If they got this camera right I might even drop Fuji for it.
I will still have to use Z lenses which means a jog wheel for aperture. But using my manual glass on it would probably be easier than it was on the Df. Loved the Df but nailing critical focus was challenging even with the >o< assist thingy.
ottokbre wrote:
If they got this camera right I might even drop Fuji for it.
I will still have to use Z lenses which means a jog wheel for aperture. But using my manual glass on it would probably be easier than it was on the Df. Loved the Df but nailing critical focus was challenging even with the >o< assist thingy.
100%. The green dot had a range to it, and the viewfinder on the Df wasn't that great. Odd being what the camera was designed for. Much prefer the Z6 MF experience.
- Slightly bigger than Zfc to accommodate IBIS and makes it easier to hold
- Better construction please. Zfc felt like Barbie. Not asking for an AR-15 like build but just less plastic and more solid.
- Hybrid EVF/OVF.
- Focus peaking (zebras), but also auto magnify when manual focusing
- Ability to store 200+ non-cpu lenses from any manufacturer. Voigt? yes. Zeiss? sure. and most importantly, VINTAGE NIKKOR GLASS. Yes sir.
- Special adapter for vintage Nikkors that interfaces with the AI tab so the body can change aperture when you turn the aperture ring. Hell maybe include a tiny motor too so you can AF with vintage glass, which defeats the retro feel purpose but that's another story in another thread.
- Dare I say it? Film Simulations. Velvia X Kodakchrome plus DIY recipes. Connect to the phone app, play with recipe, upload back to camera. Boom.
-Available in silver/chrome, black, and special edition colors like Leica ghost or safari edition. Also customizable leather skin colors.
While we're dreaming, they should also introduce new retro lenses for it, with aperture rings of course, Fuji style.
- 16 2.8 Z Fisheye
- 28 1.4 Z
- 55 1.4 Z
Will not be selling my Fuji for this system, but I will definitely buy a full frame Z F!
From what I was told, it is basically a Z6ii inside in retro body. I have no interest in Z6 ii and uses
Z Fc mainly for casual shooting. If Z F is light and small enough, I might replace Z Fc with it.
ilkka_nissila wrote:
I really like the Z6 II's sensor and would welcome a Zf with 24 MP. However, it would be great if they put in Expeed 7 for improved autofocus, including features such as custom wide area AF and Prores video modes.
I think 24 MP for 35mm sensor size is a great practical compromise between image quality at low and high ISO, file size and ease of providing sufficient full sensor read video modes (6K->4K or FullHD) without so much pointless number crunching (which is necessary when starting from an 8K sensor). The Z6II provides better dynamic range than Z8/9 at every equal ISO. It would be too bad if they don't combine this excellent sensor with modern processors and AF features.
Today most image use involves very little resolution as images are presented online and in apps which are viewed on tiny screems held some distance away. Making prints that are large enough to show benefit from the higher resolution sensors is not that common. (I do make a lot of prints A3+ and smaller but I am an anomaly in that). People spend huge amounts of money on cameras and lenses but are so cheap that the cost of making a print breaks the camel's back it seems. For video, high resolution is little value and even can be a downside as the detail distracts from the movement and essence of the story and consumes bandwidth that could be used for more important things such as high quality audio. I find it ironic that DVD sales exceeds that of blu-ray (FullHD) let alone 4K UHD discs. In my opinion blu-ray easily defeats streaming platforms because of the high data rate especially given to audio, for a much better sound experience. Yet people choose to ignore it.
I love the kind of user interface with mechanical dials that can be set without looking at displays or even having the camera's power on. ...Show more →
Well, I do like Z6 sensor, however,That is not really the point. Releasing a new camera in mid 2023 with the same sensor and no real invention or improvement, just in retro skin because it is fashon, in itself is an insult. If they rework AF sensor array , use the newer chip to maximize what you can squeeze out, use quality material for body, and Improve ergonomic, such as MF assist you see in Sony, or add zebra, Z8 type flip screen, or whatever so that it is not a left over meal in classic China, then it begins to feel like there was some real thinking goin on. Put just the available parts, and plastic classic skin really does not justify releasing a new camera. It is a waste of energy.
