lukemeup wrote:
Tweaked my ignore list for a moment to check if 'the swallow guy' has anything useful to contribute. Still nothing. Trolls don't change - back to ignore.
It would be a great benefit to this forum if the swallow guy spent as much time on reading comprehension as he does trying to obtain focus on a swallow at 200 yards.
duncang wrote:
So are you saying that you don't believe Nikon - that your Z8 has no faulty part - and that you think that Nikon's own Service Advisory is in fact just another example of the Deep State out to take down Nikon ?
Things are pretty weird on these Nikon forums
How on earth did you read into my statement that somehow I think there is Deep State trying to take down Nikon? What a bizarre statement. It is a simple enough concept to understand and it is that my Z8 does not show an issue with any of my lenses being mounted on the camera but I have taken it in to Nikon to have it checked and probably repaired accordingly. The main technician at Nikon has reiterated that there have been less than 10 problems of the mount issue worldwide. So, just how the Deep state comes into this is quite ludicrous.
However, in your fervour to find fault, you tripped over your salivating tongue and missed the fact that the reason for the reply that I made above was in reference to Andrew2 saying that there will have to be a Z8II to address the mount recall "issue" and that "I see Nikon back to their old selves - push a faulty product out, recall it, and somewhere down the line they'll push out a new version to make more money from those who bought the faulty model.". I was saying that I have purchased many first run cameras and lenses and never had any issues whatsoever, all being perfect with no faults, and in fact have never had an issue with *any* Nikon camera or lens to this point in time and I can assure you that I've had at least 50 cameras and lenses.
duncang wrote:
Oh, so they are installing a shim behind the mount now - that must mean it is a real fault then and not just a 'supposed fault' as you put it.
They should have called the whole thing a "feature improvement" - rather than a service advisory. This new feature will allow you to mount your lenses on the camera .
Nikon PR: "Our customers loved the fact that we didn't include a shutter and that we didn't include autofocus in the first releases so we though we would make them even happier and not include the ability to mount their lenses. We would issue a service advisory (it's hardware upgrade so we can't just issue a new FW version) and add this feature later". ...Show more →
Wow, it takes a special kind of thinking to come up with your statement above and quite an immature approach to things, like a kid jumping around showing all his friends, look at me, look at me, mine is best, mine is best! As the technician has stated, there were less than 10 examples of the mount issue worldwide but Nikon decided that it best to check them all and make sure and to alleviate any future issues if they should possibly arise. So, yes, it is basically a "supposed fault" as it is not an endemic issue to which you would like it to be to bolster your flawed belief and your religious push to show that Sony is the way to salvation! .
I know there has been decline in the religions, but to have a person peruse the major Nikon forums on in order to spread the gospel according to the swallow shooter seems to prove that religious type zealotry is alive and kicking. No matter where anyone is speaking highly of Nikon in general and the Z8 or Z9 specifically, you will find the swallow shooter spreading the word according Sony. I mean, where did this insecurity manifest itself so much that this sort of thing is going on so much these days. At just about every turn, some immature Sony shooter is trying to get everyone to believe that Sony has made it into the big boys world. I will re post my thoughts on this from a previous thread:
"The ultimate proof of insecurity are those that need to go another brand's forum in order to try to preach to the heretics and to try to validate to themselves their choice in camera system. I have never felt the need to do so as there is no need to prove anything."
I have my Z8 back from the "recall" and all is well, not that it had an issue to start with. Took a couple of days to complete, but the actual repair time was only a few hours.
groob wrote:
It would be a great benefit to this forum if the swallow guy spent as much time on reading comprehension as he does trying to obtain focus on a swallow at 200 yards.
He has been posting the same swallow images for a couple of years. He posts them on DPR too and a probably a couple of other boards. They look like early-gen AI renders. His posts sound kind of AI too. It's a funny old world.
Lance B wrote:
I have my Z8 back from the "recall" and all is well, not that it had an issue to start with. Took a couple of days to complete, but the actual repair time was only a few hours.
Good to hear its back, better than new, it might as well be a Z8ii !! (I should have been a poet!)
Looking forward to more excellent pictures from it soon. :-)
Went to Nikon service center today to pick up my Z9 and dropped off my Z8. It took a little over half an hour to get my Z8 back. Apparently, they just had to remove one screw and make a little adjustment and that's pretty much it. When I came home, I tried my 85/1.2S which was the only lens that I own during the past month that 2-3 times did not latch on properly to the mount on first try and so far no problem.
Alistair1 wrote:
He has been posting the same swallow images for a couple of years. He posts them on DPR too and a probably a couple of other boards. They look like early-gen AI renders. His posts sound kind of AI too. It's a funny old world.
