p.29 #2 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
GMPhotography wrote:
Seriously this is the worst thread ever on this forum. Should be locked and some should really get away from the keyboard. Nikon and Sony make gear it means very little in life . You buy what you need and just tell the other brand guy to enjoy his choice. Be right , wrong or indifferent it still is a choice . This behavior here is like a war. WTF and why should anyone care. As an old Pro your words mean shit it’s your images that should be talking. Go out and shoot as I have not seen any images here that make a choice between either a solid comment.
Just leave me out of this one. I want nothing to do with it. I grew up on Nikon and will retire with Sony and that was my career choice. I go golf now...Show more →
Go golf. When I started this thread I was hoping to see objective comparisons between Sony and the new Nikon Z8 but some of these posts have turned som of the feedback into more of a holy war. Both very good systems and choose what you like.
p.29 #3 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
This thread reminds me of my behavior from a couple of decades ago when people still considered the Nikon D200 as one of the best cameras in color and rendering. Even besting the Canon 5D.
p.29 #4 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
swldstn wrote:
Go golf. When I started this thread I was hoping to see objective comparisons between Sony and the new Nikon Z8 but some of these posts have turned som of the feedback into more of a holy war. Both very good systems and choose what you like.
Nikon/Sony/Canon decisions are truly worthless with the fanboy stuff. Very few people sit and analyze this stuff with any Professional shooting level. Most of it is a one feature item that sways the boat. Not to be an ass but also no real experience as a shooter to trust as well. Seriously do you think I would listen to anyone that is not at my level. Im not and why I rarely read a review or watch you tube. I trust very few people that could give me the best advice I maybe seeking. 98 percent of the folks here never used a flash and have no interest or experience in any of that or working with LED lighting and stuff that on the high end comes into play. This is what is really missing in these comparisons . Seriously im not trying to be above all that but look at the audience here is it above your grade where you are confident of getting the best advice. All you can hope for is picking up those little tidbits of info that answer things for you. Worst is the fanboy crap, it does not help anyone. Yea I shoot Sony loved it for years but that's my system, I know it well I know nothing of Nikon for at least a decade. They and Canon failed me by not going mirrorless and IMHO they are behind. Is Sony the best maybe not but it works for my needs that's where you need to get too.
Now please don't think im an asshole. Im a very long time Pro with tons of experience and that's how I think. Not many can help me and I've been shooting Sony im not going to comment on any other system I don't own or know extensively.. Same for many
p.29 #5 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Seriously I would avoid these threads as worst case scenario and honestly reading it you can see it as worst case. People tend to back their money they spent on a brand. I personally could care less and I think that's the smart move. Buy the need
p.29 #6 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
GMPhotography wrote:
Now please don't think im an asshole. Im a very long time Pro with tons of experience and that's how I think. Not many can help me and I've been shooting Sony im not going to comment on any other system I don't own or know extensively.. Same for many
Well put, Guy.
What's that quote from George Carlin? "People want you to be honest, until you're honest with them and then you're an asshole..."
I'm certainly not at your level, but I've been at this longer than most, and have learned that the only way to understand if a particular product is going to work the way I want/need it to is to buy it myself and use it for a few months. Most YouTube reviews only get to spend a couple of days with a new product, and many of them obviously don't have a clue about professional photography.
I've also learned that people asking for advice mostly just want you to confirm what they already believe, and if you say anything contrary to that, you're a fanboy/troll/asshole...
p.29 #7 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
molson wrote:
Well put, Guy.
What's that quote from George Carlin? "People want you to be honest, until you're honest with them and then you're an asshole..."
I'm certainly not at your level, but I've been at this longer than most, and have learned that the only way to understand if a particular product is going to work the way I want/need it to is to buy it myself and use it for a few months. Most YouTube reviews only get to spend a couple of days with a new product, and many of them obviously don't have a clue about professional photography.
I've also learned that people asking for advice mostly just want you to confirm what they already believe, and if you say anything contrary to that, you're a fanboy/troll/asshole......Show more →
Well said and I agree. It's not so much my level but my honesty. I know im loved and I know im hated and that's okay but im honest and I will never sway anyone in the wrong direction if I can help it. Reviewers are a joke in most cases they can't get past the second page in the menu if you know what I mean.
BTW I started on Nikon for many years and Canon as well but back than your options where very slim. I have had many different systems and different types of systems.
