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p.14 #1Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
I received a review sample of the VM 28mm 1.5 Type I today.
This is how the size compares to the Thypoch Simera 28mm 1.4:


For those that wondered why I complained so much about the Simera's focus throw at close distances, just have a look at this:
Jan 24, 2024 at 04:56 AM
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p.14 #2Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
ashwinrao1 wrote:
Does anyone know if CameraQuest has started shipping the CV 28 yet? I am curious about the type II in particular, as that's the one I ordered.


I ordered the black type 2 on Friday had for it Monday-
Jan 24, 2024 at 06:40 AM
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p.14 #3Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Mine (silver type II) is coming on Friday.

BastianK wrote:
I received a review sample of the VM 28mm 1.5 Type I today.
This is how the size compares to the Thypoch Simera 28mm 1.4:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-24-115357.png

For those that wondered why I complained so much about the Simera's focus throw at close distances, just have a look at this:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-24-115405.png

Jan 24, 2024 at 09:54 AM
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p.14 #4Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
BastianK wrote
For those that wondered why I complained so much about the Simera's focus throw at close distances, just have a look at this:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-24-115405.png


Yuck. I also do not like where the focus ring is.
Jan 24, 2024 at 10:07 AM
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p.14 #5Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Desmolicious wrote:
BastianK wroteFor those that wondered why I complained so much about the Simera's focus throw at close distances, just have a look at this:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Screenshot-2024-01-24-115405.png
Yuck. I also do not like where the focus ring is.

Me neither, I always end up grabbing the aperture ring instead.
Jan 24, 2024 at 10:28 AM
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p.14 #6Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
nehemiahphoto wrote:
@fredmiranda@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?


I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
Jan 24, 2024 at 10:40 AM
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p.14 #7Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
MEDISN wrote:
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.


I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28
Jan 24, 2024 at 11:10 AM
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p.14 #8Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
nehemiahphoto wrote:
MEDISN wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28

From my initial tests today the 28mm performs just as you would expect from a CV lens.
Kind of a 35mm 1.5 or 50mm 1.5 II but with a 28mm focal length.
No surprises so far.

Optical Vignetting is noticeably higher than Simera, also as I would have expected.
Jan 24, 2024 at 11:26 AM
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p.14 #9Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
BastianK wrote:
nehemiahphoto wrote
MEDISN wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28
From my initial tests today the 28mm performs just as you would expect from a CV lens.
Kind of a 35mm 1.5 or 50mm 1.5 II but with a 28mm focal length.
No surprises so far.

Optical Vignetting is noticeably higher than Simera, also as I would have expected.


The better optical vignetting and mellow OOF rendering (both contrast + rendering) are the two things the Simera has going. I could tell from Dustin’s 28 review it was better in those regards, but I like and know you’re testing better.

In terms of contrasts, is the 28/1.5 closer to the 35/1.5 or the 28/2 ASPH or 50/1? And is the optical vignetting as pronounced as say the 28/2 or 35/1.5? Appeared less in the few and non-stressful samples so far
Jan 24, 2024 at 11:31 AM
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p.14 #10Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
MEDISN wrote:
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.


It was great meeting you at the beach by chance yesterday! @MEDISN

I've just begun the review today, starting with infinity resolution/contrast tests. Later this afternoon, I'll also include a resolution and rendering test for the Leica 28mm f/1.4 Summilux.

Voigtlander 28mm f/1.5 Nokton Review; https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/184250
Jan 24, 2024 at 11:41 AM
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p.14 #11Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
nehemiahphoto wrote:
BastianK wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
MEDISN wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28
From my initial tests today the 28mm performs just as you would expect from a CV lens.
Kind of a 35mm 1.5 or 50mm 1.5 II but with a 28mm focal length.
No surprises so far.

Optical Vignetting is noticeably higher than Simera, also as I would have expected.
The better optical vignetting and mellow OOF rendering (both contrast + rendering) are the two things the Simera has going. I could tell from Dustin’s 28 review it was better in those regards, but I like and know you’re testing better.

In terms of contrasts, is the 28/1.5 closer to the 35/1.5 or the 28/2 ASPH or 50/1? And is the optical vignetting as pronounced as say the 28/2 or 35/1.5? Appeared less in the few and non-stressful samples so far

I did not check contrast at the distances you care about yet

Regarding optical vignetting:

VM 28mm 1.5 @ 1.5


Thypoch Simera 28mm 1.4 @ 1.4


VM 28mm 2.0 MK II @ 2.0


Focus distance was 0.5 m for all of them, the first two are to scale.
Jan 24, 2024 at 11:49 AM
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p.14 #12Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
BastianK wrote:
nehemiahphoto wrote
BastianK wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
MEDISN wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@@@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28
From my initial tests today the 28mm performs just as you would expect from a CV lens.
Kind of a 35mm 1.5 or 50mm 1.5 II but with a 28mm focal length.
No surprises so far.

Optical Vignetting is noticeably higher than Simera, also as I would have expected.
The better optical vignetting and mellow OOF rendering (both contrast + rendering) are the two things the Simera has going. I could tell from Dustin’s 28 review it was better in those regards, but I like and know you’re testing better.

In terms of contrasts, is the 28/1.5 closer to the 35/1.5 or the 28/2 ASPH or 50/1? And is the optical vignetting as pronounced as say the 28/2 or 35/1.5? Appeared less in the few and non-stressful samples so far
I did not check contrast at the distances you care about yet

Regarding optical vignetting:

VM 28mm 1.5 @ 1.5
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/VM_28mm_1.5_Opt_vig_0.5m_1.5.jpg

Thypoch Simera 28mm 1.4 @ 1.4
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Thypoch_Simera_28mm_1.4_Opt_vig_0.5m_1.4.jpg

VM 28mm 2.0 MK II @ 2.0
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/VM28_2.0_TI_opt_vig_2.0.jpg

Focus distance was 0.5 m for all of them, the first two are to scale.


