p.5 #4Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
bs kite wrote:
Look'n good George.
Good to see you post a few eagle images and I love to see the Wood Stork doing good in Florida.
Thanks very much! These are from South Carolina and they are here most of the summer and part of the fall then head back to Florida I guess. We can get a hundred or so showing up, now we have around 50 but just a guess!
p.5 #5Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
OwlsEyes wrote:
Be prepared to watch this video at 2x speed... that is some sloooow talking.
We'll know much more about how all of these lenses stack up and perform as more people use them in real shooting situations.
As a Nikon shooter, I continue to be impressed with Sony 200-600mm lens. When used with the A1, it continues to be a class leading optic. Of course, one has to enjoy the Sony bodies to make the most of the lens.
The Nikon 180-600 continues to do what Nikon has been doing. They have produced another remarkable product at a price that undercuts both Sony and Canon. In the past, Nikon was always the most expensive Japanese manufacturer of 35mm style cameras (I included place of origin bc Leica Germany has always been the most expensive). Enter today, and we find that Nikon is producing some of the best in class glass and camera bodies for less than both Sony and Canon. This is quite impressive when you consider that Nikon is also the smallest company (by a lot) of the three.
For those who might be interested in my own pathway... My Nikon 180-600 arrived today and I have decided to give it a pass... My dealer has a mile long list of people wanting the lens, so they were more than fine with my decision. My rationale relates to what is in my bag today and the direction I am heading with my photography.
1. I have the 800PF, 400 f4.5, 70-180, 17-28, and 1.4x. I've got the 180-600 range covered, just not in a zoom.
2. I have enjoyed the sharpness, detail, contrast, AF speed, and build of my S-series telephotos and do not want to compromise with any of the latter.
3. I like to carry all of my gear in the field and use wherever the muse takes me. I can pack all of my lenses and both the Z9 and Z8 in my TT Backlight 36L... a bag that is easy to carry on the back and will fit in most plane overhead bins.
4. Because of the latter, the 180-600 would be the odd duck out. I contemplated selling my 800PF or 400 4.5 to accommodate the 180-600, but after thinking about this and seeing the images posted to date, item #2 on my list led me to my decision.
I look forward to seeing some of the amazing work that owners of the 180-600 will produce... looks to be a winner of a lens.
p.5 #7Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
Camera Labs just published their review with test chart shots, distant target shots and a number of full resolution shots from the zoo, including wide open at 600mm. The word “soft” doesn’t come up in their review .
They don’t compare directly with the Sony and so of course it is still very possible the Sony is sharpER wide open when viewed at 100%. Some of the zoo shots are at higher ISO which can make sharpness harder to evaluate and one seems to have motion blur. Typical of super telephoto lens reviews not done by wildlife photographers! That said, it is extremely difficult to claim any of their 600mm F/6.3 shots are anything other than “sharp”. Copy variation?
p.5 #8Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
Yeah, everything I've seen from this lens looks to be very good. Very good sharpness, surprisingly decent bokeh, great build. I hope mine comes in in the next few weeks.
p.5 #9Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
kwalsh wrote:
Camera Labs just published their review with test chart shots, distant target shots and a number of full resolution shots from the zoo, including wide open at 600mm. The word “soft” doesn’t come up in their review .
They don’t compare directly with the Sony and so of course it is still very possible the Sony is sharpER wide open when viewed at 100%. Some of the zoo shots are at higher ISO which can make sharpness harder to evaluate and one seems to have motion blur. Typical of super telephoto lens reviews not done by wildlife photographers! That said, it is extremely difficult to claim any of their 600mm F/6.3 shots are anything other than “sharp”. Copy variation?
Most interesting to me was that in his tests, he says the 180-600 was comparable to the Z400/4.5 @ 400mm and at 560mm with a 1.4TC on the 400/4.5. We all know how good that 400mm is. I don't have one to compare myself.
p.5 #10Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
Also for anyone wondering, DXO says Pure Raw / PL6 support for the 180-600 and TC combos will be out before end of year. Not as soon as I'd like, but also not nearly as bad as the 12-14 months it often takes them.
p.5 #11Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
Hi all, just wandered over from the Canon board through a link. This lens looks like it could be really compelling for daytime sports on a Z8. Wondering if anyone is doing so (field sports like football) and finding the AF and wide open sharpness is acceptable, particularly at the long end of the zoom range when subjects are not filling the frame? (Some lenses seem to fall apart in respect to sharpness at longer distances.) I'm currently using the Canon 200-400/4 with internal 1.4xTC often engaged to give me 560/5.6. So 600/6.3 isn't much of a 'downgrade' in respect to maximum aperture. The compromise is more being stuck at f/5.6 on the wide end, but also not so bad.
paloika wrote:
Would that fit in the overhead bin of a commercial airplane? Thanks in advance.
