p.35 #2 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
ilkka_nissila wrote:
No, electronic VR is a video only feature and it does not involve sensor movement. It is data processing which aligns recorded image frames to stabilize the video.
I apologize to you because Gary Irwin "liked" your comment and he *is* a good enough reference for me
I am on the phone with NUSA and the Nikon tech and I are looking at this very link opened up.
We are now trying to figure out another problem. I entered my email and now NUSA is kicking it back, saying there is no such email in their system. I have been using that email address with them for close to 4 decades.
Sorry to all of you for all of this.
You will be glad that I hope to stay away from the forum the rest of the day, unless to post a few images of nature.
p.35 #4 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
bs kite wrote:
Here we go with more confusion. Not your fault but you should back this with a reference please.
As I said, the Nikon technician (Tim) used the words "electronic stabilization" or "electronic VR".
Now it is possible (maybe likely) that he was referring to video as well (as you are here). But I cannot know because it was a conversation.
All of this could be avoided/clarified by a comprehensive online document from NUSA on this.
One other thing to point out is that Nikon will not use the term IBIS even though the user base of almost every brand of camera does. Nikon does not like using terminology already in use by other manufacturers even though they may have the same exact features, so this creates confusion in the market when going from one system to another. It is very likely the Nikon rep is using the term "electronic stabilization" to refer to IBIS.
Think of it this way, Canon was the first major brand to offer IS (Image Stabilization) in lenses, when Nikon caught on a few years later they labeled their feature VR (Vibration Reduction), there may be fundamental engineering differences between how they both work, but to the end user the results are the same - a stabilized image. I first saw IBIS (In Body Image Stabilization) with Olympus but it's possible Sony or someone else may have created the technology first, but once again when Nikon caught on they decided to name their feature something different even though everyone else will call it IBIS.
In-camera VR = Nikon term for what others call IBIS; moves the sensor to counter shake. So far this is available in the Z full-frame cameras.
In-lens VR = the old VR, moves optical elements in the lens to counter shake. Available only in specific VR lenses.
Electronic VR = consequtive image alignment in video that happens in the camera during recording. This can be a good technique to extend the range of stabilization during video. Also possible in post-processing such as Adobe's warp stabilizer. However since the camera has accelerometer data, and the software may or may not have this data, it is possible that electronic VR has some advantages. Warp stabilizer is somewhat time-consuming in post-processing. It is surprising that the camera can do something similar while recording video and doing all the other things at the same time.
Sony has made the electronic stabilization even more advanced in their ZV-E1 camera which detects the subject or subjects and not only stabilizes the image it can also adjust framing to keep the subject(s) well composed!
I hope this helps. I agree Nikon should explain this better.
bs kite wrote:
Here we go with more confusion. