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Archive 2023 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf

  
 
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p.21 #1 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


craigjohn wrote:
Where is anyone seeing the sensor scan speed, and how does it compare to the Z6 II and the Z8?


I'm curious about this too, and the performance of the EVF in CH+



Sep 20, 2023 at 01:47 PM
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p.21 #2 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Has anyone seen more about B&W mode? Probably not that exciting if details are sparse.


Sep 20, 2023 at 02:17 PM
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p.21 #3 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


My biggest gripe, especially since there is zero reason for it. The setting is in the body, the Df would save it with no mechanical info…

fjablo wrote:
Absolutely!

In the meantime the Shoten FZ1 at least matches the looks nicely

(but focal length won’t be recorded to Exif, at least isn’t on the current Z bodies if one doesn’t use the FTZ)




Sep 20, 2023 at 02:18 PM
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p.21 #4 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


AdaptedLenses wrote:
Has anyone seen more about B&W mode? Probably not that exciting if details are sparse.


What about it? It's just a few new Picture Controls. You'll be better off shooting RAW as always. It's a gimmick for the JPEG-only casuals this camera is aimed at.



Sep 20, 2023 at 02:36 PM
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p.21 #5 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


RoamingScott wrote:
What about it? It's just a few new Picture Controls. You'll be better off shooting RAW as always. It's a gimmick for the JPEG-only casuals this camera is aimed at.


I assume that is true (that it is just a few extra Picture Controls). But I'm sure you know that the PC's are preserved in the raw data and reproduced with NX and (to some extent) with LR. It remains to be seen exactly what they've tweaked for these modes.



Sep 20, 2023 at 02:45 PM
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p.21 #6 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


glassartist wrote:
I assume that is true (that it is just a few extra Picture Controls). But I'm sure you know that the PC's are preserved in the raw data and reproduced with NX and (to some extent) with LR. It remains to be seen exactly what they've tweaked for these modes.


You can watch any of the "preview/review" videos and they go into the mode and how they are just extra PCs.



Sep 20, 2023 at 02:48 PM
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p.21 #7 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Im just wonder...
.. Anyone have idea, what is the purpose for PASM switch on ZF, where this camera has dedicated ISO, SS and exp comp dials? (no lenses in Z mount lineup with proper aperture rings unfortunately)
The more I think of all this, the more Im confused.
It makes zero sense to me



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:05 PM
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p.21 #8 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf




Desmolicious wrote:
Now that the ZF is out, the ideal accessory for this retro camera would be a new FTZ adapter that has an aperture follower tab for old MF lenses....


Would need the motor to actuate the diaphragm too

Like Fringer does....



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:19 PM
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p.21 #9 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


BeatX wrote:
Im just wonder...
.. Anyone have idea, what is the purpose for PASM switch on ZF, where this camera has dedicated ISO, SS and exp comp dials? (no lenses in Z mount lineup with proper aperture rings unfortunately)
The more I think of all this, the more Im confused.
It makes zero sense to me


Because unlike Fuji cameras', this Zf's SS and ISO dials don't have an "A" (automatic) setting, so you can't tell the camera to pick SS for you without PASM.


Edited on Sep 20, 2023 at 03:48 PM · View previous versions



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:44 PM
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p.21 #10 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


BeatX wrote:
Im just wonder...
.. Anyone have idea, what is the purpose for PASM switch on ZF, where this camera has dedicated ISO, SS and exp comp dials? (no lenses in Z mount lineup with proper aperture rings unfortunately)
The more I think of all this, the more Im confused.
It makes zero sense to me


Many people aren't savvy or brave enough to use the dials. Maybe they want to grow into it.

Or maybe you're handing the camera for someone else to use for a bit, you throw it in full auto.

It's a good feature that takes almost no space on the camera.



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:44 PM
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p.21 #11 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


genjy wrote:
Because unlike Fuji cameras', this Zf's SS and ISO dials don't have an "A" (automatic) setting, so you can't tell the camera to pick SS or ISO for you without PASM.


This is the real head scratcher. No Auto ISO on the dial means I'd never buy this camera. It totally defeats the point of tactile controls if I have to menu dive for something so simple and so necessary.



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:45 PM
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p.21 #12 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I have had the X-H2S for months and still have 0 idea how to access auto iso on it (I do, but have no idea how to get exposure comp to work), yet, I create images with it so it's a beef I don't even bother with.
RoamingScott wrote:
This is the real head scratcher. No Auto ISO on the dial means I'd never buy this camera. It totally defeats the point of tactile controls if I have to menu dive for something so simple and so necessary.