Yes, the Pelican 1535 Air is designed specifically to meet the carry-on size limits for US air carriers. Same with the Pelican 1510, Nanuk 935, etc.
suteetat wrote:
Depending on the airlines. A friend uses this type of hard case and sometimes, flight attendant would not let him put that in overhead compartment saying that if the case fall down when someone open the overhead compartment, it could cause serious injury. They may ask him to check it in at the gate or sometimes or flight attendant will store it in their cabin closet for him. Some airlines don't care at all. Size wise, it should fit overhead compartment in most jets fine.
The only plane that it would not fit would be some of the smaller propeller ATR planes in my experience. ...Show more →
If that was true, it would be true for any roller carry-on suitcase that most people are traveling with. But the reality is that these carry-on rollers are pretty long (22"/56cm) and the overhead bins are only that deep (they fit exactly), so it's not like they're partially hanging out and the slightest nudge will cause them to slide out. It would rather be an improperly secured or damaged compartment door that suddenly opens during extreme turbulence, but that's extremely rare. The greatest danger IMO is from the doofuses who stuff their duty-free liquor bottles in the overheads without the flight attendants noticing, as those are hard and heavy and can easily fall out when opening the compartment door.
In any case, this has not ever been my experience traveling with the older Pelican 1510 (which is heavier than the 1535 Air) and what I use now, the Pelican BA22 Elite Carry On (now discontinued) if traveling US domestic flights on reasonably sized jets (like 737, A320 or Embraer 175/195). These roller carry-ons are typically required to go in the overhead bins and your smaller 'personal item' under the seat in front of you. The roller carry-ons are actually usually too long to fit under the seat and would have to be rotated to not jut out from under the seat and block egress from the row in the case of an emergency. But if rotated, would infringe on your neighbor's legroom.
ilkka_nissila wrote:
I did a quick estimation that the total weight of the bag and contents is likely to be around 12 kg (don't know exactly what the inserts weight, so my estimate could be a little off). TSA limit is about 16 kg. Finnair allows 8 kg for economy passengers and 12 kg for business class. British Airways allows two bags up to 23 kg each! So, it varies greatly. I remember times when I was traveling and the maximum for carry-on was 5 kg, so I would get in trouble with that.
For safety reasons I too would expect a hard heavy case only to be allowed under the seat in front of the passenger, not in the overhead compartment (unless it slips unnoticed). But for exit seats, there is no seat in front option so it would probably end up in the cargo. Given how cargo luggage is handled (sometimes it gets thrown around between handlers over some distances) I would personally not take my chances and simply travel with less gear. But for photographers with wildlife being a priority, I guess there is no option but to pack what you need and accept the risks. ...Show more →
Depends on the airline. Many here are in the US and most US airlines don't enforce a carry-on weight limit. Rather, they state you must be able to lift it in order to place in the overhead bins. Canada used to have a government-mandated 10kg limit, with which I regularly ran afoul, but that was dropped around 5 years ago, thankfully, and now aligns nicely with US carry-on rules. However, I've noticed that discount carriers (like Flair here in Canada) do have carry-on weight limits that they have apparently arbitrarily set, for whatever reason (possibly to generate more revenue through checked baggage fees).
The reason I prefer to travel with a hard-sided carry-on is, if as a last resort I am forced to check or gate check it, it will at least provide better protection than a soft-sided roller or bag. But my strategy whenever challenged is to simply unpack the gear and carry it all on loose, like a camera with a lens attached off each shoulder (because the airlines allow this) and let the airline check the empty case. Enough of the gear can generally fit in my personal item and a lens like the Canon 200-400 I just put on the floor and keep between my feet during the flight. If I anticipate possible problems with my roller (like if traveling on a discount airline), I pack an empty, thin, lightly padded bag inside my personal item to use to carry stuff I've removed from the roller, if I have to check the roller.
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p.5 #12Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
kwalsh wrote:
Camera Labs just published their review with test chart shots, distant target shots and a number of full resolution shots from the zoo, including wide open at 600mm. The word “soft” doesn’t come up in their review .
