p.34 #1 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
yes, let's face it, "dumb" professional photography is a dying profession... future job title is image creator, a person that will use generative AI + many other tools to create the desired output. A lot of agencies will hire these people in-house versus spending 10's of thousands of dollars on outside photographer, models, locations, support staff, etc.
enthusiast/hobby photographers will always be there
p.34 #3 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
GMPhotography wrote:
Geez yea just throw our asses under the bus. But fact is you are on the right path. Glad my time as a Pro are ending in a way
Guy,
Your skills, knowledge, and capabilities will always be in high demand long after you decide to step away to relax and enjoy yourself. You control your own destiny no matter what the “Content Creators” think. I wish I had your talents. I’m just an enthusiast.
p.34 #4 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
swldstn wrote:
Guy,
Your skills, knowledge, and capabilities will always be in high demand long after you decide to step away to relax and enjoy yourself. You control your own destiny no matter what the “Content Creators” think. I wish I had your talents. I’m just an enthusiast.
p.34 #5 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
In real world usage, Z8 is comparable with relevant Sony cameras, A1 and a9 namely. We can’t compare these bodies on spec alone…you know, this has this, this doesn’t have this etc kind of thing.
I own (Edit: owned) a Z8 and a Sony also, and they are very different to work with, thats all. One is not inferior over other for sure.
Few differences:
Sony has vastly better selection of primes of all kind, especially the 3rd party ones. This is a huge huge plus and the reason why i shoot Sony.
Sony offers varied aperture options, size and weight choices and plain innovation (20-70 for example).
Sony has taken care to get most lenses focus closer than the norm. Better max magnification ratios generally speaking.
Sony bodies are slightly smaller and lighter and they really shine with small primes. Once you mount a lens, the difference may evaporate and ergonomics come in the play. A bigger lens on a small camera is not ideal. So Nikon bodies, though larger, have better feel in the hand.
Sony design language draws from retro (EV dial etc) but looks rather modern. Nikon draws from its own repertoire.
Sony is a brick and then they add buttons, dials and knobs on it. If you look at a7rIII and a9, the underlying brick is same, they just added those dials on top left on a9. Nikon design is more organic or cohesive, and buttons etc flow nicely. More character.
Sony has better specced EVFs but Nikon is also very nice. Same with batteries, if taking along 2 batteries is a deal breaker then Sony is better.
Nikon has a small LCD window at the top, Sony has many dials including one for exposure compensation.
Nikon has better selection of tele lenses. Sony doesn’t have small, light and medium-fast tele primes. If they had, I wouldn’t shoot Nikon.
Both have few unique to them software features. Like, Nikon has built in shutter speeds of 15 minutes and Sony has superb implementation of eye AF, even bright monitoring…the sensor shift feature…as Nikon has focus stacking….but none of these features are essential for sure and somewhat easier to implement with the 3rd party solutions.
p.34 #6 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Garuna wrote:
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Sony bodies are slightly smaller and lighter. ..
I was in B&H last week to pick up an item so I briefly checked out the Z8. I was surprised how much larger and heavier it felt than either A1 or A9. I still think it’s a great release (on paper; I haven’t shot with it) but I prefer what I felt was not a slightly smaller and lighter but a much smaller and lighter A1/A9. Totally subjective.
p.34 #7 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Everyone's fav T&C have concluded their testing. I'm not saying that the A7RV is a sports camera, but it seems like they don't know how to tweak the focusing tracking and stickiness of the Sony AF system. To give it a 4 rating is harsh. Then again, I don't know why they would give the Sony 10 for handling...
p.34 #8 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
patotts wrote:
Everyone's fav T&C have concluded their testing. I'm not saying that the A7RV is a sports camera, but it seems like they don't know how to tweak the focusing tracking and stickiness of the Sony AF system. To give it a 4 rating is harsh. Then again, I don't know why they would give the Sony 10 for handling...
Irrespective of the A7R5 AF system, the sensor is too slow to shoot with the electronic shutter w/o risking rolling shutter so a 4 for sports/wildlife seems reasonable. The Nikon has a stacked sensor. 😀
Agree on handling. They give the Sony a 10 because it has a lot of buttons etc…🙄 Sony’s are all boxy little uncomfortable for average hands cameras. 😎 All Sony’s should get a 2 for handling.
p.34 #10 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
I got my Z8 a few days ago and have been playing with it along side my A7r3 and A9. I love the adjustable zone focusing box! It’s more comfortable to shoot with. AF speed feels on par with my A9. Being able to shoot flash with electronic shutter is a joy!! It’s just so much faster than either Sony despite the lack of high speed sync. Using the megadap my lenses feel every bit as fast as they do on the Sonys. I’d feel comfortable using them for a slower type event but not necessarily for fast action. Love adjustable file sizes, sadly something the A7r3 lacked. Going to take it tomorrow to shoot some broll footage for a bourbon project
p.34 #12 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
molson wrote:
The GH-6 does 75 frames per second in RAW with AF, and the files are 25.5MP. Their next m4/3 camera will probably have PDAF (with all cross-type AF points) like the OM-1, and if they can maintain the same throughput, it will be hard for Sony to top it in terms of speed.
the 75fps is only for single AF not continuous AF in ES, the actual speed with continuous AF is a max of 8fps.
p.34 #16 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
patotts wrote:
Man, these Z8 recalls, and now not the material availability to fix'em. That is a bummer!
What are you referencing? Multiple people have reported a 2-3 day turnaround. Also, it’s a service advisory, not a recall, and there seems to be vanishingly few cameras actually affected.
p.34 #19 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Ross Martin wrote:
Bill Claff @bclaff_too@ released his dynamic range test results for the Z8. Shown here versus the A7RV:
It's my understanding that stacked sensors sacrifice DR a little bit compared to the non stacked sensor. I think it would be a more apples to apples comparison between the A1 and the Z8. In any event, I think the difference is much pretty a non factor in choosing one over the other. Interesting to know though.
p.34 #20 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
patotts wrote:
yes, let's face it, "dumb" professional photography is a dying profession... future job title is image creator, a person that will use generative AI + many other tools to create the desired output. A lot of agencies will hire these people in-house versus spending 10's of thousands of dollars on outside photographer, models, locations, support staff, etc.
enthusiast/hobby photographers will always be there
Not sure one can make such a blanket statement when there are myriad different types of professional photography and photo-based graphic design has been around for a long time. But, yes, I'm sure AI will change the industry somewhat, just as it will change many other industries including some we haven't thought of and in ways we might also not have thought of.
However, we're at the beginning of the AI journey and there will be a lot to play out over the coming years as the AI companies start charging (potentially a lot of money) for the use of their bots and as all sorts of industries and governments start to iron out the legal, ethical and financial ramifications of those bots sucking in so much copyrighted work to "learn" from (ie copy).
It's the wild west right now, but IMO that won't last for long.
the 75fps is only for single AF not continuous AF in ES, the actual speed with continuous AF is a max of 8fps. 