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Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?
Yes, I'm planning to pre-order it as soon as it's available.
Maybe, but I'll wait until I've read reviews on it.
No, I'm content with my current Fuji camera.

Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?

  
 
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No there are plenty of other apparently blind people on social media as well. The comments sections have been baffling, it’s looks identical in form to the X100V from the front.




Whew. Glad it’s not just me.



Feb 17, 2024 at 02:27 PM
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p.2 #2 · Will you be buying the upcoming Fujifilm X100VI?


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This is just for fun.

I also use Fuji cameras, and I've been thinking about getting one of the X100 series. However, for a compact set-up, I really enjoy shooting with the X-E4 because it allows me to swap lenses, particularly the compact ones made by Voigtlander, like the 18mm and 27mm pancakes. With these lenses, the X-E4 ends up being about the same weight as the X100V and is very similar in size.


In that case, I think the X100 series offers something most other cameras don’t offer and that is sheer beauty of design. I actually don’t use mine that much (the V), but it is such a beautiful piece of kit. The Olympus Pen-f is right there with it. I just don’t think the X-E4 gives you that, although its use case is more logical.

Will I upgrade? I have no clue. It never made rational sense to me to get the latest X100—, but I always got one in the end.

I still remember seeing the original X100 in the wild, on the attic of the ‘secret tour’ of Venice’s Doge’s Palace. Another tourist was carrying one. I don’t have those memories concerning other cameras.



Feb 17, 2024 at 03:00 PM
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In that case, I think the X100 series offers something most other cameras don’t offer and that is sheer beauty of design. I actually don’t use mine that much (the V), but it is such a beautiful piece of kit. The Olympus Pen-f is right there with it. I just don’t think the X-E4 gives you that, although its use case is more logical.

Will I upgrade? I have no clue. It never made rational sense to me to get the latest X100—, but I always got one in the end.

I still remember seeing the original X100 in the wild, on
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Is the build quality of the X100 series better than that of the X-E series? I view them as similar in terms of build and appearance, but I haven't used an X100 myself. Some people criticize the X-E4 for its lack of dials and features, but I personally appreciate its design simplicity and don't feel the need for extra buttons. However, I do appreciate of the optical viewfinder on the X100/X-Pro, even though it doesn't operate like a traditional rangefinder.



Feb 17, 2024 at 03:10 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Is the build quality of the X100 series better than that of the X-E series? I view them as similar in terms of build and appearance, but I haven't used an X100 myself. Some people criticize the X-E4 for its lack of dials and features, but I personally appreciate its design simplicity and don't feel the need for extra buttons. However, I do appreciate of the optical viewfinder on the X100/X-Pro, even though it doesn't operate like a traditional rangefinder.


I don’t know, as I’ve never used the X-E series.



Feb 17, 2024 at 03:19 PM
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Regarding pre-pre orders, yes, an LCS of course. I’d never name names of the shop in this scalper era on a public forum. You have to be smarter than the scum to beat them.


Feb 17, 2024 at 03:32 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
This is just for fun.

I also use Fuji cameras, and I've been thinking about getting one of the X100 series. However, for a compact set-up, I really enjoy shooting with the X-E4 because it allows me to swap lenses, particularly the compact ones made by Voigtlander, like the 18mm and 27mm pancakes. With these lenses, the X-E4 ends up being about the same weight as the X100V and is very similar in size.


The XE line is the sleeper system from Fujifilm, both as a very small and lightweight option and as a second body for various reasons. If you put the 27mm f/2.8 on it, the package is actually smaller and lighter than the X100 line.

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The limitation is the fixed lens, but the advantage is being able to use an optical viewfinder with the X100 series. The X-Pro series, on the other hand, offers both the ability to change lenses and an optical viewfinder, but it's not as small as the X100 or X-E series.


Fred, I originally felt that way about the optical viewfinder — that it was a step up from the EVFs. That’s why I got the XPro2. I liked it a lot. But the longer I used it the less I leaned toward the OVF, and by the end I was using the EVF almost all the the time.

