MRomine wrote:
Really bummed that there is no sensor cover especially in view of the fact that Nikon has made a very serious commitment to video shooters with the very nice improvements to video capture with this body. There is nothing more painful to see than a piece of dust floating around a ten second clip at 60 fps.
They can't do both a sensor shield and mechanical shutter so unless it's a stacked sensor with a readout high enough to forego a mechanical shutter, you won't see the sensor shield. I agree it would be better to have but only 2 cameras on the market have one and everyone else seems to get along just fine without as long as they're careful.
They have to leave some things for people to lust over on the higher end bodies
If you're really concerned about dust, you still have the option to use the shutter as a sensor shield and be extra careful not to touch it.
One thing that Gerald did point out is no backup/redundancy for video shooting. It's still to just one card. I belive Canon does offer shooting to both cards but not both the same codec on both cards?
RoamingScott wrote:
I'm not sure how you get the Fuji exposure triangle shooting experience by buying into Nikon who don't have lenses with aperture rings...no, rotating the rear dial does NOT count
You can adapt X mount lenses on the Z bodies though. 😀
As an hybrid shooter I see it as an ideal complement to my Z8/Z9. The only question mark is how the 1/60s read out speed will work in e-Shutter mode on dancers moving. But regardless I’ll probably end up putting the Z6III on the gimbal for video and shoot stills with the Z9 in portrait mode. The Z8 will do video or stills.
Due to become available on 12-Jul in Japan with pre-orders starting tomorrow.
C1 Pro has announced day 0 availability, great to see how well Nikon has prepared this launch. Just waiting to see whether there will be a need for Profoto firmware upgrade or not.
CanadaMark wrote:
If you're really concerned about dust, you still have the option to use the shutter as a sensor shield and be extra careful not to touch it.
Dust is a major problem in the environment that I shoot in. Basically I can not change lenses on a shoot, I have to hope that what I choose to put on the body before arriving is what I have to live with until I leave.
MRomine wrote:
Dust is a major problem in the environment that I shoot in. Basically I can not change lenses on a shoot, I have to hope that what I choose to put on the body before arriving is what I have to live with until I leave.
How do you use the shutter as a shield?
I was the original purveyor of the idea, which I was widely panned for in the photography media Here's the video I made about it:
I had no idea a partially stacked sensor was even an option. I wonder if this will recover some of the dynamic range lose with fully stacked sensors, will be interesting to see the lab tests of this new sensor. This could end up being a whole new class of sensor technology.
I think for the market as a whole this will be a popular camera. Based on specs it's probably going to be one of the best mirrorless cameras for video use. The only video spec it's kind of missing is 8k, which not many people have a need for yet, and none of those cameras are under 3k. Some photographers don't want to deal with the large files sizes of 40mp + photos, now they can buy a camera that has 24mp and pretty much no compromises. Nikon once again is showing it's not going to hold off features for there flagship cameras, and gave the Z6III their best EVF yet.
While I probably won't be buying a Z6III, it's specs are making me even more curious abut what a future Z7III might look like. Between the Z9, Z8, ZF, and now Z6III it's safe to say Nikon is aiming to be a leader in all segments of the mirrorless market.
MRomine wrote:
Dust is a major problem in the environment that I shoot in. Basically I can not change lenses on a shoot, I have to hope that what I choose to put on the body before arriving is what I have to live with until I leave.
How do you use the shutter as a shield?
You can pull the battery with power to the body and the shutter will close, it's not ideal but people have been doing that for years as a 'workaround' on the Z6/Z7 bodies. Ideally the Z6III will have a menu feature for it but we don't know yet. If you weren't changing lenses too often it might be an OK option, but again it would be better to just have a menu option.
CanadaMark wrote:
You can pull the battery with power to the body and the shutter will close, it's not ideal but people have been doing that for years as a 'workaround' on the Z6/Z7 bodies. Ideally the Z6III will have a menu feature for it but we don't know yet. If you weren't changing lenses too often it might be an OK option, but again it would be better to just have a menu option.
