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p.9 #1Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Another sample wide open. (background elements close and far away from subject)
There is no mid-zone dip with this lens.
There is no mid-zone dip with this lens.
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LEICA M10-R Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton lens 28mm f/2.8 1/1000s 100 ISO -0.7 EV
Jan 18, 2024 at 10:54 AM
p.9 #2Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Can I just ask Fred you mentioned earlier about front focusing. Is that still a problem with further testing? I’m worried about copy variation. Can you also comment on focus shift pls. Much thanks.
Jan 18, 2024 at 11:17 AM
p.9 #3Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
FWIW, Bastian posted a quick look at the Thypoch 28/1.4 (and 35/1.4) here. Will be interesting to see how that 28 compares against the VM.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I got shipping notice from Map Camera and my 28/1.5 (Black Type I) should arrive tomorrow morning. I will try to get some samples on my stock Sony A7CII tomorrow at lunch break but I'm quite busy with work this week. The weather looks good for tomorrow but on weekend it will turn bad...
Awesome! I'm sure whatever you can give us will be very helpful and informative. Looking forward to it!
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I got shipping notice from Map Camera and my 28/1.5 (Black Type I) should arrive tomorrow morning. I will try to get some samples on my stock Sony A7CII tomorrow at lunch break but I'm quite busy with work this week. The weather looks good for tomorrow but on weekend it will turn bad...
Awesome! I'm sure whatever you can give us will be very helpful and informative. Looking forward to it!
Jan 18, 2024 at 12:08 PM
p.9 #4Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Very keen to see Bastian review the Voigt 28/1.5, but I will be in Tokyo in 2 weeks so will probably just buy it 😅
rscheffler wrote:
FWIW, Bastian posted a quick look at the Thypoch 28/1.4 (and 35/1.4) here. Will be interesting to see how that 28 compares against the VM.
Awesome! I'm sure whatever you can give us will be very helpful and informative. Looking forward to it!
rscheffler wrote:
FWIW, Bastian posted a quick look at the Thypoch 28/1.4 (and 35/1.4) here. Will be interesting to see how that 28 compares against the VM.
Juha Kannisto wrote
I got shipping notice from Map Camera and my 28/1.5 (Black Type I) should arrive tomorrow morning. I will try to get some samples on my stock Sony A7CII tomorrow at lunch break but I'm quite busy with work this week. The weather looks good for tomorrow but on weekend it will turn bad...Jan 18, 2024 at 01:58 PM
p.9 #5Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Between whatever Juha is able to post and the initial Thypoch photos by Bastian, we should be able to get a general feeling for how they compare.
Jan 18, 2024 at 04:28 PM
p.9 #6Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I got shipping notice from Map Camera and my 28/1.5 (Black Type I) should arrive tomorrow morning. I will try to get some samples on my stock Sony A7CII tomorrow at lunch break but I'm quite busy with work this week. The weather looks good for tomorrow but on weekend it will turn bad...
Looking forward to checking out your initial images on the A7CII. I'll also be testing it on the Sony A7R II. Unsure about the exact shipping date for the production copy, but it seems like it'll be next week.
I got shipping notice from Map Camera and my 28/1.5 (Black Type I) should arrive tomorrow morning. I will try to get some samples on my stock Sony A7CII tomorrow at lunch break but I'm quite busy with work this week. The weather looks good for tomorrow but on weekend it will turn bad...
Looking forward to checking out your initial images on the A7CII. I'll also be testing it on the Sony A7R II. Unsure about the exact shipping date for the production copy, but it seems like it'll be next week.
Jan 18, 2024 at 04:41 PM
p.9 #7Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Fred, what was the reason that you received for the slight delay of this lens (between the version you have and the final production copy)? I can't imagine it could've been anything too serious. It's not like they could totally recompute the lens in that time. Would have to be something relatively small - cosmetic or a minor structural thing.
Jan 18, 2024 at 05:03 PM
p.9 #8Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
I missed what the release date is here
Jan 18, 2024 at 05:25 PM
p.9 #9Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
_jim_ wrote:
Fred, what was the reason that you received for the slight delay of this lens (between the version you have and the final production copy)? I can't imagine it could've been anything too serious. It's not like they could totally recompute the lens in that time. Would have to be something relatively small - cosmetic or a minor structural thing.
