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p.3 #1Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
Richard-BB wrote:
Fuji X-T5 with new lower price bit of a bargain? Not so sure if 40mp sensor necessary on APS-C camera. .


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While many people are fans of the Fuji 40MP sensor, I noticed it tends to produce more noise than I prefer when shooting at higher ISO settings. Also, its handling of dynamic range and SNR results in more noise in the shadows, which isn't my preference. Personally, I find that the 26MP sensor offers a better balance for APS-C cameras.


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First, I’ve felt that Fujifilm has a potential issue with “price point constipation” — a lot of cameras in a similar price zone. To some extent this can mean that they compete against one another. I think that is a potential issue for the XT100vi if, as Richard-BB suggests, there is a lower price point on the XT5. I’m not saying that no one Wil buy it — clearly it will sell — but that it changes the overall plus/minus calculus for those looking at the X100 models.

With all due respect to Fred, I’m not seeing any downside to the 40MP sensor — no greater issues with noise or DR. I shoot the thing in situations where either would show up — a lot of urban night photography and, more recently, increasing amounts of wildlife and landscape photography done in challenging light. (Just two days ago I was shooting my XT5 at dawn in low light at ISO 1600 with good results. Yes, NR in post, but that’ s par for the course.)

Do folks need 40MP? Hardly anyone using APS-C cameras literally “needs” 40MP, and almost everyone will be plenty happy with their existing 24MP and 26MP sensor. (In may cases, however, they might appreciate some of the other improvements in the newer cameras using the higher resolution sensor.)

My feeling all along is that Fujifilm (honestly, like other manufactures) has consistently maintained or even improved other aspects of sensor performance as they have gradually moved to higher photo site density sensors.
Feb 18, 2024 at 09:41 AM
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p.3 #2Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
Why is the concept of the X-T5 and X100 lines being for totally different customers so hard to grasp

The things that make each camera appealing are lacking on the other. They are not competing with each other, nor for the same person.
Feb 18, 2024 at 09:44 AM
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p.3 #3Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
Fred Miranda wrote:
gdanmitchell wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
johnvanr wroteLooks like you’re doing Fuji marketing research, Fred. Thought you were a Sony and Leica guy.
This is just for fun.

I also use Fuji cameras, and I've been thinking about getting one of the X100 series. However, for a compact set-up, I really enjoy shooting with the X-E4 because it allows me to swap lenses, particularly the compact ones made by Voigtlander, like the 18mm and 27mm pancakes. With these lenses, the X-E4 ends up being about the same weight as the X100V and is very similar in size.
The XE line is the sleeper system from Fujifilm, both as a very small and lightweight option and as a second body for various reasons. If you put the 27mm f/2.8 on it, the package is actually smaller and lighter than the X100 line.

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Fred Miranda wroteThe limitation is the fixed lens, but the advantage is being able to use an optical viewfinder with the X100 series. The X-Pro series, on the other hand, offers both the ability to change lenses and an optical viewfinder, but it's not as small as the X100 or X-E series.
Fred, I originally felt that way about the optical viewfinder — that it was a step up from the EVFs. That’s why I got the XPro2. I liked it a lot. But the longer I used it the less I leaned toward the OVF, and by the end I was using the EVF almost all the the time.

I mainly attribute that to adapting to the EVF, something that was originally a stretch for those of use used to rangefinder and SLR/DSLR cameras. EVFs just seemed… strange. But with current EVFs I think that the concerns have largely gone away.

Another illustration. Yesterday I was out in California’s Central Valley photographing (mostly) birds. I had the XT5 with the 100-400 and my 5DsR with its 100-400 and a few other lenses. (That reflects that “mostly” thing — I was also shooting landscape.) At one point, after shooting with the XT5 a fair amount, I picked up the 5DsR… and realized that its optical viewfinder system was dim compared to the XT5. If you had told me 10 years ago that I might actually like an EVF better than and OVF, I would have laughed at you…

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Indeed, Although the EVF is excellent for most situations, in certain low-light conditions, I find the OVF preferable due to its clarity. This preference also depends on the resolution and refresh rate of the EVF. In the case of the X-E4, while it's decent (2.4MP), it doesn't match the quality of the latest high-resolution EVFs found in other cameras.