I think it's a little weird Nikon hasn't considered these things, yet, considered them on the Z8/Z9. It's a pretty important thing to have a sensor shield. Another thing is no redundancy for video recording, even though its geared more for video. But otherwise, it is what it is, it still checked all my boxes.
snapsy wrote:
I was the original purveyor of the idea, which I was widely panned for in the photography media Here's the video I made about it:
Is the IBIS locked in place when the battery is pulled? I doubt it, but could be wrong, the VR on F-mount lenses was left rattling around if you pulled a lens while the camera was under power. I would rather deal with dust spots in PS than a broken sensor gyro. Plus, I am sure that some AI based dust spot removal plugin is probably being worked on as I write this.
If the previous poster cannot afford to change lenses in the environment they are shooting in, perhaps they should consider buying a second body - because it sounds like their work is a paid gig rather than a cashflow negative hobby. Short of howling wind on sand dunes, I have never been in an environment where the dust problem from changing lenses could not be dealt with in PS.
CanadaMark wrote:
There are no objective measurements out for it yet as far as we know but here is what we do know:
1) The DR penalty for a fully stacked sensor exists but is almost zero, you typically need lab measurements to see any differences at base ISO and not far past that, there is no difference.
2) The Z6III is only partially stacked
3) All testing and hands-on so far appears to be on pre-production bodies
I wouldn't worry about it. DR hasn't change materially in ~10 years on any modern FF sensor, that isn't going to all of a sudden change with the Z6III....Show more →
I was basing it on Gerald Undone's testing. He is usually accurate on DR.
okafoja wrote:
I was basing it on Gerald Undone's testing. He is usually accurate on DR.
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I have ZERO interest in anything having to do with video, so I did not watch the video carefully, but at one point he was talking about ISO=800 as the base ISO, and some break point at ISO=6400 where some kind of NR kicks in. Is this representative of the DR impact at ISO=100?
GroovyGeek wrote:
I have ZERO interest in anything having to do with video, so I did not watch the video carefully, but at one point he was talking about ISO=800 as the base ISO, and some break point at ISO=6400 where some kind of NR kicks in. Is this representative of the DR impact at ISO=100?
He's stating a dual-gain ISO where the noise improves at 6400. The Z8 also seems to have a dual gain ISO. The A7S III has dual gain with the second one kicking in at 16,000. You'll see a little "flash" as he calls it and the noise improves.
GroovyGeek wrote:
I have ZERO interest in anything having to do with video, so I did not watch the video carefully, but at one point he was talking about ISO=800 as the base ISO, and some break point at ISO=6400 where some kind of NR kicks in. Is this representative of the DR impact at ISO=100?
I don't watch his videos either but based on your description he might be talking about base ISO for LOG video or just a standard dual gain design like the Z8/Z9 already have. You will need to wait for Bill Claff's measurements to see what the actual DR is and to see if Nikon is cooking the RAWs, but I doubt it as none of their other cameras do. It will perform similar to every other 24MP sensor, maybe a little better maybe a little worse but we'll likely need lab measurements to notice.
GroovyGeek wrote:
Is the IBIS locked in place when the battery is pulled? I doubt it, but could be wrong, the VR on F-mount lenses was left rattling around if you pulled a lens while the camera was under power. I would rather deal with dust spots in PS than a broken sensor gyro. Plus, I am sure that some AI based dust spot removal plugin is probably being worked on as I write this.
Not sure if it locks the IBIS on a battery pull but you can manually lock it by entering a menu or playback prior to pulling the battery.
They had 4 Z6III there but since they were not production cameras, nobody could put their memory card in them which was a bit disappointing.
As a Z6II user it's hard to tell you're holding a new camera, other than it's a bit thicker.
They did not have the battery grip there and I was told it will come out in August. Function-wise it's identical to the Z6II grip where the buttons are and takes 2 batteries, etc.