I am starting to believe that 1/2 the people you run into on the internet are bots, designed to sow discontent and agitate people. So, whenever I see complete jackasses on a forum/YouTube/Twitter/Reddit/etc, and everything they post is jackassery, then I fully believe they're bots.
MatthewK wrote:
I am starting to believe that 1/2 the people you run into on the internet are bots, designed to sow discontent and agitate people. So, whenever I see complete jackasses on a forum/YouTube/Twitter/Reddit/etc, and everything they post is jackassery, then I fully believe they're bots.
That's probably more true than most people think... especially on the Fuji forum here.
Alistair1 wrote:
He has been posting the same swallow images for a couple of years. He posts them on DPR too and a probably a couple of other boards. They look like early-gen AI renders. His posts sound kind of AI too. It's a funny old world.
MatthewK wrote:
I am starting to believe that 1/2 the people you run into on the internet are bots, designed to sow discontent and agitate people. So, whenever I see complete jackasses on a forum/YouTube/Twitter/Reddit/etc, and everything they post is jackassery, then I fully believe they're bots.
I don't understand the swallow reference, but why are there so many bots and who is sponsoring them?
Nikon is recalling some Z8 cameras due to some lenses not locking onto the camera body.
I had the same problem with the Z8 it worked fine with some lenses but my 24-70 2.8 and my 85/1.8 would not lock completely. I brought the Z8 to Nikon Service in New York and they were not aware of the problem. They asked me to leave the Z8 for evaluation which I did. They repaired it with a 2 day turnaround not counting weekend. Camera is fine now. Nikon service indicated "Elevation Adjustment damaged/broken".
I would check all lenses because my other lenses locked on with no issues. Bob...Show more →
I took my Z 8 to Nikon Monday 5 days ago told them I would pick it up I still have not heard a word about the camera. Two day turn around my ass.And I went through NPS something mighty strange going on. I wonder if they found other issues with the camera.
duncang wrote:
Oh, so they are installing a shim behind the mount now - that must mean it is a real fault then and not just a 'supposed fault' as you put it.
At least it's not as big a deal as the steel plate that needed to be installed to replace the plastic plate behind the lens mount on the original Sony A7 and A7R cameras.
Nikon received my camera on the 26th, I got it back yesterday, the 29th. Seemed fine before I sent it, seems fine now, no complaints from me. I know some folks are unhappy but a potential fault was acknowledged and fixed without any fuss, no trying to hide or deny it this time. With this and the raft of firmware updates the last few years, I think/hope Nikon have turned a corner with regard to customer service, the old way wasn't working! Previously firmware upgrades were via a new camera.
After 6 full days I finally heard from Nikon they want me to approve the work order. I delivered the camera in person I live eight miles from Nikon. So I approve it Monday that makes eight days and figure the way they are going it will take another three to four days making it a total of eleven to twelve days and I did it all through NPS. I just do not understand this bullshit.I told them when I took it in that I wanted it fixed. Don’t people listen when you talk.
fredster wrote:
After 6 full days I finally heard from Nikon they want me to approve the work order. I delivered the camera in person I live eight miles from Nikon. So I approve it Monday that makes eight days and figure the way they are going it will take another three to four days making it a total of eleven to twelve days and I did it all through NPS. I just do not understand this bullshit.I told them when I took it in that I wanted it fixed. Don’t people listen when you talk.
That isn't consistent with the email I received. It included a $0.00 estimate and said:
"If your service order indicates the product is covered under the terms
of the warranty, no further action is necessary. If your product is not
covered by the warranty, you will need to approve the attached estimate.
Non-warranty service requires approval before we can begin work."
EB-1 wrote:
I don't understand the swallow reference, but why are there so many bots and who is sponsoring them?
EBH
Relax there is no bot, that is purely a figment of their imagination.
The swallow reference goes back a long way and the image or images of swallows in flight was posted, and continues to be posted when people indicate that you can capture any image with any camera if you know what you are doing - back in the early days it was the DSLR diehards who didn't want to believe that mirrorless autofocus and subject detection could be better than a DSLR. As I recall some even claimed it could be done with a mobile phone, not that they or the DSLR crew have ever produced any evidence of their claims.
Originally it was to illustrate the difference between mirrorless cameras, that can track subjects across the full frame (well some do it better than others), and DSLRs where the focus area is a smaller central area which makes it harder, if not nearly impossible to track and keep the focus on small erratic subjects that are often on the edge of the frame. See video below.
More recently is was used to illustrate the difference between very very good subject detect and autofocus performance and that which is not so good. Needless to say the Nikon folks felt very left out because of the poor performance of the early Z series mirrorless cameras when compared to the A9 and A1, forgetting of course that the early Sony mirrorless cameras had pretty bad autofocus too if I recall - I was a Nikon shooter back in those days and gave up on Nikon AF when the A9 was released.