May 30, 2023 at 09:47 AM
duncang Offline • • • [X]
p.29 #8 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
aboutthelight wrote:
I will ask
And then set your A1 EVF to 240p and do the same comparison again with an even faster subject
p.29 #9 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
aboutthelight wrote:
I got to shoot with the Z8 yesterday for a little while. Got to compare a Z8, Z9 and my A1. It was not nearly enough testing to form an educated decision on how the AF compares. But the EVF on the Z8 and Z9 seemed very jittery to me. It was noticeable the instant I picked it up. I mentioned it to my friend who said no it isn't and then I handed him my A1 and 600 and said have a look. After going back and forth he agreed. While that is not a deal breaker for him it really bothered me. The other thing is the Z8 is always still quite a bit bigger and heavier than the A1. I love the small size and weight of the A1. Kind of solidifies that I am happy I did not wait for Nikon to come out with the Z8 and Z9. Although the 600 with the built in TC is awesome. We were photographing Virginia Rails and when they were further out he shot at 840 and then when they were closer 600. I was stuck at 600. ...Show more →
I'm curious about the jitter....was this just looking through the EVF without shooting (like a VR/IBIS issue) or was this while actively firing the shutter and panning with a bird?
Make sure the lens was in Sport VR or else the Z9/Z8 EVF view jumps a lot while firing. Also make sure it was in 120Hz mode.
I will say that I find the Z9 to be the smoothest EVF (in 120hz with VR in Sport) when actively panning and firing. Although for everything else (color, contrast, resolution, ability to judge exposure) I find it inferior to the EVFs from Canon (R5) and Sony (A1).
p.29 #10 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
arbitrage wrote:
I'm curious about the jitter....was this just looking through the EVF without shooting (like a VR/IBIS issue) or was this while actively firing the shutter and panning with a bird?
Make sure the lens was in Sport VR or else the Z9/Z8 EVF view jumps a lot while firing. Also make sure it was in 120Hz mode.
I will say that I find the Z9 to be the smoothest EVF (in 120hz with VR in Sport) when actively panning and firing. Although for everything else (color, contrast, resolution, ability to judge exposure) I find it inferior to the EVFs from Canon (R5) and Sony (A1). ...Show more →
It was jittery while looking through, locking on and shooting. I was surprised. He has not responded if it was in 120hz mode. I will also ask about the VR just out of curiosity. I mean I have no desire to switch again and the cameras do not thrill. But those lenses are amazing. I am envious...
p.29 #11 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
I wonder if Sony is still the primary manufacturer for the Z8 sensor like the Z9?
Part of the reason that I chose Sony was it's diversification into different product lines. Sony should have a larger R&D budget that will provide cross-over benefits, particularly from their development of cell phone camera sensors. And give the size of the company, provide a bit more financial ballast during an economic downturn
p.29 #13 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
Steve Spencer wrote:
Sorry, for me the Z8 plus the 400 f/4.5S plus the 1.4X TC I am pretty sure I will much prefer over my current A1 plus 200-600.
Let's look at weight and size. The Nikon combo is 2290g (that is camera, plus TC, plus lens) and the front of the lens is just 253mm from the lens mount. My A1 plus 200-600 G combo is 2852g (that is well over a 500g heavier) and it is 318mm from the lens mount (or 65mm longer). So the Nikon system is clearly a lot lighter and smaller now that there is a Z8.
Let's talk price (these are new prices from B & H).
The Nikon system is $3999 for the camera, $3,000 for the lens and $547 for the TC that is a total cost of $7,546 for the system.
The Sony system is $6,498 for the camera, and $1,898 (on sale right now) for the lens for a total cost of $8,396 for the system.
So the Nikon system is lighter, smaller, and cheaper. It also at 400mm has a stop faster aperture and if you look on the Nikon board can produce some pretty stellar images.
For me and what I shoot it isn't even close. I prefer the Nikon system here. Of course YMMV....Show more →
For me, if I want top IQ while birding I use a 400/2.8 or 600/4 with or w/o TC (depending on subject distance).
If I am trying to track BIF with something difficult, I use a 100-400 or 200-600, because trying to track a swift or swallow with a prime is almost impossible. So there's not really any room for a lighter-weight slower prime telephoto lens in my kit.
Similar for landscape - I prefer a 100-400 or 200-600 when doing isolation landscape images, because I can zoom to compose the image.
Jun 11, 2023 at 12:07 PM
Steve Spencer Online • • • • • • • Upload & Sell: On
p.29 #14 · The new Nikon Z8 vs the Sony A7RV and potential A9III
lightskyland wrote:
For me, if I want top IQ while birding I use a 400/2.8 or 600/4 with or w/o TC (depending on subject distance).
If I am trying to track BIF with something difficult, I use a 100-400 or 200-600, because trying to track a swift or swallow with a prime is almost impossible. So there's not really any room for a lighter-weight slower prime telephoto lens in my kit.
Similar for landscape - I prefer a 100-400 or 200-600 when doing isolation landscape images, because I can zoom to compose the image.
Well if I could afford a 400 f/2.8, then I probably wouldn't be looking at a 400 f/4.5 either. There is about a $9,000 difference in price between an f/2.8 and an f/4.5 lens, however, and for me that makes the 400 f/2.8 a non-starter.
That makes sense...I'd believe it will break all the records....except for one....and that is the MPs....it will probably stay at 24MP in order to achieve all those record breaking specs.
But if it manages to do all of that at 30+ MPs then I'm all in
