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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


Never thought I'd be the one kinda defending Sony on this one. Right now there are "new" and basically new A7cr's on the buy and sell board for 2400, 2600 dollars. Not sure what those 14 people are waiting for. I'm just curious why people are not scooping these up. The camera is far from perfect I'm the first to admit but for those prices I just don't see a better camera across brands. Yes I hate all flip screens, it sucks but I'll live with it till the day the A7crii is released. The EVF is OK. At least useable now. Would I like full mechanical to 8000, sure. Are there other nit picks, yup. But still with all that said I bought mine at full retail and still think it is great. I have been using a couple of RV's so basically I knew what I was getting and what I was missing. I call it a swiss army knife because surprisingly I actually have been using the extension grip when shooting wildlife with the 100-400 + 1.4x. It actually feels better in the hand then my RV. Didn't see that coming. The beauty is it goes on and comes off in like 4 seconds.The weight difference people under estimate. I know I did. When I opened the box and lifted it out the first thing that popped into my head was "crap, some replaced it with a fake". Totally caught me off guard. Quickly unscrewed the cap and hey there is a sensor and internals in there. The missing EVF on the top is also a huge advantage in packing things out. I like using Temba BYOB bags 9 & 10 mostly. I started using them to pack out in my hiking backpacks but ended up using them as everyday bags. Not fashionable but simple. I can fit a 70-200 Gii, 20-70, 35GM and the A7cr in a temba 10. Not to mention other stuff, table top tripod, RSS Clamp, filters, battery etc... I could never get all that in with an RV. Trust me I tried. At the end of the day Sony did what Sony does best. They held things back for version 2 and it sucks. But in the meantime the camera is still fantastic and the most versatile I have ever owned. I have been waiting too long for a FF sensor in an APSC body.. For all those on the fence. Rent one, see if it works for you. This camera is light years better than the original A7C. It might surprise you.
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Dec 12, 2023 at 06:55 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


Why? Because I plan on shooting more than just little primes in my travel kit. I found it worth the extra $400 to go for the RV.

Clearly prefer the EVF and joystick of the RV vs. the CR.

With a 20-70 mounted which is my primary travel lens there just wasn't a lot of space savings.

The better grip and two card slots is icing on the cake.



Dec 12, 2023 at 07:05 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


nhsonyshooter wrote:
Never thought I'd be the one kinda defending Sony on this one. Right now there are "new" and basically new A7cr's on the buy and sell board for 2400, 2600 dollars. Not sure what those 14 people are waiting for. I'm just curious why people are not scooping these up. The camera is far from perfect I'm the first to admit but for those prices I just don't see a better camera across brands. Yes I hate all flip screens, it sucks but I'll live with it till the day the A7crii is released. The EVF is OK. At least
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I own one because that's what I prefer. I had an A7IV and a 35GM. While the setup was amazing, I didn't really take it out with me as much. With A7CR and a smaller prime, the whole package is great to carry around. People seem to only look at the weight but they forget the overall volume of the camera. It takes up much less space than the bigger bodies. Smaller body means compromises so it's up to the user/buyer to decide what they want: smaller size with compromises or bigger size with features they want/need.



Dec 12, 2023 at 07:22 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


I only see two A7CR's for sale and the ads are only 1 day old. Seems to me like they are selling pretty quickly once they hit the B&S.


Dec 12, 2023 at 07:54 PM
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liggy wrote:
Why? Because I plan on shooting more than just little primes in my travel kit. I found it worth the extra $400 to go for the RV.

Clearly prefer the EVF and joystick of the RV vs. the CR.

With a 20-70 mounted which is my primary travel lens there just wasn't a lot of space savings.

The better grip and two card slots is icing on the cake.


Yeah makes sense. Personal preference will always come into play. I'm sure I'll keep my RV but I'm getting the feeling already I will not be reaching for it near as much. Joystick for me is a none factor as tracking is so good I rarely use it on the RV. Never had a card failure and don't shoot professionally so not really worried there either. The 20-70 is great and is roughly the same size as my 35GM and I have determined that is about the largest I'd go in my travel set up. The 20-70 and 35GM fit nicely in my Temba 9 which is a perfect setup for travel for me. I can get the RV in there but I can fit a few more accessories with the CR. The better grip is something I will disagree with. Even if you keep the extension on the CR it is easier going in and out of bags without the center EVF in my short experience with both and I find the extension grip more comfortable than the RV body. But I get the RV attraction it's an fabulous camera and have been happy with mine since release. It will probably be my last full sized mirrorless camera.

