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The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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p.3 #1 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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My M11 is just so close to perfect now for how I shoot it. I am trying to think what they could add that would compel me to upgrade.

IBIS? So far I am able to get nice crisp images without it. Maybe I could shoot a couple of stops slower shutter speeds and lower my ISO. But I am not having noise issues as it is. My M glass is between f/1.4 and f/2.0 so I usually have plenty of light.

Some sort of flippy LCD screen on the back? But, I shoot through the Range Finder 90+ percent of the...Show more →

It�s Leica. They remove stuff from the M11, call it going back to pure photography and charge more.

Oct 11, 2023 at 08:33 AM

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p.3 #2 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

In my opinion the kiss of death for Leica M would be to become gadget heavy like everything else thats already available.

Oct 11, 2023 at 11:18 AM

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p.3 #3 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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In my opinion the kiss of death for Leica M would be to become gadget heavy like everything else thats already available.

Like the SL line for example....?

Oct 11, 2023 at 12:38 PM

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p.3 #4 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

If you have something no one else has, like the digital M ( a true rangefinder), and it is your flagship and it has been successful in a time when others are struggling; well if it ain't broke and all. There are so many cameras out there that do the auto everything so well why compete when you have something that is successful and has no other real competition? That doesn't make any sense. If you want to do other lines that have lotsa stuff, fine, just leave the M to what is is and what it does best for those that don't want the other options. M remains a real alternative. A real choice.

Oct 11, 2023 at 12:50 PM

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p.3 #5 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

We have these same back and forth points every time this comes up.

There's no reason an M with an EVF cannot exist side-by-side with a rangefinder version. Neither version threatens or takes away from the other.

If we do get an EVF in an M, I feel like it should be a premium EVF similar to the SL cameras. I know the 3.X megapixel apologists will swoop in to say that's enough, but really at this price point it's not. Need to find a way to make these 5mp and higher EVFs fit before putting an EVF into the M.

Oct 11, 2023 at 01:37 PM

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p.3 #6 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

I don't really care what they release as long as you guys keep buying the new stuff so I can afford a used camera with one of those fancy ISO dials one day.

Oct 11, 2023 at 01:48 PM

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p.3 #7 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

highdesertmesa wrote:
We have these same back and forth points every time this comes up.

There's no reason an M with an EVF cannot exist side-by-side with a rangefinder version. Neither version threatens or takes away from the other.

If we do get an EVF in an M, I feel like it should be a premium EVF similar to the SL cameras. I know the 3.X megapixel apologists will swoop in to say that's enough, but really at this price point it's not. Need to find a way to make these 5mp and higher EVFs fit before putting an EVF into the M.

Really no need to reinvent the wheel. Just make the "M EVF" camera an interchangeable M-mount Q camera. Same features, same EVF.

Oct 11, 2023 at 01:53 PM

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p.3 #8 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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Really no need to reinvent the wheel. Just make the "M EVF" camera an interchangeable M-mount Q camera. Same features, same EVF.

Exactly what I am preaching here for quite some time! I said it in another thread before, only con of this approach is something Leica needs to battle out internally - in-house competition between such camera and existing Qs and the SL line. One way to overcome this is for example crippling AF capability in such "M EVF" camera.

Oct 11, 2023 at 01:57 PM

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p.3 #9 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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I don't really care what they release as long as you guys keep buying the new stuff so I can afford a used camera with one of those fancy ISO dials one day.

+1. Only that the fancy ISO dial buttons look nice but are not very intuitive to use and apply quickly IMO. A simple ISO dial instead of this button to push out and turn would fit the box better IMO.

Oct 11, 2023 at 02:01 PM

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p.3 #10 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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Really no need to reinvent the wheel. Just make the "M EVF" camera an interchangeable M-mount Q camera. Same features, same EVF.

When you bring up the Q, people come out with their pitchforks

Just replace the M11's rangefinder mech/optics with the Q3's EVF. Save all the other radical changes for the M12. If they put an M-mount onto a Q body, it would end up pretty thick given the rear tilt screen plus the longer flange distance.

Oct 11, 2023 at 02:07 PM

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p.3 #11 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

Yep. leave the M alone. Make something else but keep a basic M. If they were to start putting all that stuff on a digital M without a basic alternative then I have bought my last digital M.

Oct 11, 2023 at 03:26 PM

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p.3 #12 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

I believe the next Leica M camera will likely be the M11-P.
In 2024, we can expect new SL camera models, possibly the SL 21/2 APO, and special edition M11 cameras.