The OVF also allows for one to see outside the lens field of view. This is extremely valuable for street photography, allowing one to anticipate a scene developing.
Feb 18, 2024 at 10:02 AM
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p.3 #4Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
The point about cameras being different does not negate my point about a crowded field of competing Fujifilm cameras.

Some people DO buy more than one camera in that range — say a XH2 and a X100vi. (I’ll just refer to that as if it exists for now.) But of people owning multiple cameras with different purposes, I’d wager that most (including many in this thread) who use a Fujifilm x-trans camera don’t use two of them — the other camera might be a GFX or (more likely) something like a FF body from another manufacturer.

So, if we’re looking at what I’ll broadly call the “more expensive Fujifilm x-trans cameras” (X100vi, XT5, XH2/XH2s, XPro of some number, should a newer one actually arrive.), picking one is almost always a decision to not get one of the others. Again, there are exceptions, but they are a small percentage.

For most folks getting a X100vi, that will be their only Fujifilm camera. Same for those getting the XT5 or XH2(s). Most folks with a XT5 aren’t going to get the X100vi (or, for that matter, the XH2).

Other manufacturers tend to differentiate based on sensor performance. That’s not the only thing, but it is pretty basic. Is it FF or crop. Is it optimized for higher MP or for faster speed and low light? Is it a less expensive low end model, or is it the very latest thing?

With almost no exceptions, Fujifilm does not do that. The same sensor ends up in virtually all cameras of a generation. (The XH2s is a rare exception… that we don’t hear about so much now.)

All of them provide the same resolution. The same (with one exception) operational speed in most ways. Differences in size, weight that are, objectively, not that great.

I’m a pretty good example of the conundrum. I have the XT5 because it is well-equipped. It gives up little the the XH2 that matters to me, and I prefer the smaller size and slightly lower weight. I am not willing to restrict myself entirely to a single focal length — while much of my small-camera photography is done with the 27mm f/2.8, I also rely on other lenses (various primes, a couple of macros, three zooms).

The X100vi is a very attractive, sexy camera. I’ve used it predecessors and liked them a lot. But could it be my only x-trans? No, for reasons outlined above.

Could it be a second x-trans camera augmenting my XT5? Maybe, but I doubt it. The X100vi would be better than my XT5 with the 27mm f/2.8 in some ways, but that better-ness is hardly significant. The XT5 is already quite small, especially with that lens. It works very well for street/travel photography, which is my primary use.

I’ve come up to the decision point a few times on the X100-series cameras. I like them a lot. But when push comes to shove, spending between $1500 and $2000 for a really lovely camera that does so little that my current system already does with aplomb is a bridge too far.

Because I’m not entirely positional – unlike some in this forum— I’m going to acknowledge two weaknesses in my position.

First, fujifilm’s use of the same sensor in all cameras cuts both ways. Above I explained how it reduces the attraction of a second x-trans camera for buyers like me. But on the other side, it also reduces Fujifilm’s development and manufacturing costs, which probably allows them a little more leeway with camera overlaps that would be more problematic if the sensors were not the same.

Second, because the X100v has been such an aspirational purchase for so many (we’ve all been over the TikTok crowd’s influence), the market is much hotter than it would otherwise be. Fujifilm may well be able to ride that wave, at least for a while.

YMMV.
Feb 18, 2024 at 11:52 AM
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p.3 #5Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
RoamingScott wrote:
The scale of manufacturing between Apple and Fuji is enormous. I’ll reserve judgement until I can form my own.


I expect the move to China is to upscale production, so that the X100VI won't be in constant short supply like the V was. Fuji knows they 100V was a winner. They won't cheapen the build quality of the VI if they are smart.
Feb 18, 2024 at 06:10 PM
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p.3 #6Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
Fuji and smart have never gone together. Just look at all the ass backwards changes they made to the GFX 100ii in terms of studio usability.

Geoff D F wrote:
RoamingScott wroteThe scale of manufacturing between Apple and Fuji is enormous. I’ll reserve judgement until I can form my own.
I expect the move to China is to upscale production, so that the X100VI won't be in constant short supply like the V was. Fuji knows they 100V was a winner. They won't cheapen the build quality of the VI if they are smart.

Feb 18, 2024 at 06:21 PM
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p.3 #7Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
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Fuji and smart have never gone together. Just look at all the ass backwards changes they made to the GFX 100ii in terms of studio usability.