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Dec 12, 2023 at 08:03 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


I also purchased an A7cR and am very happy with it, and agree with you on the extension grip making a huge difference if you decide to use a larger lens on it. Does it make me want to sell my A1? No- too many times I want/need the silent shutter and high-FPS and all the quick to adjust custom dials.

But- I also have already taken the A7cR on 2 trips, including 10 days on Maui, and it's a winner for me due to size/weight. My wife even took it last weekend to a family event with just a 35 2.8 and came back with pics in low-light that could be cleaned up to be useable with the A7cR and never with a cell phone. It's small enough to add to many existing bags without issue. And if I added the grip I could put my 70-200 2.8 on it and shoot an indoor basketball game if I had to (just prefer the A1 to this for the above reasons).

Long story short is that I agree with the above that if the only thing that's keeping you from the A7cR is the handing ability with larger lenses, and the dials/EVF setup aren't priorities, the grip completely solves your problem.



Dec 12, 2023 at 08:07 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


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I only see two A7CR's for sale and the ads are only 1 day old. Seems to me like they are selling pretty quickly once they hit the B&S.[/quote

Pro tip. Search A7cr Some have been available for weeks. Highest one is 2650. Maybe they just didn't mark them as sold. That's possible but why would 14 people watch?



Dec 12, 2023 at 08:08 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


nhsonyshooter wrote:
Yeah makes sense. Personal preference will always come into play. I'm sure I'll keep my RV but I'm getting the feeling already I will not be reaching for it near as much. Joystick for me is a none factor as tracking is so good I rarely use it on the RV. Never had a card failure and don't shoot professionally so not really worried there either. The 20-70 is great and is roughly the same size as my 35GM and I have determined that is about the largest I'd go in my travel set up. The 20-70 and 35GM fit
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If I didn't have a nice Fuji X kit with small primes or a Q2 I'm sure I'd have a CR or maybe even a 6700 as part of the Sony kit along with some smaller primes but for the lenses I favor in the Sony ecosystem the RV makes more sense for me.

Reading the GT A7CR $2300 deal piqued my interest in CR/RV. It was at that point I figured that I might as well toss a lowball offer for the RV. To my surprise the offer was accepted and for my use case it'll work out better.

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Dec 12, 2023 at 08:19 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


It’s a hard sell for used even at $2400 when you can get them new for $2600.


Dec 12, 2023 at 08:30 PM
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
chez wrote:
I only see two A7CR's for sale and the ads are only 1 day old. Seems to me like they are selling pretty quickly once they hit the B&S.[/quote

Pro tip. Search A7cr Some have been available for weeks. Highest one is 2650. Maybe they just didn't mark them as sold. That's possible but why would 14 people watch?


Amateur tip: if a camera does not sell for weeks, even months while others sell much faster, then either the member has not updated the ad as sold, or there is something wrong with the seller or item. I see only 2 A7cr
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
Pro tip. Search A7cr Some have been available for weeks. Highest one is 2650. Maybe they just didn't mark them as sold. That's possible but why would 14 people watch?


That seller you are referring to is a camera dealer. He will post one ad and sell multiple cameras. He only creates new ad every once in a while. Then again, what sells at the buyer/seller forum here is not an indication of the whole market.



Dec 12, 2023 at 08:41 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


I haven't seen a lot on the boards, but wish I'd seen the one for $2400...that's a great deal.
If you know what you're buying you should dig this little body. Love mine so far. When I want to go small I can, throw on a Loxia, it's very compact. I just got the 24-70GM II and with the grip it's an awesome combo, the AF is CRAZY good and still relatively light!
I don't have issues with the EVF, it's way better than the last one and good enough for me, especially when I see the images the body creates and, like I said, I read the specs before I bought and knew it wasn't even close to the a7rV, but it's better than I expected.
Different strokes for different folks, just educate yourself first.



