close up and taking my time I could be more help. I am an on the fly type of shooter when I shoot events (makes me sound careless!! ). Over the past 3-4 events I'm shooting thousands of frames all in AF-C of whatever is going on around me. If it is of a single person I don't think I get close enough at 45mm to have to many DoF issues wide open. If I misfocus I really miss, my movement or subject... When I cull for the studios I do a very rough edit cutting 50-60% out just trying to keep what is in good focus so they can cherry pick without having to verify sharpness. I use Narrative Select which will zoom into all the faces but not eyeballs specifically. I have to do that manually.

I will say I think this lens does a great job in AF-C focus tracking, shooting in a PJ style. My 24-70 GMII is not better IMO. The Sigma 1.8 look stands out for sure!! Also the 85% hit rate you're getting is great in my book

highdesertmesa wrote:
Hi, John. I'm guessing you shoot this lens on a Sony body? I'm curious as to the hit rate for eye-AF on the iris of the subject's eye at headshot distances when shooting at f/1.8 with this lens. My SL3 focuses on the eyebrows and eyelashes over the iris about half the time in low contrast light, so I'm forced to manually move the focus point and turn off eye-AF. My S5IIX and Zf had the same issue, although not quite as bad. My old Canon R5 was over 95% hit rate on the iris with the RF primes, but
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