Geoff D F wrote
RoamingScott wroteThe scale of manufacturing between Apple and Fuji is enormous. I’ll reserve judgement until I can form my own.
I expect the move to China is to upscale production, so that the X100VI won't be in constant short supply like the V was. Fuji knows they 100V was a winner. They won't cheapen the build quality of the VI if they are smart.


Indeed, I found the X-Pro 3 screen a perplexing idea, but on the whole I like Fuji for mixing things up a bit even if they don't always get it right.
Feb 18, 2024 at 08:04 PM
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p.3 #8Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
For how I use the 100V, I don't see myself moving to the next version. For this specific camera, I don't need 40 mp nor do I really need IBIS. If it was my only camera, it would be a different story.

I still enjoy (and need) the option of different focal lengths. When I do 'upgrade', it will be from my XT-3 to something yet to be determined. I have some basic criteria; reliable AF for wildlife, IBIS and potentially (but not sure) full frame. I plan to ride it out this year and see what comes about. I see myself keeping some kind of Fuji set up, as they are just fun cameras, and I love the lenses.

It will be interesting for sure, to see what Fuji has in store.
Feb 18, 2024 at 09:02 PM
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p.3 #9Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
Is there an expected price for the new X100VI?

The X100V is listed for $1,399.
Feb 18, 2024 at 09:32 PM
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p.3 #10Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
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For how I use the 100V, I don't see myself moving to the next version. For this specific camera, I don't need 40 mp nor do I really need IBIS. If it was my only camera, it would be a different story.

I still enjoy (and need) the option of different focal lengths. When I do 'upgrade', it will be from my XT-3 to something yet to be determined. I have some basic criteria; reliable AF for wildlife, IBIS and potentially (but not sure) full frame. I plan to ride it out this year and see what comes about. I
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I don't feel the need for stabilization in lenses or camera bodies when using lenses up to 40/50mm (full frame equivalent).
In low light situations, I can comfortably handhold at 1/60s, which is sufficient for these focal lengths, especially when using a proper handholding technique. This is particularly true when photographing people, where a 'minimum' shutter speed of 1/60s is typically recommended. However, for longer lenses, it's beneficial to maintain a shutter speed of 1/60s and shooting with a telephoto lens. IBIS or lens stabilization helps a lot here.

When it comes to the X100VI, I personally don't see much need for it, except in situations where I'm not carrying a tripod and need to shoot stationary subjects at very slow shutter speeds. I hope it hasn't added any extra weight or width to the camera.
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p.3 #11Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
$1599. Regarding IBIS, it will be a boon for video footage taken with the VI. The V had very jerky output due to the lack of it.

Fred Miranda wrote:
Is there an expected price for the new X100VI?

The X100V is listed for $1,399.

Feb 18, 2024 at 09:54 PM
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p.3 #12Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
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Sharona wroteFor how I use the 100V, I don't see myself moving to the next version. For this specific camera, I don't need 40 mp nor do I really need IBIS. If it was my only camera, it would be a different story.

I still enjoy (and need) the option of different focal lengths. When I do 'upgrade', it will be from my XT-3 to something yet to be determined. I have some basic criteria; reliable AF for wildlife, IBIS and potentially (but not sure) full frame. I plan to ride it out this year and see what comes about. I see myself keeping some kind of Fuji set up, as they are just fun cameras, and I love the lenses.

It will be interesting for sure, to see what Fuji has in store.
I don't feel the need for stabilization in lenses or camera bodies when using lenses up to 40/50mm (full frame equivalent).
In low light situations, I can comfortably handhold at 1/60s, which is sufficient for these focal lengths, especially when using a proper handholding technique. This is particularly true when photographing people, where a 'minimum' shutter speed of 1/60s is typically recommended. However, for longer lenses, it's beneficial to maintain a shutter speed of 1/60s and shooting with a telephoto lens. IBIS or lens stabilization helps a lot here.

When it comes to the X100VI, I personally don't see
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I think my definition of "low light" is not the same as yours.
Just an example. With an f/2 lens and 1/60, this would have required ISO 20 000.