Sep 20, 2023 at 03:50 PM
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p.21 #13 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf



RoamingScott wrote:
This is the real head scratcher. No Auto ISO on the dial means I'd never buy this camera. It totally defeats the point of tactile controls if I have to menu dive for something so simple and so necessary.


I always hear Nikon is really weird about Auto ISO... I know in the older DSLRs you have to do like a workaround with custom button just to have fast access to Auto ISO.



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:50 PM
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p.21 #14 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


craigjohn wrote:
Where is anyone seeing the sensor scan speed, and how does it compare to the Z6 II and the Z8?


Someone will have to measure it, it's not a published figure, especially for non-stacked sensors.

It will be much slower than a Z8/Z9 sensor as it is not stacked. The readout speed of the Z8/Z9 is 1/270sec which is about 3.7 milliseconds. That is faster than any other FF stacked sensor and also faster than the maximum sync speed of a D6. The Z6 has a readout speed of around 50ms or 1/20 second for 14bit stills. The Zf may see an improvement there but it will be nowhere near the Z8/Z9 as the lack of a stacked sensor is obviously a hardware limitation with regards to readout speed.



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:51 PM
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p.21 #15 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


CanadaMark wrote:
Someone will have to measure it, it's not a published figure, especially for non-stacked sensors.

It will be much slower than a Z8/Z9 sensor as it is not stacked. The readout speed of the Z8/Z9 is 1/270sec which is about 3.7 milliseconds. That is faster than any other FF stacked sensor and also faster than the maximum sync speed of a D6. The Z6 has a readout speed of around 50ms or 1/20 second for 14bit stills. The Zf may see an improvement there but it will be nowhere near the Z8/Z9 as the lack of a stacked sensor is obviously
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I saw a video (Ricci?) were it says the Zf has about twice the readout speed of the Z6II.



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:54 PM
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p.21 #16 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


genjy wrote:
Because unlike Fuji cameras', this Zf's SS and ISO dials don't have an "A" (automatic) setting, so you can't tell the camera to pick SS for you without PASM.


Are You sure?



I can see on top control dials position "C" on ISO and exp comp dials.
I suppose It means, that those dials can be controlled by front and rear control dial on camera.
On SS dial there is position "X", and I have no clue what is its purpose.
But I would not be surprised, if it would be position to let camera set SS by front or rear command dials.
If it is a true, so controls are identical as in Fuji cameras

Edited on Sep 20, 2023 at 04:01 PM · View previous versions



Sep 20, 2023 at 03:59 PM
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p.21 #17 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


genjy wrote:
I always hear Nikon is really weird about Auto ISO... I know in the older DSLRs you have to do like a workaround with custom button just to have fast access to Auto ISO.


I have no idea what "Nikon is really weird about Auto ISO" means in practice. I hold ISO down and roll the command wheel and it toggles between auto and set. Without an ISO button, or an A setting on the physical wheel, that means menu diving on a camera like the Z f. Fail.



Sep 20, 2023 at 04:00 PM
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p.21 #18 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


RoamingScott wrote:
I have no idea what "Nikon is really weird about Auto ISO" means in practice. I hold ISO down and roll the command wheel and it toggles between auto and set. Without an ISO button, or an A setting on the physical wheel, that means menu diving on a camera like the Z f. Fail.


Some Nikon cameras you can't just select Auto ISO from the ISO's assigned command dial. You have to turn it on/off in the menu.



Sep 20, 2023 at 04:08 PM
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p.21 #19 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Chris Dees wrote:
I saw a video (Ricci?) were it says the Zf has about twice the readout speed of the Z6II.


Good news if that's the case. I watched his video and he also said it was the same sensor as the Z6II so it wasn't clear to me.



Sep 20, 2023 at 04:10 PM
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p.21 #20 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


BeatX wrote:
Are You sure?

https://www.optyczne.pl/upload2/282392_zf-3.jpg

I can see on top control dials position "C" on ISO and exp comp dials.
I suppose It means, that those dials can be controlled by front and rear control dial on camera.
On SS dial there is position "X", and I have no clue what is its purpose.
But I would not be surprised, if it would be position to let camera set SS by front or rear command dials.
If it is a true, so controls are identical as in Fuji cameras


I think 1/3 Step is command dial? B is bulb and T is timer?

What is X? Hmmm

Edited on Sep 20, 2023 at 04:14 PM · View previous versions



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