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Archive 2023 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf

  
 
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p.14 #1 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Ya' know, the more i debate this camera, the more I worry about the handling. One of the things I liked the most coming back from Fuji was the grip on my Z series, and the button placement on that grip. Not sure if I want to give it up just yet for mostly styling, even if it would look nice with the 28mm SE lens I have. Maye just save the funds this time around.... We will see on launch day!


Aug 21, 2023 at 09:00 AM
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p.14 #2 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I've been shooting a new-to-me F100 for a month or so now alongside Z6II/7II and I've come to the conclusion that I really don't care what the camera looks like nearly so much as I care how it handles. Zfc handling was compromised to look and feel like an old film camera. My old film camera (F100) has controls that were the logical evolution of what actually works functionally and ergonomically. I'll take form over function.

-1,000,000 points to Nikon for the swivel screen. The ONE thing that the original Df did really well well was be photo-centric and conspicuously ignore video use. Would you design a hybrid still/video camera to look and handle like a Bolex?

+1,000 points to Nikon for modern AF and using their standard battery.

-1,001 points for SD cards, these just need to go away. YMMV

+2,000 points for IBIS



Aug 21, 2023 at 09:29 AM
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p.14 #3 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


In regards to size, I would wish the camera was exactly the same size as an FM3a. There is such a thing as too small (Sony RX1 series). Look at the the Leica Q...it's about the size of a film rangefinder. Feels good in the hand, you can actually hold it. When you make a camera for 'enthusiasts', which is what these film inspired digicams are, just lean into it.

Going even further, it would be cool if they instead styled it after the F2. I could imagine a pedestal adapter that would mimic the small pedestal you can see on the film versions, making it possible to extend the flange distance for F lenses, remove for Z...that's kind of over complicating it but I'm sure the FTZ will spoil the looks a small amount.



Aug 21, 2023 at 10:26 AM
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p.14 #4 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Yes, with the Zf, it's time for a FTZ SE.


Aug 21, 2023 at 12:15 PM
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p.14 #5 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


BSPhotog wrote:
I've been shooting a new-to-me F100 for a month or so now alongside Z6II/7II and I've come to the conclusion that I really don't care what the camera looks like nearly so much as I care how it handles. Zfc handling was compromised to look and feel like an old film camera. My old film camera (F100) has controls that were the logical evolution of what actually works functionally and ergonomically. I'll take form over function.

-1,000,000 points to Nikon for the swivel screen. The ONE thing that the original Df did really well well was be photo-centric and conspicuously
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I've lost track of the points count. Where are we?



Aug 21, 2023 at 01:39 PM
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BSPhotog wrote:
I've been shooting a new-to-me F100 for a month or so now alongside Z6II/7II and I've come to the conclusion that I really don't care what the camera looks like nearly so much as I care how it handles. Zfc handling was compromised to look and feel like an old film camera. My old film camera (F100) has controls that were the logical evolution of what actually works functionally and ergonomically. I'll take form over function.

-1,000,000 points to Nikon for the swivel screen. The ONE thing that the original Df did really well well was be photo-centric and conspicuously
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Nikon's attitude to the shape of their cameras has been 'confused', the 'modern' shape looks outwardly similar but there are surprising differences and inconsistencies. .
I bought (and still have) an F801, and liked the shape and grip. The camera is otherwise unimpressive, AF is dismal. The next was the F90, looks a similar design philosophy, but is much less comfortable for me with a thicker body and less 'depth' to the grip. Still have that one too and AF is much better. Later the F80 I had, and I think the F100 went back to the thinner body with deeper grip.
I still prefer the FM2n I bought at the same time, and that's the one that gets used occasionally
The first digital I got was D7000, sadly back to fat body shallow grip, as were the full frame ones at the time, but D750 went back again to the thinner body and deeper grip
I like my Xt3, like an FM2 with a small grip, and you can always ADD a grip, can't easily take it away. If the ZF is like that I would be happy. After a (long) lifetime of using both 'traditional' dials etc, on F, F2, F3, FM2, M3 and M6 as well as 'modern' wheels and dials on Nikons, and the Fujis which have both I don't mind which, they both work for me.
What I DO like about the old stuff, and the Fujis is having focus scales and DoF markers, sad that Nikon doesn't have them. Most of my AF primes have DoF tables taped to lens body or the outside of the hood, especially the wide angles, couldn't work without them.