I mainly attribute that to adapting to the EVF, something that was originally a stretch for those of use used to rangefinder and SLR/DSLR cameras. EVFs just seemed… strange. But with current EVFs I think that the concerns have largely gone away.

Another illustration. Yesterday I was out in California’s Central Valley photographing (mostly) birds. I had the XT5 with the 100-400 and my 5DsR with its 100-400 and a few other lenses. (That reflects that “mostly” thing — I was also shooting landscape.) At one point, after shooting with the XT5 a fair amount, I picked up the 5DsR… and realized that its optical viewfinder system was dim compared to the XT5. If you had told me 10 years ago that I might actually like an EVF better than and OVF, I would have laughed at you…

Dan



Feb 17, 2024 at 03:36 PM
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The bigger open question is how will build quality suffer now that they are going to be made in China per rumors versus in Japan. This is one thing I’m super interested to compare side-by-side and one of the big reasons I’m not selling my V first.

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Is the build quality of the X100 series better than that of the X-E series? I view them as similar in terms of build and appearance, but I haven't used an X100 myself. Some people criticize the X-E4 for its lack of dials and features, but I personally appreciate its design simplicity and don't feel the need for extra buttons. However, I do appreciate of the optical viewfinder on the X100/X-Pro, even though it doesn't operate like a traditional rangefinder.




Feb 17, 2024 at 03:39 PM
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The XE line is the sleeper system from Fujifilm, both as a very small and lightweight option and as a second body for various reasons. If you put the 27mm f/2.8 on it, the package is actually smaller and lighter than the X100 line.

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Fred, I originally felt that way about the optical viewfinder — that it was a step up from the EVFs. That’s why I got the XPro2. I liked it a lot. But the longer I used it the less I leaned toward the OVF, and by the end I was using the EVF almost all the the
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Indeed, Although the EVF is excellent for most situations, in certain low-light conditions, I find the OVF preferable due to its clarity. This preference also depends on the resolution and refresh rate of the EVF. In the case of the X-E4, while it's decent (2.4MP), it doesn't match the quality of the latest high-resolution EVFs found in other cameras.



Feb 17, 2024 at 03:41 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Is the build quality of the X100 series better than that of the X-E series? I view them as similar in terms of build and appearance, but I haven't used an X100 myself. Some people criticize the X-E4 for its lack of dials and features, but I personally appreciate its design simplicity and don't feel the need for extra buttons. However, I do appreciate of the optical viewfinder on the X100/X-Pro, even though it doesn't operate like a traditional rangefinder.


We had a couple of the original XE1 bodies and mostly used them for travel. My wife has the XE4 for travel (along with a Canon R system for other stuff) and I’ve had a chance to use it a bit.

The XE is, in its own way, as “sexy” as the X100 models. It is a very tight design, and it works well for things like travel and street photography. One perceived downside is that Fujifilm chose to position it lower in the model line-up, selling it at a lower price and somewhat decreasing the number of dedicated manual controls.

Logically, for a lot of people who think they want a second body that is smaller and lighter… there’s at least as good of an argument for an XE. It is (slightly) smaller and lighter (with the 27mm f/2.8 attached), its image quality is the same as other Fujifilm cameras of its generation, and it has the flexibility to use any Fujifilm lenses you own.

But there is that sexiness deficiency… ;-)

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On another topic, the idea that Chinese made stuff is inferior to Japanese made stuff requires a bit more nuance. China does produce a lot of cheap (and in some cases, knock off) products. If you shop Amazon for, well almost anything, you are probably aware of this. But China also produces some pretty solid products… like iPhones, etc.

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Indeed, Although the EVF is excellent for most situations, in certain low-light conditions, I find the OVF preferable due to its clarity. This preference also depends on the resolution and refresh rate of the EVF. In the case of the X-E4, while it's decent (2.4MP), it doesn't match the quality of the latest high-resolution EVFs found in other cameras.