I posed that question but didn't receive a response.
Honestly, I couldn't perceive any optical improvements for this lens, so maybe there was another reason for the delay.
Fred, what was the reason that you received for the slight delay of this lens (between the version you have and the final production copy)? I can't imagine it could've been anything too serious. It's not like they could totally recompute the lens in that time. Would have to be something relatively small - cosmetic or a minor structural thing.
I posed that question but didn't receive a response.
Honestly, I couldn't perceive any optical improvements for this lens, so maybe there was another reason for the delay.
Jan 18, 2024 at 05:34 PM
p.9 #10Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Here is on the Sony I received today:
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Jan 18, 2024 at 05:34 PM
p.9 #11Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
rscheffler wrote:
Between whatever Juha is able to post and the initial Thypoch photos by Bastian, we should be able to get a general feeling for how they compare.
The one thing we already know, the CV will be significantly higher in micro-contrast, and better ergonomically. That right there is big deal. I too am very curious to see more CV 28/1.5 photos.
Between whatever Juha is able to post and the initial Thypoch photos by Bastian, we should be able to get a general feeling for how they compare.
The one thing we already know, the CV will be significantly higher in micro-contrast, and better ergonomically. That right there is big deal. I too am very curious to see more CV 28/1.5 photos.
Jan 18, 2024 at 06:21 PM
p.9 #12Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
nehemiahphoto wrote:
The one thing we already know, the CV will be significantly higher in micro-contrast, and better ergonomically. That right there is big deal. I too am very curious to see more CV 28/1.5 photos.
Ergonomics aside, based on the rendering samples I've seen from the Thypoch 28, I must say I prefer the Voigtlander 28/1.5.
rscheffler wrote
Between whatever Juha is able to post and the initial Thypoch photos by Bastian, we should be able to get a general feeling for how they compare.Ergonomics aside, based on the rendering samples I've seen from the Thypoch 28, I must say I prefer the Voigtlander 28/1.5.
Jan 18, 2024 at 06:35 PM
p.9 #13Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Fred Miranda wrote:
The one thing we already know, the CV will be significantly higher in micro-contrast, and better ergonomically. That right there is big deal. I too am very curious to see more CV 28/1.5 photos.Ergonomics aside, based on the rendering samples I've seen from the Thypoch 28, I must say I prefer the Voigtlander 28/1.5.
Yes, me too. Given the lack of optical vignetting, more 28/2 like micro-contrast, lack of a midzone dip and typical excellent CV ergo and flare resistance, this lens maybe be an absolute stunner.
I almost purchased back my CV 28/2 ASPH after selling my Q2. I've been itching for a great 28mm for years. With this CV announced, my 28 simera interests has plummeted. And that I just returned a decentered 35 Simera
nehemiahphoto wrote
rscheffler wrote
Between whatever Juha is able to post and the initial Thypoch photos by Bastian, we should be able to get a general feeling for how they compare.Yes, me too. Given the lack of optical vignetting, more 28/2 like micro-contrast, lack of a midzone dip and typical excellent CV ergo and flare resistance, this lens maybe be an absolute stunner.
I almost purchased back my CV 28/2 ASPH after selling my Q2. I've been itching for a great 28mm for years. With this CV announced, my 28 simera interests has plummeted. And that I just returned a decentered 35 Simera
Jan 18, 2024 at 06:40 PM
p.9 #14Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Optimal centering is not a sure thing with Voigtlander... but probably not as risky as the Thypoch.
Fred has the benefit of viewing his own images with the lens. So far I have not seen enough from the VM to get a good feeling for it.
At this point, I dare say that I prefer the Thypoch's character combined with Bastian's processing. But it's still early. No argument though that the VM's ergonomics will be superior.
Fred has the benefit of viewing his own images with the lens. So far I have not seen enough from the VM to get a good feeling for it.
At this point, I dare say that I prefer the Thypoch's character combined with Bastian's processing. But it's still early. No argument though that the VM's ergonomics will be superior.
Jan 18, 2024 at 09:37 PM
p.9 #15Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
rscheffler wrote:
Optimal centering is not a sure thing with Voigtlander... but probably not as risky as the Thypoch.