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Aug 21, 2023 at 02:14 PM
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p.14 #7 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Desmolicious wrote:
I've lost track of the points count. Where are we?


-998,001 if my math checks out, but also the points don't matter.

The rotating screen is a non-starter for me. I tried to deal with it on the Zfc and just despised it. Glad they are making it and hopefully when it is released some other feature or benefit will come to light.



Aug 21, 2023 at 02:15 PM
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p.14 #8 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


In terms of form factor, I wish they would have given us a mirrorless version of the Df. Dedicated AF-On button, sizeable grip, and big enough to not feel too unbalanced with larger lenses, but still compact.

I don't really care too much about flippy vs non flippy screen, though I generally prefer a fixed screen (less crevices for dust/water to accumulate, and no risk of damaging the ribbon cable).

I think a modular, semi-permanent FTZ adapter would have been a nice touch though. Basically an FTZ adapter that's screwed onto the camera that can be removed (though not in the field) to convert it to Z-mount.



Aug 21, 2023 at 02:46 PM
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p.14 #9 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I prefer a swivel screen for this camera. I’ll be keeping it “closed”, ala XPro3.

A bigger deal to me is the 700g weight. I hang my (500g) XPro2 from my neck, and it’s already a bit heavy with a 35/1.4 or 56/1.2. A Zf plus any of the f/1.8 primes is a pretty heavy camera.

I might end up using this one with only the 26 and 40, and perhaps the 85/1.8 or some adapted F primes.



Aug 21, 2023 at 03:04 PM
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p.14 #10 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I wonder if anybody ever did an age demographic of current photographers complaining about a camera having a swivel screen. I have an X-H2S and the screen on it is not keeping me from taking photos with it.


Aug 21, 2023 at 03:09 PM
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p.14 #11 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


JadedWriter wrote:
I wonder if anybody ever did an age demographic of current photographers complaining about a camera having a swivel screen. I have an X-H2S and the screen on it is not keeping me from taking photos with it.


The way that I consider LCD screens is that I'll only use the LCD for still photography in two circumstances...one, the camera is lower/higher than me and I'll tilt the screen horizontally as appropriate, or if I'm taking a low portrait orientation and need to flip the screen up towards me.

In both of those cases a flippy screen is objectively slower and more obtrusive, but it can handle both scenarios of course. Everyone needs to start copying that new Sony LCD ASAP if they didn't patent it.



Aug 21, 2023 at 03:17 PM
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p.14 #12 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


We don't even know if Sony's putting that screen in another camera body since it hasn't been in another camera since.
RoamingScott wrote:
The way that I consider LCD screens is that I'll only use the LCD for still photography in two circumstances...one, the camera is lower/higher than me and I'll tilt the screen horizontally as appropriate, or if I'm taking a low portrait orientation and need to flip the screen up towards me.

In both of those cases a flippy screen is objectively slower and more obtrusive, but it can handle both scenarios of course. Everyone needs to start copying that new Sony LCD ASAP if they didn't patent it.





Aug 21, 2023 at 03:41 PM
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p.14 #13 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


JadedWriter wrote:
We don't even know if Sony's putting that screen in another camera body since it hasn't been in another camera since.



It's no doubt a versatile screen but I'd be curious to know if it holds up over years of use.



Aug 21, 2023 at 03:52 PM
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p.14 #14 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Yeah it kind of gave me "too many moving parts" vibes.
RobCD wrote:
It's no doubt a versatile screen but I'd be curious to know if it holds up over years of use.





Aug 21, 2023 at 03:54 PM
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CKrueger wrote:
I prefer a swivel screen for this camera. I’ll be keeping it “closed”, ala XPro3.