That first point (“most situations”) is one of the lines of progress in EVF quality. The first EVF camera I used was the Canon Pro One (anyone else remember that?), and its EVF was abominable. The next one I had was the XE1 and it was not great. It as fine for my purpose — a small, light camera for travel — but its latency issues occasionally caused problems. The XPro2 was better, but one reason I wanted its hybrid viewfinder initially was that EVF latency was still pretty noticeable. The XT5 EVF is so good that I really don’t even think about it at this point. (And, yes, I understand that other brands and cameras are even better. )

I feel differently about the effect of EVF/OVF in low light. In fact, it was with the XPro2 (even with its greater latency) that I “discovered” how much better I can see in very dark situations with an EVF. For night urban street photography, I ended up always using the EVF with that camera. (I had a fair amount of experience doing tripod-based night photography when I started shooting urban subjects with handheld cameras a night. I recall that sometimes it was nearly impossible to focus with a DSLR in very dark situations. I used to carry small lights that I could place near by subject for focusing. Others I knew carries laser points so that the could focus on the laser dot — other wise there simply wasn’t enough of an image to focus in the OVF.)

All of this aside, we certainly do have a whole lot of high quality options these days!

Dan



Feb 17, 2024 at 03:47 PM
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The scale of manufacturing between Apple and Fuji is enormous. I’ll reserve judgement until I can form my own.


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But the X-E4 has no stabilization or tilt screen. Two features a camera that I'm buying in 2024 needs.

Fred Miranda wrote:
This is just for fun.

I also use Fuji cameras, and I've been thinking about getting one of the X100 series. However, for a compact set-up, I really enjoy shooting with the X-E4 because it allows me to swap lenses, particularly the compact ones made by Voigtlander, like the 18mm and 27mm pancakes. With these lenses, the X-E4 ends up being about the same weight as the X100V and is very similar in size.





Feb 17, 2024 at 04:26 PM
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I posted this in another thread last week where it was said that the X100V is basically an X-E4 with a 23/2 attached. Basically it boils down to if you are comfortable having a camera where you can’t swap lenses, and if you are ok with that, is 35mm what you want to shoot. If that’s ok as well, the X100 is the much better choice IMO. Most of these bullets, if not all, will also apply to the X100VI.

Things the X100V does differently/better than the X-E4:

- ISO dial
- Rear command wheel
- More programable/physical controls
- M/C/S switch
- Leaf shutter
- Built in ND filter
- OVF/EVF hybrid
- X100v lens is a better optical performer than the Fujicron 23/2 while being smaller

People are "settling" for lesser Fujis because of the supply/price issues, but let's not pretend like lesser cameras are anything but.

The X-E3 is an X-T2 but...worse.

The X-E4 is an X-T4/X100V but...worse.

Caveat being if you are only planning on shooting a 23mm lens on a MILC variety. Obviously if multiple lenses are important to you, the X100 line is out...but almost no non-pancake lenses balance comfortably on the X-E line. The hot shoe thumb grip is essentially mandatory.



Feb 17, 2024 at 04:51 PM
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treacle wrote:
But the X-E4 has no stabilization or tilt screen. Two features a camera that I'm buying in 2024 needs.


It isn’t a 2024 camera. A XE5 could be.

I’d bet on it getting IBIS. The tilt screen is a different issue, but we’ll see. (Assuming that Fujifilm does produce a XE5. I have no inside info, but I suspect they will. It will pick up most basic features of other new Fujifilm cameras, including the 40MP sensor, likely improvements to AF, etc.)

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We often have a rather strange idea of what “best” camera means. (Beyond that, if such a thing actually existed in an objectively verifiable way… there would be no need for camera forums. Just saying.0

Some think that the “best” camera is the one with the longest feature list. Or perhaps the highest spec of one particular parameter than they value.

But there is no generic “best” camera without the context of what the photographer wants to do with it. Each camera in fujifilm’s line-up (true for other brands as well) could be the “best” camera in certain situations.

If you value small camera size, don’t need interchangeable lenses, like a rangefinder style body with OVF, like the 40MP sensor, like IBIS, etc… your “best” camera could be the X100vi.

If you want similar general functionality, are OK with a camera that is a bit larger, demand interchangeable lenses, your “best” might be the XE5.