Fred has the benefit of viewing his own images with the lens. So far I have not seen enough from the VM to get a good feeling for it.
At this point, I dare say that I prefer the Thypoch's character combined with Bastian's processing. But it's still early. No argument though that the VM's ergonomics will be superior.
Hi Ron,
Thanks for your input. I want to highlight that what I wrote reflects my personal preferences. I generally lean towards lenses with higher micro-contrast and a consistent performance from the center to the mid-field. Mid-field performance wide open is crucial for me, as that's where I often place my subject.
In my view, the Voigtlander 28/1.5 strikes a great balance with its high contrast and consistent performance where it matters. Additionally, it excels at the corners, making it an outstanding choice for landscapes.
It also closely resembles the rendering of the 28/1.4 Lux, which has a more structured look compared to Thypoch's smoother rendering with slightly lower contrast. While there are many who may prefer Thypoch's style, I feel the Voigtlander lens sits in the middle,, offering a great balance in rendering that should appeal to a wide audience..
Optimal centering is not a sure thing with Voigtlander... but probably not as risky as the Thypoch.
Fred has the benefit of viewing his own images with the lens. So far I have not seen enough from the VM to get a good feeling for it.
At this point, I dare say that I prefer the Thypoch's character combined with Bastian's processing. But it's still early. No argument though that the VM's ergonomics will be superior.
Hi Ron,
Thanks for your input. I want to highlight that what I wrote reflects my personal preferences. I generally lean towards lenses with higher micro-contrast and a consistent performance from the center to the mid-field. Mid-field performance wide open is crucial for me, as that's where I often place my subject.
In my view, the Voigtlander 28/1.5 strikes a great balance with its high contrast and consistent performance where it matters. Additionally, it excels at the corners, making it an outstanding choice for landscapes.
It also closely resembles the rendering of the 28/1.4 Lux, which has a more structured look compared to Thypoch's smoother rendering with slightly lower contrast. While there are many who may prefer Thypoch's style, I feel the Voigtlander lens sits in the middle,, offering a great balance in rendering that should appeal to a wide audience..
Jan 18, 2024 at 09:48 PM
p.9 #16Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
I received my Voigtländer Nokton 28/1.5 Black Type I this morning and I took some sample shots today with my stock A7CII during a long lunch break. All shots were either at wide open f1.5 or at f8.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NY2Fdwyjmft8VRty8
I exported these from Raw with C1 Pro (16.3.4) and applied some presets that I like (used different ones on different shots) and I did some exposure adjustments. Sharpening was at default for A7CII and noise reduction was set off (all shots were at ISO 100 anyway).
I found my copy to be perfectly aligned for hard infinity with my accurate Rayqual adapter so I can enjoy shooting far distance stopped down shots right at the hard stop, that is very nice and similar to my CV 28/2.8. The older CV 28mm lenses that I have (or have had) haven't been so well aligned for hard infity, including 28/2 II and several old ones (28/2 v1, 28/1.9 LTM, 2 x 28/3.5 LTM). I really like the size of the lens and handling is pretty much perfect.
As to how well it works on Sony, I found that I need to stop down to f8 for best corner-to-corner results for long distance shots (so that's what I used for all of those type of shots). f5.6 is also pretty usable but corners do improve further at f8. That's pretty much at the same level as the most suitable adapted M-mount 28mm lenses I've had so far. Would be really nice if Cosina made an optimized version of this lens for E-mount. Waiting to see if CP+ brings out any mirrorless FF 28mm options
I do like the rendering pretty much. Also the vignetting wasn't anywhere near as noticeable as on the 28/2.8 and 28/2 II. I also found it to be performing very well shooting against the sun.
The weather wasn't especially photogenic today and I didn't enough time to shoot yet. Unfortunately it is expected to be cloudy and rainy through this weekend...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NY2Fdwyjmft8VRty8
I exported these from Raw with C1 Pro (16.3.4) and applied some presets that I like (used different ones on different shots) and I did some exposure adjustments. Sharpening was at default for A7CII and noise reduction was set off (all shots were at ISO 100 anyway).