They don’t compare directly with the Sony and so of course it is still very possible the Sony is sharpER wide open when viewed at 100%. Some of the zoo shots are at higher ISO which can make sharpness harder to evaluate and one seems to have motion blur. Typical of super telephoto lens reviews not done by wildlife photographers! That said, it is extremely difficult to claim any of their 600mm F/6.3 shots are anything other than “sharp”. Copy variation?
p.5 #14Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
rscheffler wrote:
If that was true, it would be true for any roller carry-on suitcase that most people are traveling with. But the reality is that these carry-on rollers are pretty long (22"/56cm) and the overhead bins are only that deep (they fit exactly), so it's not like they're partially hanging out and the slightest nudge will cause them to slide out. It would rather be an improperly secured or damaged compartment door that suddenly opens during extreme turbulence, but that's extremely rare. The greatest danger IMO is from the doofuses who stuff their duty-free liquor bottles in the overheads without the flight attendants noticing, as those are hard and heavy and can easily fall out when opening the compartment door.
In any case, this has not ever been my experience traveling with the older Pelican 1510 (which is heavier than the 1535 Air) and what I use now, the Pelican BA22 Elite Carry On (now discontinued) if traveling US domestic flights on reasonably sized jets (like 737, A320 or Embraer 175/195). These roller carry-ons are typically required to go in the overhead bins and your smaller 'personal item' under the seat in front of you. The roller carry-ons are actually usually too long to fit under the seat and would have to be rotated to not jut out from under the seat and block egress from the row in the case of an emergency. But if rotated, would infringe on your neighbor's legroom.
True, as in I traveled with a friend who ran into this problem and witnessed this first hand. As I said some airlines made a fuzz about this type of case and other no problem at all. I am not working for a competing product so no need to lie or make up any story here. Why they picked on Pelican type case and not other roller case, I don't know and it does not really matter. I only reported what I witnessed. I traveled at lease with 2 friends who have this type of cases, one is still using it, the other did not want to be bother with the potential hazzle and switched to different type of carry on.
Yep, and while comparing sharpness numbers across systems is fraught what they do clearly show is the Sony not getting any sharper stopped down at 600mm while the Nikon does. So that definitely matches your result.
The CameraLabs sample on the other had does not show this behavior at the test chart distance:
600mm F/6.3
600mm F/8
Nor at infinity:
600mm F/6.3
600mm F/8
But of course a daytime shot at that distance is more likely to reflect the conditions of the atmosphere than the lens!
Anyway, curious to see the diversity of results. The 14-30/4S had a lot of inconsistent reviews at introduction. Definitely seems to be other qualified testers of the 180-600 showing the same behavior as your copy - so the behavior doesn't seem to be a one-off.
p.5 #18Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
duncang wrote: kwalsh wroteCamera Labs just published their review with test chart shots, distant target shots and a number of full resolution shots from the zoo, including wide open at 600mm. The word “soft” doesn’t come up in their review .
They don’t compare directly with the Sony and so of course it is still very possible the Sony is sharpER wide open when viewed at 100%. Some of the zoo shots are at higher ISO which can make sharpness harder to evaluate and one seems to have motion blur. Typical of super telephoto lens reviews not done by wildlife photographers! That said, it is extremely difficult to claim any of their 600mm F/6.3 shots are anything other than “sharp”. Copy variation?
I make that about 25% less sharp at 600mm than the Sony 200-600 wide open, if these are accurate, and of course potential sample variation. Thanks for posting
p.5 #19Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
I have no idea what Nikon is doing sending out these lenses. There is someone on another board that ordered July 1st (non NPS, Nikon direct) and had his order fulfilled, and yet several of us who ordered in June haven't heard a peep.
p.5 #20Official Nikon Z 180-600mm f5.6-6.3 VR Image Thread
BPsmith511 wrote:
I have no idea what Nikon is doing sending out these lenses. There is someone on another board that ordered July 1st (non NPS, Nikon direct) and had his order fulfilled, and yet several of us who ordered in June haven't heard a peep.
Nikon tends to ship out initial batches of lenses evenly across stores that ordered them rather than allocating them according to the number of preorders for each store. I.e.
Let's say that a large New York City store got 10000 preorders, and a local store 3. Nikon at first sends out 1 lens to each store. If you are in the line at the big store, you'll most likely have a longer wait ahead of you, until supply catches up with demand (which could be a long time from now). You also need to know which stores are in good standing with Nikon, if you want your lens to be delivered among the first. These are basic skills that you learn as a Nikon user. ;-) Or you could just wait for the rush to be over and get the lens at a lower price.