If you use a smart adaptor like the TZE-02 and the FE Voigtlanders and Zeiss Alicia you get green dot focus confirmation.
fjablo wrote:
I was wondering about that as well and it still seems to be unmatched in low light, but probably more likely they go with the 24mp sensor.
Another thing that would be great if enabled: focus confirmation for adapted / non-CPU lenses. The DSLRs do that with the green dot, but the only solution for the Z's is via the TTartisan 6bit adapter (and thus a limited set of focal lengths). We can probably add that to the list of "would have been nice" after release
I'll likely pick one up as well (at least eventually, maybe not this year) and probably also a Voigtländer lens. Still unsure which one though, a bit torn between the 50mm APO and the 40mm.. ...Show more →
It would not be like the Z6 II in performance if they use Expeed 7 which is more than an order or magnitude faster than Expeed 6. It would likely recognize, track and focus much better than the Z6 II and offer better quality video and better video AF as well.
akul wrote:
Well, I do like Z6 sensor, however,That is not really the point. Releasing a new camera in mid 2023 with the same sensor and no real invention or improvement, just in retro skin because it is fashon, in itself is an insult. If they rework AF sensor array , use the newer chip to maximize what you can squeeze out, use quality material for body, and Improve ergonomic, such as MF assist you see in Sony, or add zebra, Z8 type flip screen, or whatever so that it is not a left over meal in classic China, then it begins to feel like there was some real thinking goin on. Put just the available parts, and plastic classic skin really does not justify releasing a new camera. It is a waste of energy.
AdaptedLenses wrote:
If you use a smart adaptor like the TZE-02 and the FE Voigtlanders and Zeiss Alicia you get green dot focus confirmation.
Yep. Same when using the TTartisan 6bit adapter. But it’s an arbitrary Limitation set by Nikon. The camera only needs the focal length information (maybe not even that) and they could easily enable this functionality for all adapted lenses. I‘d be fine if it was limited to the FTZ..
The more I think about it the more I‘d prefer this camera to be styled like the F3- including its increased size to accommodate IBIS, but pretty sure they will go with the FM-style again.
I'd take older Z6ii camera guts if they priced it low enough (of course, that won't happen). I see it more as a handling / operation experience than replacement for the new style controls, which I prefer for high productivity / speedy shooting when light and conditions are changing fast. Maybe it's because I've been shooting the new "button and dial" way for quite awhile now.
New FTZ to support more MF focus aids, and aperture recording for aperture ring older style lenses.
While screw drive AF would be nice, I personally want a ZF for a low price; I'd be OK if leaving this out means lower prices.
Higher res EVF to better support manual focusing.
Some some software stuff they could actually implement in all bodies now:
-switchable automatic magnification when the focus ring is turned
-zoom out when shutter release is pressed instead of having to hit OK again
-Record everything else about the exposure with the current FTZs (except shooting aperture since the current FTZs have no way of knowing shooting aperture)
Or they could stick Z6/7 guts into an F3HP body, with switchable (1) full optical path intact and OVF finder, AND (2) have Mirror lock up and EVF (after all, you could switch viewfinders on the F3). I might learn to live with full stop shutter speeds in manual exposure mode :-) One can dream right? And, yes, I can imagine a lot of the challenges and problems such a contraption would involve.
My guess, if they do release a Zf, it's likely a rewarmed Z6ii with Zfc styling and capabilities. At the very least I hope they add IBIS, a grip (the F3 had a grip of sorts that was better than the flat Zfc), and perhaps up the EVF resolution, all of which is relatively low cost without anything really new to develop.
Not sure if it’s been said yet, but don’t even bother thinking about the D6 sensor. It doesn’t have on-sensor PDAF, so they’d have to make some significant changes to have it not be stuck on CDAF in a mirrorless model. The performance of the D6 AF wouldn’t be relevant as it’s in a separate CAM module that only works in with SLRs, digital or otherwise. (I’d have loved an F7 that used the D6 AF and could utilize E lenses, in a D850 body, but film cameras are definitely not a priority for Nikon!)