A bigger deal to me is the 700g weight. I hang my (500g) XPro2 from my neck, and it’s already a bit heavy with a 35/1.4 or 56/1.2. A Zf plus any of the f/1.8 primes is a pretty heavy camera.

I might end up using this one with only the 26 and 40, and perhaps the 85/1.8 or some adapted F primes.

Even after using M3 and M6, and Fm2 when I could, most of my life, my Xpro2 (or even my Xt3 @ 565gms) plus an f/2 23 or 35 is great to hang round my neck for long periods2/3 the weight of a dslr and prime,



Aug 21, 2023 at 04:20 PM
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Well the swivel screen is a much older invention; the tilt screens were brought to make still cameras more easy to use for video (than previous models equipped with a fixed LCD) while still maintaining reasonable ruggedness. Now that Fuji & Nikon have two-way tilt screens the screen can accommodate high and low camera positions in both horizontal and vertical orientations, all the while staying behind the lens, the swivel design is mainly needed for (1) selfies and selfie videos, (2) when the camera is to be lighter and less expensive. (3) Swivel screens are also useful for traditional form video cameras held against ones chest or on the shoulder as in these cases a tilt screen would not work as it would interfere with supporting the camera.

I'm afraid the preferences between the two-axis tilt and swivel screens have nothing to do with the user's age. It is mostly about how one prefers to hold the camera. Both designs have their place.

JadedWriter wrote:
I wonder if anybody ever did an age demographic of current photographers complaining about a camera having a swivel screen. I have an X-H2S and the screen on it is not keeping me from taking photos with it.




Aug 21, 2023 at 04:23 PM
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p.14 #17 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


Whatever the reasons for the complaints it's just getting redundant to the point where I don't even value the opinion anymore. I wouldn't use the ZF for video, but it's mostly due to specs at this point, but the screen being swivel shouldn't mess a person up that badly. I also greatly prefer swivel screens for gimbal usage.
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Well the swivel screen is a much older invention; the tilt screens were brought to make still cameras more easy to use for video while still maintaining reasonable ruggedness. Now that Fuji & Nikon have two-way tilt screens the screen can accommodate high and low camera positions in both horizontal and vertical orientations, all the while staying behind the lens, the swivel design is mainly needed for (1) selfies and selfie videos, (2) when the camera is to be lighter and less expensive. (3) Swivel screens are also useful for traditional form video cameras held against ones chest or on
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Aug 21, 2023 at 04:36 PM
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gyoung143 wrote:
Even after using M3 and M6, and Fm2 when I could, most of my life, my Xpro2 (or even my Xt3 @ 565gms) plus an f/2 23 or 35 is great to hang round my neck for long periods2/3 the weight of a dslr and prime,


Agreed, Fuji has done a great job providing a complete compact lens lineup with the "Fujicrons". I particularly like shooting with my XPro2 and 16/2.8.

The Z system is getting there. We have a 26, 28, 40, and 50/2.8. A compact 20-24mm and an 85-100 would round out the lineup nicely, and I would really love a compact short tele... I'm using the 24-200 now, but I'd happily use a 50-200/5.6 style lens if it meant better image quality.



Aug 21, 2023 at 05:45 PM
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p.14 #19 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


If the flippy screen can be folded so the screen faces the camera body, protecting it when not in use (and removing the possibility of accidentally changing settings via touch), then it would be a plus for me. I use glass screen protectors on most of my cameras, but I’d prefer a screen that can be closed.


Aug 23, 2023 at 06:33 AM
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p.14 #20 · Let's talk about the Nikon Zf


I switched from Nikon to Sony in 2015 and while I don’t plan on going back to Nikon completely, I’m contemplating getting one of these and a matching SE lens as a one off. I’ve always loved classic Nikons more than modern ones and still own an FE2 so this is right up my alley. The fact that it’s a niche camera might not be great for people already in the Nikon camp but for me it’s a compelling because nobody else makes a full frame retro camera. I have an X100V which I love but APS-C just isn’t the same.

The only things I don’t love are the weight and the swivel screen but I don’t think either are deal breakers.



Aug 24, 2023 at 12:47 PM
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