genjy wrote:
Some Nikon cameras you can't just select Auto ISO from the ISO's assigned command dial. You have to turn it on/off in the menu.
On every Nikon I body I have owned that I can remember, while holding down the ISO button, the front dial toggles Auto ISO on/off and the rear dial changes the ISO value (if not in Auto). You can of course customize that further. Sounds like the Zf might be different here.
Nikon's Auto ISO works broadly the same as everyone else. The only thing you can't do is assign the auto ISO minimum shutter speed to a dial or Fn button, but there are workarounds.
I pre-ordered a Zf this morning from B&H (website). A few minutes ago there was a >$4000 fraudulent charge to the card. While there is no direct evidence the card info was compromised at B&H, it seems likely to me since I have not used the card anywhere else recently. I am generally cautious with my cards and would have used PayPal instead, but pre-orders paid by PayPal are charged immediately, unlike credit cards.
I realize this is marginally off-topic, so I’ll add that I’m really excited with the final specs of the Zf. Nikon has ticked most all the boxes for me, and eliminated most of the annoyances of the Zfc. I like that I don’t have to adopt a new battery size, and that the LCD screen has a protected (closed) position. I’ll want to add the Smallrig grip, but other than that I think it will make a better everyday and travel camera than anything else I have (Z8, Z5, Zfc, DSLRs).
CanadaMark wrote:
Someone will have to measure it, it's not a published figure, especially for non-stacked sensors.
It will be much slower than a Z8/Z9 sensor as it is not stacked. The readout speed of the Z8/Z9 is 1/270sec which is about 3.7 milliseconds. That is faster than any other FF stacked sensor and also faster than the maximum sync speed of a D6. The Z6 has a readout speed of around 50ms or 1/20 second for 14bit stills. The Zf may see an improvement there but it will be nowhere near the Z8/Z9 as the lack of a stacked sensor is obviously a hardware limitation with regards to readout speed....Show more →
IMX410 can do around 20 fps full sensor read in 14bit and around 40fps in 12 bit.
Actual read speed will be at least the 1/fps but usually not much more, if any. If the sensor is topping out at these numbers it’s almost certainly the same as Z6 II.
AdaptedLenses wrote:
Has anyone seen more about B&W mode? Probably not that exciting if details are sparse.
B&W mode on a color sensor is a false option that is applied to jpegs, and the EVF & rear screen. The RAW still contains all the color info.
On a true B&W sensor the Bayer color filter is removed from the sensor. This make a huge difference in image quality, with better low light performance, lower noise, higher dynamic range, and more detail in the image. If you are interested in learning about this, and seeing sample images research the Leica M11 Monochrome camera.
RoamingScott wrote:
This is the real head scratcher. No Auto ISO on the dial means I'd never buy this camera. It totally defeats the point of tactile controls if I have to menu dive for something so simple and so necessary.
Probably the dial is for setting target ISO when the camera is in Auto ISO mode. I mainly use Auto ISO and sometime non-auto ISO, but I rarely change between the two modes on the fly.
I’m getting the vibe from this thread that some Nikon users are so hungry for an upgraded body that is not the Z8 that they are willing to put their money into an ergonomic disaster that is missing crucial control elements and buying into marketing hype. I have a feeling we will see a large number of sold-at-a-heavy-loss Zf bodies for sale in the next 6 months as people realize that it’s mostly decent hardware in a gimmick body, hardware that will be much more useful in the Z6iii body style.
The Zf at $1200 is much more appealing than at $2000.
RoamingScott wrote:
I’m getting the vibe from this thread that some Nikon users are so hungry for an upgraded body that is not the Z8 that they are willing to put their money into an ergonomic disaster that is missing crucial control elements and buying into marketing hype. I have a feeling we will see a large number of sold-at-a-heavy-loss Zf bodies for sale in the next 6 months as people realize that it’s mostly decent hardware in a gimmick body, hardware that will be much more useful in the Z6iii body style.
The Zf at $1200 is much more appealing than at $2000. ...Show more →
Or maybe people have different preferences from you.
BeatX wrote:
Im just wonder...