  GFX50S II    GF55mmF1.7 R WR lens    55mm    f/1.7    1/8s    2000 ISO    +0.7 EV  

Feb 19, 2024 at 12:54 AM
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p.3 #13Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
My first Fuji is an XT5 and recently added a GFX50S. I have XL hands and had to add a grip to the XT5 to get it large enough for me to comfortably hold. I don't think I would like the overall size of the X100, less weight is always welcome. Secondly, the fixed lens doesn't appeal to me much. I do the same dog walk 3 or 4 times per week with beautiful landscape. I like to take different lenses (but only one on me) and do similar shots at different focal lengths. I think its helped me improve my composition skills but I also just love seeing things in a different way. I also really like the dials of the XT line, the Gfx50S, and how similar they are. Going to be hard to move away from it.
Feb 19, 2024 at 01:40 AM
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p.3 #14Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
Fuji X-T5 40 MP sensor with twice the processing speed of X-Processor 4. Plus AI processing technology with reduced power consumption. State of the art? Sony Alpha cameras come in variety of sensor sizes. One reviewer claimed Fuji X-T2 with 24.3 MP sensor produced slightly sharper images than Fuji X-T3 with 26.1 MP sensor. Fuji XH-2S with X-Trans CMOS 5 HS 26.1 MP stacking sensor wins in terms of capture. Depends on what lenses you prefer and photography? New Fuji X100VI with 40 MP sensor at premium price of 1.600 USD nearly 2.000 euros?

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Feb 19, 2024 at 02:57 AM
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p.3 #15Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
I'm done with the days of preordering a camera. Nowadays I like to get the camera in my hands first. Especially with something like this that I would be buying for size/tactile feel, at least for me.

Hope it stays mostly the same as the V.
Feb 19, 2024 at 04:36 AM
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p.3 #16Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?

I have always found the X100V an interesting and appealing camera, and the addition of IBIS and improvements to autofocus would make the X100VI even more appealing.

But it is not clear to me what it would offer over a full-frame, interchangeable lens A7CII with a small lens like the Sony 40/2.5 G, which is my current most favored set-up. The Fuji would be a bit thinner, I think, but it would also be aps-c and not permit lens changes.

Why would one choose this camera over an A7CII or A7Cr?
Feb 19, 2024 at 07:29 AM
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p.3 #17Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
One needs to buy this for style, looks, color output and portability. I love my gfx system but it’s not fun to always carry the weight for casual settings.

You’re Sony will produce better pics technically. I have a Sony body too. Great for nature pics but a lot of work is needed to get pleasing colors for people pics
Feb 19, 2024 at 08:32 AM
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p.3 #18Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
chiron wrote:
I have always found the X100V an interesting and appealing camera, and the addition of IBIS and improvements to autofocus would make the X100VI even more appealing.

But it is not clear to me what it would offer over a full-frame, interchangeable lens A7CII with a small lens like the Sony 40/2.5 G, which is my current most favored set-up. The Fuji would be a bit thinner, I think, but it would also be aps-c and not permit lens changes.

Why would one choose this camera over an A7CII or A7Cr?


1) it’s not a Sony
2) it looks good
3) the images out of it will be indistinguishable from the Sony in real life

I jest, just a bit…
Feb 19, 2024 at 08:40 AM
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p.3 #19Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
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One needs to buy this for style, looks, color output and portability. I love my gfx system but it’s not fun to always carry the weight for casual settings.

You’re Sony will produce better pics technically. I have a Sony body too. Great for nature pics but a lot of work is needed to get pleasing colors for people pics


I keep hearing this about the colours from a Sony camera, but my experience does not reflect this. Yes, if you are shooting jpegs or with an older camera, but the latest Sony cameras have really improved their colour science.

I’m actually looking at the A7cr for my light travel camera for its great sensor and ability to change lenses. That for me out weighs the cool look of the x100 cameras.
Feb 19, 2024 at 08:44 AM
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p.3 #20Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
Not everyone cares about ILCs for this purpose. It’s freeing to have an easily pocketable camera like the X100, Ricoh GR, film p&s, etc. by time you put a lens on the A7C, it’s out of that size range.

There are other reasons regarding the Fuji I detailed earlier in the thread.

chiron wrote:
I have always found the X100V an interesting and appealing camera, and the addition of IBIS and improvements to autofocus would make the X100VI even more appealing.

But it is not clear to me what it would offer over a full-frame, interchangeable lens A7CII with a small lens like the Sony 40/2.5 G, which is my current most favored set-up. The Fuji would be a bit thinner, I think, but it would also be aps-c and not permit lens changes.

Why would one choose this camera over an A7CII or A7Cr?

Feb 19, 2024 at 08:44 AM


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