I suspect that, if we had not had the double-whammy of the market really shifting hard to mirrorless, and the pandemic, we probably would have gotten a D900 with the D6’s CAM. But that still would have the issues with AF Fine Tune and not being able to use the Z lenses. I love optical viewfinders, and I’ll keep my D850 forever as “the best overall DSLR,” but the advantages of the Z8 and Z lenses are very evident.
As for the Zf, if it’s so close to introduction, my opinions aren’t relevant; it will be what it is at this point. Briefly, I just want dials that don’t lie to you and have A positions like Fujifilm, rather than a PASM switch, including an A position on the ISO dial. I’d like styling and finishes like the F3/T (stippled black or champagne, though actually I think the FM2/T had the most attractive titanium finish of any camera I’ve ever held), and the Expeed7 processor from the Z8/Z9. I presume it’ll either have the Z6 or Z7 sensor, because I believe Thom Hogan that the MkIII midrange cameras aren’t out because the sensors aren’t ready. A top and bottom plate made of brass, for that old school robust feel. Finally, I don’t care about screw drive AF - which would just chainsaw through the battery when combined with mirrorless battery consumption, but PLEASE give us an FTZ with the aperture feeler for Ai/AiS lenses.
I also would not be opposed to a rangefinder-style similar to the Nikon S series cameras. I have an S3 2000 and it is nice not having my big nose smudging up the back of the camera. 😂
I adore rangerfinders. I would love if there was a Nikon analog to the X100 line but with ICLs instead of an integrated prime.
I think the market is primed for a high end retro camera instead of these $1000 plastic designer cams tailored for the small hands of the Japanese market. I would happily spend money on a metal body FM style Z cam that was thoughtfully designed to bring the best parts of the analog experience to digital. No one has really made that body yet, although the X100v comes very very close for me.
RoamingScott wrote:
I adore rangerfinders. I would love if there was a Nikon analog to the X100 line but with ICLs instead of an integrated prime.
I think the market is primed for a high end retro camera instead of these $1000 plastic designer cams tailored for the small hands of the Japanese market. I would happily spend money on a metal body FM style Z cam that was thoughtfully designed to bring the best parts of the analog experience to digital. No one has really made that body yet, although the X100v comes very very close for me.
I don't think it's that primed yet. People are waiting for Nikon's answer to the R6ii and A7iv, a more affordable utilitarian body aimed at a wider market of hybrid users who do both photos and videos. Which explains also why the initial reaction of this piece of news is lots of consternation.
Mid range shooters who want the Z6iii and disposable income shooters who wants a more niche high end retro camera can exist at once. No one waiting for the Z6iii would buy a Leica-competing specialty Z F.
unchecked wrote:
I don't think it's that primed yet. People are waiting for Nikon's answer to the R6ii and A7iv, a more affordable utilitarian body aimed at a wider market of hybrid users who do both photos and videos. Which explains also why the initial reaction of this piece of news is lots of consternation.
RoamingScott wrote:
I adore rangerfinders. I would love if there was a Nikon analog to the X100 line but with ICLs instead of an integrated prime.
Same. I never liked the X100 lens despite high flash synch capability. I want small interchangeable primes. I've been through a few Xpros but I do like full frame at 28mm and wider.
RoamingScott wrote:
Mid range shooters who want the Z6iii and disposable income shooters who wants a more niche high end retro camera can exist at once. No one waiting for the Z6iii would buy a Leica-competing specialty Z F.
Not really though. One side doesn't want the frivolous stuff the other side wants. That said, if Nikon can make a camera without gimping it too hard, maybe it can still pull double duty and we can still ignore all that extra stuff we're not using and don't care about. I'm withholding judgment until we see the camera and I'm simultaneously knowing I can live with it and it will be fine but I also won't be happy about it because it could have been a better more functional camera.
