Chris Dees wrote:
I have quite a few chipped old (MF) Nikkor lenses and with the FTZ I have to put the lens on it’s lowest aperture (highest nummer) and then use the frontwheel to dial in the aperture. All EXIF information will be recorded. If I don’t set the lens on its lowest aperture, I’ll get an error (ERR).
So aperture is only set by command wheel, and totally manual? I think I'll stick with Fuji/Fringer.
RoamingScott wrote:
Looks like older F mount cameras could pull it off via a setting in the menu, but not so for the Z bodies.
Yup, when I had a D750 and then a D850 (as well as a rented DF) you could select a bunch of F mount lenses in the menu, and store them. Then when you mount one, you just pull that up w a custom function setting of your choosing, and the camera knows what the lens is. Aperture feeler etc worked perfectly. It was like using the lens on an old F3. Really nice.
The Zf, with all the retro and very nice knobs and dials, begs to be used in the same way.
Joseph. wrote:
I waited for this release but it's disappointing IMO. Sticking with Fuji.
What's disappointed to me is great body, but no lenses to properly match to it for the full retro vibe.
The 40mm f2 SE - plastic build w no aperture ring and a plastic lens mount. $306
The equivalent Fuji - 27mm 2.8 (about 40mm equivalent) -metal build, metal aperture ring, metal mount. $399
I still really like the Zf. It just seems there could be more to like!
Desmolicious wrote:
What's disappointed to me is great body, but no lenses to properly match to it for the full retro vibe.
The 40mm f2 SE - plastic build w no aperture ring and a plastic lens mount. $306
The equivalent Fuji - 27mm 2.8 (about 40mm equivalent) -metal build, metal aperture ring, metal mount. $399
I still really like the Zf. It just seems there could be more to like!
Likely an FTZ III on the way. I can’t see them designing a camera like this without manual aperture functionality for F-mount lenses.
I would be coming into the system without any legacy Nikon glass, so this would restrict me either adapting vintage glass on dummy adapters or buying CV-Z lenses, what few there are. I don’t much care about EXIF for aperture, but I do care about getting to use the aperture ring of lenses that have one.
Desmolicious wrote:
What's disappointed to me is great body, but no lenses to properly match to it for the full retro vibe.
The 40mm f2 SE - plastic build w no aperture ring and a plastic lens mount. $306
The equivalent Fuji - 27mm 2.8 (about 40mm equivalent) -metal build, metal aperture ring, metal mount. $399
I still really like the Zf. It just seems there could be more to like!
27/2.8 => 40/4.2 equivalent. I'll take the two stops additional DoF control and the $100 over the aperture ring and metal mount
But seriously, I get what you are saying and it is a part of the "retro" disconnect for the Nikon product line. In contrast the Fuji 27/2.8 is tiny and they still put an aperture ring on it.
All the Z lenses scream "modern" and to be honest I disable all their control rings because they aren't click stopped and are just a recipe for inadvertently changing controls. And don't get me started on those worthless little displays they put on some of the lenses too. That said, configurable rings are fine with the standard "modern" Z bodies where I greatly prefer exposure controls on the front and rear dials than playing with a ring on the lens.
Bring in the Zf and Zfc and they just don't connect with the lenses on the controls level. Honking chunky, clicky control dials on the body for shutter, ISO and exposure compensation. Either no aperture ring, or freely spinning aperture control ring on the lenses.
On the visual level I actually think the SE versions look worse with the cheesy attempt at a chrome ring. I'd prefer the look of the non-SE 40/2 and 28/2.8 on the Zf to be honest. But that's just personal preference. The lack of an aperture control at all commensurate with the other exposure controls on the Zf body is a big disconnect. And it is fundamentally irreconcilable with their existing lens line up.
The 40/2 matches up better with the Fuji 35/1.4, as the crop sensor makes the DOF line up very similar. If my 40/2 performs as well as my 35/1.4, I’ll be very happy!
The 27/2.8 is a bit like a 40/4 when considering sensor size. I hear it’s a nice lens, but it’s in an entirely different class.
I really couldn’t care less about the materials. Plastics are nicer in the cold, and metals are better to keep your backpack from floating away.
I would also have been happy to have an aperture ring. Nikon just didn’t go that way with Z, and I doubt they’ll change now. They could have at least given us a control ring, but the Internet would have complained it wasn’t a ‘real’ aperture ring!
The Zf and XT5 are more similar than they are different. The XT5 looks better on paper, but I think it’ll be close enough to be more up to personal preferences.
For me, it’s close enough that I could see trading in most of my Fuji X kit. Maybe. We'll see.
Desmolicious wrote:
What's disappointed to me is great body, but no lenses to properly match to it for the full retro vibe.
The 40mm f2 SE - plastic build w no aperture ring and a plastic lens mount. $306
The equivalent Fuji - 27mm 2.8 (about 40mm equivalent) -metal build, metal aperture ring, metal mount. $399
I still really like the Zf. It just seems there could be more to like!
CKrueger wrote:
The 40/2 matches up better with the Fuji 35/1.4, as the crop sensor makes the DOF line up very similar. If my 40/2 performs as well as my 35/1.4, I’ll be very happy!
The 27/2.8 is a bit like a 40/4 when considering sensor size. I hear it’s a nice lens, but it’s in an entirely different class.
