I'm really excited by what I see. I'm not going to preorder (and never was). Used Z8 vs a new or used Z6iii are going to be something fun to trade. The only things I'm really missing out on for my use are the sensor cover and the truly blackout free VF. Either way, I expect Nikon or a secondhand user will get my money in the next 6-12 months.
I think Jared was fair, especially when it came to the AF during the boxing. Truthful. It's not something that I'll encounter and it MAY be a bif issue but I'd let those guys who shoot BIF chime in what they think.
Techuser wrote:
That damn selfie screen though...
I can't imagine vloggers being such a main consumer share to justify following this trend
They are not the users, but they are the influencers. When Casey Neistat started using Canon 80D for its flippy screen, he was only one customer, but millions of his viewers saw the camera and were influenced by it.
I would gladly pay little more for the tilt/flip screen like Sony A7RV.
I think Jared was fair, especially when it came to the AF during the boxing. Truthful. It's not something that I'll encounter and it MAY be a bif issue but I'd let those guys who shoot BIF chime in what they think.
As someone who has shot Sony A9ii for 5 years as a photojournalist and now Z9's, I can tell you the Nikon system is as sticky and reliable as the Sony system in the real world. The big issue online is that "testers" don't understand Nikons AF system, nor do they have the time or spend the time learning it. His boxing AF issues could easily be fixed with a few changes to the AF settings and AF point selection.
Looks like a really nice addition as expected and with very few surprises.
The partially stacked sensor is a nice touch, and readout speed should be around ~1/70 as Nikon is claiming it is ~3.5X faster than the Z6II and it can shoot 60fps full resolution along with a 1/60 flash sync. Nikon also claims it can do the same 120 AF calculations per second as the Z8/Z9, and EVF refresh rate as well as maximum frame rate are also 120fps (10MP JPEG). Early rumors suggested a readout speed bump so this is right in line, while still protecting the flagships. Ricci claims it has 99% of the AF performance of the Z8/Z9.
I was also really glad to hear it has the same IBIS parking/lock mechanism as the Z8/Z9.
The EVF looks like a winner, better than Z8/Z9 (other than lacking the true blackout-free dual-stream). It's brighter along with a higher resolution and color gamut. At first glance and from the demonstrations I've seen so far, it seems like it will appear blackout-free to most people as with the EVFs on something like an A1 or R3. It does not appear to be just an EVF slideshow while continuously shooting. I haven't seen anything about it reducing resolution at high frame rates either, and I very much doubt it does as Nikon seems to put a huge emphasis on EVF performance.
Nice to see the TicoRAW was brought over (HE*/HE). Thanks to the CFE B slot, buffer is truly unlimited even in lossless compressed so there is full optionality there whatever your preference. Overheating tests done in 6K/60P internal RAW are battery life limited (~1h45m) with no heat warnings so there appears to be excellent overheating resistance without any need for active cooling.
It uses the same batteries as the other smaller bodies so that's nice, but the battery grip is still unique for the Z6III.
Stabilization looks really good, rock solid at 1200mm for handheld video based on demonstrations - appears to be slightly better than the Z8/Z9 there as well.
The articulating screen might be a bit polarizing but there is no winning that one - some people will always prefer the flippy screens and others the style used on the Z8/Z9.
Keeping in mind they need to maintain product separation with the Z8, this looks like it gives most people what they were asking for and is definitely closer to Z8 spec than the other way. Basically if you think the Z8 is too big, this is your camera. With used Z8's being within ~$500 USD of Z6III MSRP I think that is still something a lot of people will be considering unless they really want the slightly smaller form factor. Nikon needed a competitor at the $2500 USD price point though (R6II, A74) and the bar is a whole lot higher now.
Availability is supposed to be late June / early July so the rumors that Nikon was building up a lot of inventory early seem to have been true.
Also as expected, it would seem that a Z7III would still be pointless in the current lineup without a very significant resolution increase beyond 45MP. With the Z8 at such a low relative price point, it already fills that gap for the most part.
Also as expected, it would seem that a Z7III would still be pointless in the current lineup without a very significant resolution increase beyond 45MP. With the Z8 at such a low relative price point, it already fills that gap for the most part.
Yep. I think the Z7 III should be that 60mp sensor, 4K 10-bit internal with Expeed7 and typical AF improvements. That way people get resolution, better video, and better AF. Pricing should be $2999 which puts it in a good position between Z6 III and Z8. The Z7 III would be the higher resolution camera, where as the Z8 will be resolution and superior video so a Z7 III wouldnt step on the Z8. I'd imagine the sensor would be a BSI non-stacked sensor or partially stacked? There is room for the Z7 III for sure. Nikon can improve over the Z7 II without stepping on the Z8 for sure.
okafoja wrote:
Why does the dynamic range on the Nikon Z6III have a meager score?
There are no objective measurements out for it yet as far as we know but here is what we do know:
1) The DR penalty for a fully stacked sensor exists but is almost zero, you typically need lab measurements to see any differences at base ISO and not far past that, there is no difference.
2) The Z6III is only partially stacked
3) All testing and hands-on so far appears to be on pre-production bodies
I wouldn't worry about it. DR hasn't change materially in ~10 years on any modern FF sensor, that isn't going to all of a sudden change with the Z6III.
RoamingScott wrote:
You never ever ever buy any product under these assumptions.
I'm buying it because what it offers out of the box. For a hybrid shooter this fits the bill. The Z8 too was great but the low light is what killed it for me and why I didn't keep it. And being that Nikon stated they are going to focus a lot more on firmware, I don't see how the Z6 III won't get some good improvements and possibly new features
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okafoja wrote:
Why does the dynamic range on the Nikon Z6III have a meager score?
Possibly the new partially-stacked sensor? Gerald got 12.5 stops of usable DR after noise reduction. RAW got a mere 9.8 stops but that's expected as its RAW, but still, its on the low end. I'm going to wait and see what others get from DR tests.
Not questioning you- but genuinely wanting to know, what settings would have to be changed to address the boxing issue?
Thanks!
StanOPhoto wrote:
As someone who has shot Sony A9ii for 5 years as a photojournalist and now Z9's, I can tell you the Nikon system is as sticky and reliable as the Sony system in the real world. The big issue online is that "testers" don't understand Nikons AF system, nor do they have the time or spend the time learning it. His boxing AF issues could easily be fixed with a few changes to the AF settings and AF point selection.
I have three Fuji bodies without dials and i have the aperture ring locked to A RoamingScott wrote:
I'm not sure how you get the Fuji exposure triangle shooting experience by buying into Nikon who don't have lenses with aperture rings...no, rotating the rear dial does NOT count
ahamp wrote:
Has anyone seen any mention of start-up and wake-up times compared to Z6II? I watched several prewires and didn't see anything.
Probably the same as the Z8/Z9 (essentially instant) because they are now using the same CPU and its Nikon's newest body. I haven't seen it either yet though.
Really bummed that there is no sensor cover especially in view of the fact that Nikon has made a very serious commitment to video shooters with the very nice improvements to video capture with this body. There is nothing more painful to see than a piece of dust floating around a ten second clip at 60 fps.
CanadaMark wrote:
Probably the same as the Z8/Z9 (essentially instant) because they are now using the same CPU and its Nikon's newest body. I haven't seen it either yet though.
This is what I am hoping with the updated processor. It has gotten to be agonizing waiting for my Z6II and Z7II to be ready to go.
so much will be improved and/or added