Dec 12, 2023 at 11:34 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


The a7C2 is quite a bit cheaper & for many of us looking for the smaller EDC size, the 33 MP is plenty, without jumping to the much more expensive 61 mp model. So, many will leave the a7CR on the self & take the a7C2


Dec 13, 2023 at 12:34 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


I think the issue is that the A7CR is kind of a boring camera that doesn’t really appeal to any major customer segment well. It offers very little new to the A7RV besides price and there are other cameras out there in the market that appeals to individual customer types a lot better.


Dec 13, 2023 at 12:54 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


My "next" if any/ever, is likely aimed at use with my 200-600. I've got the A6700 for "small." However, if I were swimming in excess money, I'd like to build a light travel kit around the A7CR.


Dec 13, 2023 at 12:58 AM
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PhilthePhrame wrote:
The a7C2 is quite a bit cheaper & for many of us looking for the smaller EDC size, the 33 MP is plenty, without jumping to the much more expensive 61 mp model. So, many will leave the a7CR on the self & take the a7C2


In Europe the low pices for A7C2 are 2200e and A7Cr 3500e. This makes A7Cr very expensive, especially now when all the older Sony cameras have cashback or other offers.



Dec 13, 2023 at 01:04 AM
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tzhang4284 wrote:
I think the issue is that the A7CR is kind of a boring camera that doesn’t really appeal to any major customer segment well. It offers very little new to the A7RV besides price and there are other cameras out there in the market that appeals to individual customer types a lot better.


I have the CR and R5 and have to disagree with your statement. They're very different in feel and handling, while sharing the same sensor and AF tech. The CR with small primes feels vastly more nimble than the same lens on the R5. OTOH a 200-600 feels stupid on the CR. I'm fortunate to be able to have both, and many other cameras besides. I'm glad I have both as I use them in completely different ways.

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Dec 13, 2023 at 07:26 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Why are people not buying Sony's Swiss Army knife "A7cr"


tzhang4284 wrote:
I think the issue is that the A7CR is kind of a boring camera that doesn’t really appeal to any major customer segment well. It offers very little new to the A7RV besides price and there are other cameras out there in the market that appeals to individual customer types a lot better.


So there are other cameras in the market that is smaller than many APS-C cameras that also offer full-frame 61MP sensor? Please point me to some. Also, how is A7CR boring?



Dec 13, 2023 at 09:06 AM
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Having a A7RIV, the A7RV was the next logical step for me. But as I travel a couple months a year with my wife, I wanted a 2nd smaller/lighter camera body and to use with my smaller set of primes. When the A6700 was announced I got interested as it had a front control dial, which is why I was not originally interested in a A7C as it lacked this, and the improved menus/AF and subject detection tracking of the A7RV. Then the rumors of the A7CII/R with the same feature set appeared and I knew that 1 of these 3 compact bodies was the best step for me.

Once they were all announced and I compared features, though I was most interested initially in the A7CR, the one that made the most sense and by far the best buy, was the A6700. It costs 50% less than the A7CII and just a bit less than half the cost of the A7CR. It is the only one with a mechanical shutter, which because I use fast f1.4 to f2 primes for people photography, is very important to me, plus it has the fastest FPS for my wildlife and airplane photography. Same overall AF, with subject detection, menus, build and layout, just a slightly different button layout. And now come to find it the only one with a built-in extended silicone eyecup. As I shoot a lot on bright sunny days, living in a desert area, this eyecup is important and I am kinda shocked that the A7CII/R did not use the same one, as the EVF is otherwise identical. The pricing difference is not a small amount, actually I was able to buy the A6700 and the new Sony 70-200mm F4 G Macro lens for just $50 more than the retail price of the A7CR alone

Could not be happier with this new setup and the A7CR is no longer on my wishlist. Next year I will most likely trade up my A7RIV to the RV, so both bodies have the same menus/features.

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Dec 13, 2023 at 10:06 AM
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In Europe, the A7C R is awfully close to the A7R V in price. With the ongoing winter promotions, the A7R V is actually at the same price or cheaper than the A7C R! Even when compared at full prices, for a bit more you get a higher-resolution and magnification EVF, joystick, 10fps burst shooting, multi-axis tilt-shift higher-resolution rear screen, etc.

Even with it being 'bad value,' the A7C R may still appeal to those with more than one body. It is smaller and lighter —great for travel or landscape. However, if you are looking—like I did—a camera that I can easily pair with large telephoto lenses and smaller primes, the ergonomics of the A7R V wins.



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