I really couldn’t care less about the materials. Plastics are nicer in the cold, and metals are better to keep your backpack from floating away.
I would also have been happy to have an aperture ring. Nikon just didn’t go that way with Z, and I doubt they’ll change now. They could have at least given us a control ring, but the Internet would have complained it wasn’t a ‘real’ aperture ring!
The Zf and XT5 are more similar than they are different. The XT5 looks better on paper, but I think it’ll be close enough to be more up to personal preferences.
For me, it’s close enough that I could see trading in most of my Fuji X kit. Maybe. We'll see.
Desmolicious wrote:
Ahhh, ok. So the FTZ acts like a dumb adapter with your unchipped ZF lens. Ok, your experience is the same as the rest of ours! In your original post I read it that you can use the aperture ring on your chipped lenses to set aperture.
Yes, with chipped Z-mount Voigtlander lenses all of us *must* use the aperture ring to set aperture. This is what I wrote (I hope ...).
Do you know that Z-mount Voigtlander lenses do not need any adapter?
molson wrote:
It's not like Nikon actually cares about this... the micro SD card slot is just the cynical engineers ticking off the "must have dual card slots" box imposed on them by the marketing department.
I think this is the most absurd, cynical read of the situation possible. They didn't do it to satisfy "marketing", they did it because it was a response to whining about the single slot on the OG Z6. They'll never win with some people
Chris Dees wrote:
Yes to aperture.
What do you mean with "totally manual"?
The aperture that the lens is actually at is the same as indicated in the display, and follows the adjustmemt by the wheel.
The Frimger allows use of the aperture ring on a lens with a chip, and even if you set the lens to f/8 for example the lens actually stays at full aperture (as it would on an slr) until you halfpress the shutter release. In order to do this (and to meter correctly) it needs the chip to tell the camera what the max aperture of the lens is, and what aperture the ring is set to. It has a small motor in the adapter to stop the lens down as you press the shutter release.
It does this with my Voigtlander 40mm f/2 Ultron SLII and also with AF mount lenses with at least one exception (a Sigma 24mm f/2.8 Superwide II)
Desmolicious wrote:
What's disappointed to me is great body, but no lenses to properly match to it for the full retro vibe.
The 40mm f2 SE - plastic build w no aperture ring and a plastic lens mount. $306
The equivalent Fuji - 27mm 2.8 (about 40mm equivalent) -metal build, metal aperture ring, metal mount. $399
I still really like the Zf. It just seems there could be more to like!
Let me revise that.. I don't mind buying one, I was just hoping they'd come out with a silver/chrome version. Disappointed that it only came in black.
You can always use a Z-mount Voigtlander, and it's all metal and have aperture ring for the "full retro vibe"
jlafferty wrote:
I think this is the most absurd, cynical read of the situation possible. They didn't do it to satisfy "marketing", they did it because it was a response to whining about the single slot on the OG Z6. They'll never win with some people
Bring in the Zf and Zfc and they just don't connect with the lenses on the controls level. Honking chunky, clicky control dials on the body for shutter, ISO and exposure compensation. Either no aperture ring, or freely spinning aperture control ring on the lenses.
On the visual level I actually think the SE versions look worse with the cheesy attempt at a chrome ring. I'd prefer the look of the non-SE 40/2 and 28/2.8 on the Zf to be honest. But that's just personal preference. The lack of an aperture control at all commensurate with the other exposure controls on the Zf body is a big disconnect. And it is fundamentally irreconcilable with their existing lens line up. ...Show more →
I really don't think Nikon will release any lenses more fitting to the ZF ideal. It seems that as far as lenses go, adding a plastic silver trim ring to make it look vintage-y is good enough.
It's a bummer, because they nailed it with the camera!
An FTZ w an aperture follower would resolve those complaints...
Joseph. wrote:
Let me revise that.. I don't mind buying one, I was just hoping they'd come out with a silver/chrome version. Disappointed that it only came in black.
You can always use a Z-mount Voigtlander, and it's all metal and have aperture ring for the "full retro vibe"
And apparently with the Z Voigtlanders, the aperture rings work as expected - in Aperture Priority mode you can use the ring to set aperture, and not have to set it to F16 or 22 and use a camera dial.
I'd be all over that solution if I did not already have lots of F glass because I am still a Nikon film body user.
If I didn't have any Nikon legacy glass, I'd shut my pie hole and go with Voigtlander's Z offerings. And most prob that Nikon 40 SE for when I am lazy..
fjablo wrote:
I really enjoyed the hands-on video linked below - he takes some very nice pictures imo, sometimes using old Nikkor lenses and shows many of the features more clearly than the shorter review videos. Audio is in Chinese, but it has decent English sub-titles.
I am generally a fan though I don’t love the articulated screen. I have a Z6II but mostly use my A7SII these days, I don’t love the Z’s bulbous body, though it is comfortable with bigger lenses. Single SD slot, pretty sure it’s incapable of photos. I don’t disagree their are much better cards , they’re just bigger with less convenient readers and cost more. And I actually use V30 Micro SD cards in adapters even in my Z6II, almost never pull the CF out unless I forgot to put a SD in. Spent plenty of time with a A7R(I II III) and don’t have much interest in more than 24MP. I’m not sure if all that makes me a Luddite or terrible photographer. But pretty sure I’m not interested in the Zf because I need any kind of upgrade from the Z6/Z6II.