If you are OK with a slightly larger body, need interchangeable lenses, want a deeper buffer and highest possible speed, you might think the XH2 or XH2s is “best.”

If you need a very small camera for things like travel, need interchangeable lenses, don’t need a manual control for everything, you might think that a XE5 could be your “best” camera.

The fact that some camera comes with a Mega Super Hyper Adjustable Frammus doesn’t necessarily make it better than the camera with only a Manual Semi Hyper Non-Mega Fixed Frammus. ;-)

And so on…



Feb 17, 2024 at 05:22 PM
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treacle wrote:
But the X-E4 has no stabilization or tilt screen. Two features a camera that I'm buying in 2024 needs.

The X-E4 has tilt screen but it's discontinued.



Feb 17, 2024 at 05:54 PM
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Maybe I was thinking of the X-E3?
Either way they are 4+ year old cameras that are not available new and are selling for too much on the secondary market.

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The X-E4 has tilt screen but it's discontinued.




Feb 17, 2024 at 11:28 PM
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treacle wrote:
Maybe I was thinking of the X-E3?
Either way they are 4+ year old cameras that are not available new and are selling for too much on the secondary market.

Yeah, I'm aware, but it remains my favorite Fuji camera. I'm a big fan of the marketing slogan, 'Do more with less' -- it really speaks to me. Despite its compact size, the camera is impressively responsive and has my favorite sensor (26MP X-Trans 4), just like my X-Pro3. The only drawback for me is the low-resolution EVF. Plus, the LCD not only tilts but also flips a full 180 degrees, which is a neat feature!







Feb 17, 2024 at 11:49 PM
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It is a cute little set up, if it was more around the $650-$800 on the second hand market it would still be a good buy today. Nice with a small f/2 "cron" lens. What is it about the X trans 4 you prefer to the 5?

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Yeah, I'm aware, but it remains my favorite Fuji camera. I'm a big fan of the marketing slogan, 'Do more with less' -- it really speaks to me. Despite its compact size, the camera is impressively responsive and has my favorite sensor (26MP X-Trans 4), just like my X-Pro3. The only drawback for me is the low-resolution EVF. Plus, the LCD not only tilts but also flips a full 180 degrees, which is a neat feature!





Feb 18, 2024 at 12:04 AM
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treacle wrote:
It is a cute little set up, if it was more around the $650-$800 on the second hand market it would still be a good buy today. Nice with a small f/2 "cron" lens. What is it about the X trans 4 you prefer to the 5?

While many people are fans of the Fuji 40MP sensor, I noticed it tends to produce more noise than I prefer when shooting at higher ISO settings. Also, its handling of dynamic range and SNR results in more noise in the shadows, which isn't my preference. Personally, I find that the 26MP sensor offers a better balance for APS-C cameras.



Feb 18, 2024 at 01:01 AM
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Fuji XT cameras as my choice with their range of XF lenses. For compact rangefinder RICOH GR IIIx with 40mm lens? Fully pocketable at 1.099 euros. Forthcoming Fuji X100VI with new lens may rob sales from other Fuji X APS-C cameras depending on price difference. Fuji X-T5 with new lower price bit of a bargain? Not so sure if 40mp sensor necessary on APS-C camera. .


Feb 18, 2024 at 05:41 AM
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Interesting you say this. This of course was my assumption when the new sensor was announced but many folks have said that it behaves nearly identically in terms of noise, down about half a stop of the 26mp sensor, and that the additional details offset this.

What would you say is the maximum ISO you’d be willing to shoot it at?

For what it’s worth, I shoot my X100 as I would a film camera, with ISO400 or 640 as my baseline for grain, and my film sims usually add a bit more so I’m curious how much I’ll even see it.

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While many people are fans of the Fuji 40MP sensor, I noticed it tends to produce more noise than I prefer when shooting at higher ISO settings. Also, its handling of dynamic range and SNR results in more noise in the shadows, which isn't my preference. Personally, I find that the 26MP sensor offers a better balance for APS-C cameras.




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