.. Anyone have idea, what is the purpose for PASM switch on ZF, where this camera has dedicated ISO, SS and exp comp dials? (no lenses in Z mount lineup with proper aperture rings unfortunately)
The more I think of all this, the more Im confused.
It makes zero sense to me
genjy wrote:
Because unlike Fuji cameras', this Zf's SS and ISO dials don't have an "A" (automatic) setting, so you can't tell the camera to pick SS or ISO for you without PASM.
RoamingScott wrote:
This is the real head scratcher. No Auto ISO on the dial means I'd never buy this camera. It totally defeats the point of tactile controls if I have to menu dive for something so simple and so necessary.
If I recall correctly from the Df, the Auto ISO implementation worked in the following way:
Auto ISO Off: ISO Dial sets ISO
Auto ISO On: ISO Dial sets the effective base ISO. (or it limited the max ISO, cant recall which)
RoamingScott wrote:
I’m getting the vibe from this thread that some Nikon users are so hungry for an upgraded body that is not the Z8 that they are willing to put their money into an ergonomic disaster that is missing crucial control elements and buying into marketing hype. I have a feeling we will see a large number of sold-at-a-heavy-loss Zf bodies for sale in the next 6 months as people realize that it’s mostly decent hardware in a gimmick body, hardware that will be much more useful in the Z6iii body style.
The Zf at $1200 is much more appealing than at $2000. ...Show more →
Some may be buying it because it looks fun and appealing to use.
I’m interested. But I’m definitely letting it flush out a few months to see what reviews are and if the ZF has a recall.
And even if the reviews are good, the lack of lenses with aperture rings is a real turn off. I primarily shoot Nikon, but I have a little Fuji XT30 for carrying around town. I would love to replace that with this camera, but my fear is it’s more gimmick than good in practice.
Hysterical. The camera doesn’t look like a DSLR, so it’s a gimmick. 🙄
There’s an “auto tab” under the top ISO dial. There are standard Nikon thumb and finger dials around the grip. You can make it as auto as you want. Or…learn to shoot manual.
I used a DF for wedding for a season. The weakest part of the DF wasn’t the ergonomics. It was the D600 AF module and the 1/4000s shutter speed. Nikon crippled the camera so it wouldn’t compete with the D4. Just dumb.
The ZF may not be 100% Z8 worthy, but isn’t a crippled camera like the DF. AF sensitivity down to -10 bests all FX and DX mirrorless cameras - even if it’s a fuzz better than the Z8.
RoamingScott wrote:
Undoubtedly. I prefer not to waste large sums of money on gimmicks.
Yea, well aware the advantages and that B&W mode can’t remove the bayer filter. Nikon “could” in theory do more processing with B&W in mind but doesn’t seem that’s the case, otherwise they likely would have called it out.
But if they want to offer a Monochrome Zf… well one can dream.
1bwana1 wrote:
B&W mode on a color sensor is a false option that is applied to jpegs, and the EVF & rear screen. The RAW still contains all the color info.
On a true B&W sensor the Bayer color filter is removed from the sensor. This make a huge difference in image quality, with better low light performance, lower noise, higher dynamic range, and more detail in the image. If you are interested in learning about this, and seeing sample images research the Leica M11 Monochrome camera.
RoamingScott wrote:
I’m getting the vibe from this thread that some Nikon users are so hungry for an upgraded body that is not the Z8 that they are willing to put their money into an ergonomic disaster that is missing crucial control elements and buying into marketing hype.
I think it's too early to call this a disaster. I don't see many in-depth tests yet and a lot of people will connect with the Zf regardless. But I think you're probably right. This is Nikon's chance to repackage the old Z6 sensor in a new body, using features from the Z8 and the upcoming Z6/Z7 III. They just conveniently failed to mention a Z6 or Z7 mark III, which must be right around the corner.
This means they hope to capitalize on the Zf first. Nothing wrong with that but I agree, it doesn't seem smart to "upgrade" a Z6 to the Zf if what you really want is a new Z6 III.
Personally I would rather shoot a Zf than a Z6. We'll see what Nikon has to offer soon though I think.