Oct 11, 2023 at 03:42 PM

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p.3 #13 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

I just bought a Sony A7CR and while far from perfect it's really really good. So Leica can make what they want and I couldn't care less. Right now the only Leica camera I'm using is my M11M, occasionally. I bought K a Q3 and recently a used Q2M, both of which she adores. But I stuck a 55 1.8 on the A7CR and it's brilliant. Even my mostly mid range 28 f2 is as good as what the Q3 puts out (the Q3 draws much better though) resolution wise.

As of right now Leica isn't making cameras I'm really interested in. The M11 and M11M are probably peak M for me and a new paint job won't convince me to buy. But they've got the hipster market. As long as peter McKinnon has a Q they'll just keep heading that direction.

It's interesting that after so many years as a Leica photographer that currently none of the cameras that make me want to pick them up have a red dot (or virtual one) on them. Leica's have become a bit *meh* for me just as the rest of the interwebs seems to be going gaga over them.

The new Nikon looks cool though. I'm keen to try the manual focus with eye recognition tech. Not enough pickles for me though.

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Oct 11, 2023 at 03:48 PM

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p.3 #14 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

Fred Miranda wrote:
I believe the next Leica M camera will likely be the M11-P.
In 2024, we can expect new SL camera models, possibly the SL 21/2 APO, and special edition M11 cameras.

M11-P is earlier than that. There's a Leica event on this week.

Gordon

Oct 11, 2023 at 03:49 PM

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p.3 #15 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

I ( and many others) received this email/Newsletter from LFI yesterday :

"Dear Reader,

LFI 7/2023 will be released shortly.

Due to a postponed product launch, this issue is unfortunately subject to an extended embargo. The new release date for LFI 7/2023 is Monday, October 30, 2023.

We apologise for the delay and, despite the slightly longer wait, wish you much enjoyment with the upcoming issue.

Your LFI Editorial Team"

Oct 11, 2023 at 04:11 PM

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p.3 #16 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

flash wrote:
M11-P is earlier than that. There's a Leica event on this week.

Gordon

Yes, that's what I meant. It should be released in about 3 weeks.

Oct 11, 2023 at 04:12 PM

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p.3 #17 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

flash wrote:
The M11 and M11M are probably peak M for me.

Gordon

I was thinking about this the other day ... wondering what the M13, M14 and M15 (yes, I skipped the M12) can bring to the table (other than new sensors), and still keep it an M that isn't techno-adds, yet being worth a new release $$$.

As to the matter of the EVF in an M ... I see it the same as any other variant model. Meaning, the RF will remain the standard model, and first to release. Subsequent offerings (-M, -P, -collector editions, etc.) could make ONE such offering (-E), have an EVF variant model, and still retain the RF in all the other models. I know that there is the VIsoflex, but it would be nicer to have the VF in the corner of the body, rather than atop the hotshot (think Fuji GFX-R).

Imo, the EVF will eventually work its way into an M model ... BUT, only as a special edition variant, not to supplant the heritage of the rangefinder of the M.

Personally, I wouldn't complain if the LCD could tilt to be used like a waist level finder. That, or make a "bigger" visoflex that could be more like a ground glass view from the top (as long as we're dreaming). I realize that this is "odd man out" kind of stuff, but there are times that I want to be "disengaged" from my surroundings, and absorbed into the process. Yes, I realize this is exactly the opposite of how the RF allows you to be "engaged" to the surroundings by being able to see outside the frame lines ... so, that is kind of "antithetical" to the basic understand of why using a rangefinder is different from other approaches.

I just would like to have a waist level experience in the same ecos ... yet, still be shooting my M lenses (on a native M mount). Pretty sure this won't happen, but one can wish for a waist level M.

So, yeah ... what is going to be the roadmap into M13, M14, M15. Maybe the M11 is going to be a strong "plateau", with only smallish peaks afterwards (sensor resolution) for many folks. Of course, Leica will come up with "something" to dangle new carrots with (still retaining the M heritage).

Oct 11, 2023 at 08:51 PM

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p.3 #18 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

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The Leica man said: "EVF only make sense for auto focus cameras".

Extraordinary statement. So many of his customers disagree.

BUT if you listen to the new Overgaard video he (Daniels) has apparently changed his mind, especially after a recent survey of Leica owners suggesting 50% would buy an EVF M model as an M variant alongside the M11.

Oct 11, 2023 at 09:55 PM

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p.3 #19 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

When has Leica ever done what the masses wanted.

Oct 11, 2023 at 10:13 PM

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p.3 #20 · The Leica M11-P is expected to be released by November 2023

algrove wrote:
BUT if you listen to the new Overgaard video he (Daniels) has apparently changed his mind, especially after a recent survey of Leica owners suggesting 50% would buy an EVF M model as an M variant alongside the M11.

Ignoring the price for such "EVF M" camera, I would also belong into this group of 50%. It would not replace my rangefinder M but be an addition.

Oct 12, 2023 at 06:55 AM

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