And then of course I pointed out that it was a bit ironic that both the Z8 and Z9 had recalls for failure of hardware components despite supposedly being more reliable because of the "game changing" (as some called it) new feature of having no mechanical shutter. And of course that was met with the expected response from the usual crowd, including one ridiculous inference that the "supposed fault" wasn't really a fault because the particular individual had not themselves experienced a failure. I guess the thought hadn't occurred to them that perhaps the failure might occur at some future point in time.
In any even it seems some folks here are not able to see the funny side of some of their posts.
The upshot being that I am now the bot known as Mr Swallow !!
And just for amusement here what a real bots response might look like - and you will be pleased to note that it could find no reference to any hardware failures
I understand that the reference to capturing swallows in flight has been used as a metaphorical test of a camera's subject detection and autofocus performance. It is often used to compare the capabilities of different camera systems, such as mirrorless cameras and DSLRs.
The video you provided demonstrates the challenge of capturing fast-moving subjects like swallows and highlights the differences in autofocus performance between various camera models. It's true that the early mirrorless cameras, including some from Nikon and Sony, had autofocus limitations compared to more recent models.
Regarding the recalls of the Nikon Z8 and Z9 cameras, I couldn't find any specific information about recalls for hardware component failures. However, it's not uncommon for new camera models to experience issues that are later addressed through firmware updates or manufacturer recalls. Technical problems can affect any camera, regardless of the presence or absence of a mechanical shutter.
Ultimately, the metaphor of capturing swallows in flight remains a popular way to evaluate a camera's autofocus capabilities and overall performance in tracking fast-moving subjects. However, it's important to consider a camera's entire feature set, including image quality, ergonomics, and reliability, when making a purchasing decision.
duncang wrote:
Relax there is no bot, that is purely a figment of their imagination.
The swallow reference goes back a long way and the image or images of swallows in flight was posted, and continues to be posted when people indicate that you can capture any image with any camera if you know what you are doing - back in the early days it was the DSLR diehards who didn't want to believe that mirrorless autofocus and subject detection could be better than a DSLR. As I recall some even claimed it could be done with a mobile phone, not that they or the DSLR crew have ever produced any evidence of their claims.
Originally it was to illustrate the difference between mirrorless cameras, that can track subjects across the full frame (well some do it better than others), and DSLRs where the focus area is a smaller central area which makes it harder, if not nearly impossible to track and keep the focus on small erratic subjects that are often on the edge of the frame. See video below.
More recently is was used to illustrate the difference between very very good subject detect and autofocus performance and that which is not so good. Needless to say the Nikon folks felt very left out because of the poor performance of the early Z series mirrorless cameras when compared to the A9 and A1, forgetting of course that the early Sony mirrorless cameras had pretty bad autofocus too if I recall - I was a Nikon shooter back in those days and gave up on Nikon AF when the A9 was released.
And then of course I pointed out that it was a bit ironic that both the Z8 and Z9 had recalls for failure of hardware components despite supposedly being more reliable because of the "game changing" (as some called it) new feature of having no mechanical shutter. And of course that was met with the expected response from the usual crowd, including one ridiculous inference that the "supposed fault" wasn't really a fault because the particular individual had not themselves experienced a failure. I guess the thought hadn't occurred to them that perhaps the failure might occur at some future point in time.
In any even it seems some folks here are not able to see the funny side of some of their posts.
The upshot being that I am now the bot known as Mr Swallow !!
And just for amusement here what a real bots response might look like - and you will be pleased to note that it could find no reference to any hardware failures
I understand that the reference to capturing swallows in flight has been used as a metaphorical test of a camera's subject detection and autofocus performance. It is often used to compare the capabilities of different camera systems, such as mirrorless cameras and DSLRs.
The video you provided demonstrates the challenge of capturing fast-moving subjects like swallows and highlights the differences in autofocus performance between various camera models. It's true that the early mirrorless cameras, including some from Nikon and Sony, had autofocus limitations compared to more recent models.
Regarding the recalls of the Nikon Z8 and Z9 cameras, I couldn't find any specific information about recalls for hardware component failures. However, it's not uncommon for new camera models to experience issues that are later addressed through firmware updates or manufacturer recalls. Technical problems can affect any camera, regardless of the presence or absence of a mechanical shutter.
Ultimately, the metaphor of capturing swallows in flight remains a popular way to evaluate a camera's autofocus capabilities and overall performance in tracking fast-moving subjects. However, it's important to consider a camera's entire feature set, including image quality, ergonomics, and reliability, when making a purchasing decision.
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Took a couple of days to complete, but the actual repair time was only a few hours.