Simera has less optical vignetting, but has onion rings. Funny thing for me is while I honestly appreciate all these detailed tests, for me no matter the lens, it really never matters! But what it does do is help me in my buying decision if I am undecided between two lenses, and use this as a tie breaker.
Jan 24, 2024 at 12:40 PM
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BastianK wrote:
nehemiahphoto wrote
BastianK wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
MEDISN wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@@@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28
From my initial tests today the 28mm performs just as you would expect from a CV lens.
Kind of a 35mm 1.5 or 50mm 1.5 II but with a 28mm focal length.
No surprises so far.

Optical Vignetting is noticeably higher than Simera, also as I would have expected.
The better optical vignetting and mellow OOF rendering (both contrast + rendering) are the two things the Simera has going. I could tell from Dustin’s 28 review it was better in those regards, but I like and know you’re testing better.

In terms of contrasts, is the 28/1.5 closer to the 35/1.5 or the 28/2 ASPH or 50/1? And is the optical vignetting as pronounced as say the 28/2 or 35/1.5? Appeared less in the few and non-stressful samples so far
I did not check contrast at the distances you care about yet

Regarding optical vignetting:

VM 28mm 1.5 @ 1.5
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/VM_28mm_1.5_Opt_vig_0.5m_1.5.jpg

Thypoch Simera 28mm 1.4 @ 1.4
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Thypoch_Simera_28mm_1.4_Opt_vig_0.5m_1.4.jpg

VM 28mm 2.0 MK II @ 2.0
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/VM28_2.0_TI_opt_vig_2.0.jpg

Focus distance was 0.5 m for all of them, the first two are to scale.


Interesting.

I see them as being in 3 distinct tiers. The 28/1.5 does look quite a bit better than the 28/2.

Jan 24, 2024 at 01:24 PM
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BastianK wrote:
nehemiahphoto wrote
MEDISN wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28
From my initial tests today the 28mm performs just as you would expect from a CV lens.
Kind of a 35mm 1.5 or 50mm 1.5 II but with a 28mm focal length.
No surprises so far.

Optical Vignetting is noticeably higher than Simera, also as I would have expected.

Look forward to your review of the CV too though I liked the pictures you have from thypoch.
Jan 25, 2024 at 08:29 AM
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p.14 #15Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
MCMXCAD wrote:
BastianK wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
MEDISN wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28
From my initial tests today the 28mm performs just as you would expect from a CV lens.
Kind of a 35mm 1.5 or 50mm 1.5 II but with a 28mm focal length.
No surprises so far.

Optical Vignetting is noticeably higher than Simera, also as I would have expected.
Look forward to your review of the CV too though I liked the pictures you have from thypoch.

Now that I have used the CV 28mm 1.5 a bit I also see a few good arguments in favour of the Simera.
Jan 26, 2024 at 10:29 AM
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BastianK wrote:
MCMXCAD wrote
BastianK wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
MEDISN wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote@fredmiranda@@@@@@@ Will you be starting your review soon Fred?
I can confirm Fred is actively testing the 28/1.5 vs other 28's as I briefly interrupted his sample shooting yesterday. Apologies to those waiting! Rest assured Fred will share thorough results/observations with us when he is able. We are all looking forward to the review and ensuing discussion.
I just ordered a copy, so I don’t need the review any longer, but I am interested in the 28 lux comp

After shooting the Simera 35, I have zero interest in the 28
From my initial tests today the 28mm performs just as you would expect from a CV lens.
Kind of a 35mm 1.5 or 50mm 1.5 II but with a 28mm focal length.
No surprises so far.

Optical Vignetting is noticeably higher than Simera, also as I would have expected.
Look forward to your review of the CV too though I liked the pictures you have from thypoch.
Now that I have used the CV 28mm 1.5 a bit I also see a few good arguments in favour of the Simera.


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Jan 26, 2024 at 12:46 PM
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p.14 #17Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
Interestingly I just noticed that Zeiss is still selling their ZM 28mm 2.8 for $1400. Who is buying that?
Jan 26, 2024 at 01:04 PM
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p.14 #18Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
IDK. Zeiss pricing for the US market has been quite inflated compared to Japan (though have not checked recently). Maybe it's old stock that was made years ago, and if it sells, it's a bonus for them. It's not like they have put any effort into the ZM line since 2014 when the 35/1.4 was released.

The little I used the ZM 28, it seemed to have the expected 'Zeiss pop' but not necessarily great across frame performance at wider apertures.
Jan 26, 2024 at 03:32 PM
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Jan 26, 2024 at 07:42 PM
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p.14 #20Cosina Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 28/1.5 VM lenses announced today
rscheffler wrote:
IDK. Zeiss pricing for the US market has been quite inflated compared to Japan (though have not checked recently). Maybe it's old stock that was made years ago, and if it sells, it's a bonus for them. It's not like they have put any effort into the ZM line since 2014 when the 35/1.4 was released.

The little I used the ZM 28, it seemed to have the expected 'Zeiss pop' but not necessarily great across frame performance at wider apertures.


In Japan the ZM lenses have pretty much stayed at the same prices as they always were. 28/2.8 can be bought as new for 79K yen:

https://www.mapcamera.com/search?keyword=Zeiss%2028mm%20f2.8&igngkeyword=1

I think Cosina is still producing those that have not been discontinued in small runs periodically as they sometimes run out of stock in Japanese stores and always come back later.

On the other hand Zeiss Loxia and Batis lenses went up in price in Japan a few times and are quite expensive nowadays while used copies can be bought much cheaper.
Jan 26, 2024 at 08:24 PM
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