I found my copy to be perfectly aligned for hard infinity with my accurate Rayqual adapter so I can enjoy shooting far distance stopped down shots right at the hard stop, that is very nice and similar to my CV 28/2.8. The older CV 28mm lenses that I have (or have had) haven't been so well aligned for hard infity, including 28/2 II and several old ones (28/2 v1, 28/1.9 LTM, 2 x 28/3.5 LTM). I really like the size of the lens and handling is pretty much perfect.
As to how well it works on Sony, I found that I need to stop down to f8 for best corner-to-corner results for long distance shots (so that's what I used for all of those type of shots). f5.6 is also pretty usable but corners do improve further at f8. That's pretty much at the same level as the most suitable adapted M-mount 28mm lenses I've had so far. Would be really nice if Cosina made an optimized version of this lens for E-mount. Waiting to see if CP+ brings out any mirrorless FF 28mm options
I do like the rendering pretty much. Also the vignetting wasn't anywhere near as noticeable as on the 28/2.8 and 28/2 II. I also found it to be performing very well shooting against the sun.
The weather wasn't especially photogenic today and I didn't enough time to shoot yet. Unfortunately it is expected to be cloudy and rainy through this weekend...
Jan 19, 2024 at 10:15 AM
p.9 #17Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Does anybody have a side-by-side of the Voigtlander 28mm f/2 II and the f/1.5?
If the size difference isn't too noticeable I may upgrade to the 1.5.
If the size difference isn't too noticeable I may upgrade to the 1.5.
Jan 19, 2024 at 10:59 AM
p.9 #18Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
No pre-order link anyone? I was hoping the 1/19 was accurate.
don’t see anything at Cameraquest. I could order from Map…
don’t see anything at Cameraquest. I could order from Map…
Jan 19, 2024 at 11:52 AM
p.9 #19Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
IIRC, the last time someone stateside tried to order a new release from Map through Buyee, their order was cancelled. But I think they did it when then lens was still a pre-order, so not sure if it being officially available now makes any difference. Give it a try? 
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I received my Voigtländer Nokton 28/1.5 Black Type I this morning and I took some sample shots today with my stock A7CII during a long lunch break. All shots were either at wide open f1.5 or at f8.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NY2Fdwyjmft8VRty8
I exported these from Raw with C1 Pro (16.3.4) and applied some presets that I like (used different ones on different shots) and I did some exposure adjustments. Sharpening was at default for A7CII and noise reduction was set off (all shots were at ISO 100 anyway).
I found my copy to be perfectly aligned for hard infinity with my accurate Rayqual adapter...Show more →
Thanks for these, Juha!
The lens looks nice and snappy with great flare resistance. Near distance sharpness is also very strong, as Fred suggested.
On the other hand, wide open focus transition feels nervous to me, but not sure how much of that is caused by the stock Sony sensor.
Juha Kannisto wrote:
I received my Voigtländer Nokton 28/1.5 Black Type I this morning and I took some sample shots today with my stock A7CII during a long lunch break. All shots were either at wide open f1.5 or at f8.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NY2Fdwyjmft8VRty8
I exported these from Raw with C1 Pro (16.3.4) and applied some presets that I like (used different ones on different shots) and I did some exposure adjustments. Sharpening was at default for A7CII and noise reduction was set off (all shots were at ISO 100 anyway).
I found my copy to be perfectly aligned for hard infinity with my accurate Rayqual adapter...Show more →
Thanks for these, Juha!
The lens looks nice and snappy with great flare resistance. Near distance sharpness is also very strong, as Fred suggested.
On the other hand, wide open focus transition feels nervous to me, but not sure how much of that is caused by the stock Sony sensor.
Jan 19, 2024 at 12:45 PM
p.9 #20Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
steveasclepius wrote:
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But why the weird stick and focus tab combo? If you unscrew the stick it looks like it'll leave an ugly recess in the tab that would probably catch on your finger as you focus...
Attach the focusing lever by removing the focusing tab cover screw and replacing it with the metal focusing lever.
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But why the weird stick and focus tab combo? If you unscrew the stick it looks like it'll leave an ugly recess in the tab that would probably catch on your finger as you focus...
Attach the focusing lever by removing the focusing tab cover screw and replacing it with the metal focusing lever.
Jan 19, 2024 at 01:44 PM