It wasn't apparent from the few minutes I spent with it that the EVF is higher resolution, since my Z9 EVF was already very good. One of the staff did go into the menu to manually turn the EVF brightness to maximum and it was definitely eye piercing that I couldn't put my eye on it and had to put it down right away.
Eye focus was definitely not super sticky like Z8/Z9, but definitely much improved over Z6II.
GroovyGeek wrote:
Short of howling wind on sand dunes, I have never been in an environment where the dust problem from changing lenses could not be dealt with in PS.
PS works great for dust on still images but when shooting video and a moving camera and/or subject it is a real challenge to fix in a video editor. For example, shooting a 10 sec clip at 60 fps is 600 frames that potentially need to be dust busted. That's just one clip, all the other clips shot that day likely will have the same issue.
This camera might bring me back to Nikon. I had high hopes of owning a Z8 until I found out how heavy it was on announcement. It's too heavy for my needs. The Z7II didn't have the AF abilities I needed so sold it, but have missed owning it. I would much rather own a Z6II over a Canon R6II that I used to own as well. I really want to pick one up....
Driften wrote:
This camera might bring me back to Nikon. I had high hopes of owning a Z8 until I found out how heavy it was on announcement. It's too heavy for my needs. The Z7II didn't have the AF abilities I needed so sold it, but have missed owning it. I would much rather own a Z6II over a Canon R6II that I used to own as well. I really want to pick one up....
What system are you on now? One thing lost in these discussions and a cameras spot in the marketplace is that this is the newest camera out…so when everyone else has something out in this price segment that’s new to their lineup, we can more easily compare.
It was said that this sensor will be exclusive to Nikon and Sony, so this could give Nikon and advantage over Canon and Panny in that regard for this class of body.
If you’re already in Nikon or definitely wanting a Nikon in this price and size range due to glass or whatever other reason leans you towards them I think this is a great release. Not much to complain about. Of course there’s always something, but overall it seems pretty great.
I’m looking to get back into photography and video and right now use a Sigma DP2M, great for what it does well, but what it does well is very limited, so I’m definitely interested in this release.
For me personally I just desire more MP’s. I think what they decide to do with a Z7III will be very interesting. I’m not even positive there would be one. If it’s 500 dollars more as someone said, isn’t that a little too close to the Z8?
I’d be a buyer at 500 more and more MP’s…but not at all convinced that will happen. This semi-stacked sensor allowed them to be very competitive in video, but pretty much eliminated them from offering a one-stop option to satisfy everyone that lies between this and the Z8.
So maybe there is a Z7 with higher MP’s and worse video, so their offerings become even more Sony-like in that that would be how the A7RV is positioned.
This makes the ZF a lot less compelling to many as well, as I figured it would. That it added this much more over the ZF I think surprised a lot, as proved by early predictions of this just being a ZF in a Z6III body.
I looked pretty hard at the ZF, but not because of the retro styling. It is definitely a looker, and I’d still consider it because it’s a bit cheaper, but for relatively little more this release does a lot more for a certain user. If the ZF wasn’t so seemingly unnecessarily large I might own one by now.
The Sony A7C and RC are very compelling for size, but I feel unnecessarily crippled in the EVF and with a lack of an electronic shutter. Very frustrating as someone who values a small size and high MP’s and doesn’t have the best eyes.
Everyone is so close to having the perfect camera available.
I should just be thankful basically the only compromise for me is size at this point.
I’m assuming the Z6III has the cool manual focus aid option the ZF does? As someone with not the greatest eyes for focusing, but who isn’t satisfied by modern lenses that seems like a great option to have. I imagine other manufacturers will be adding something similar. I’m surprised with the popularity of adapted lenses since the inception of MILC’s, that it took someone so long to offer something like Nikon did with the ZF.
With inflation being what it is, I shudder to think what an RRS L bracket for the 6iii will cost when it comes out. I am guessing $200+ for a no frills model. We do have alternatives and SmallRig is already coming out with cages.
Here's the video I made about it: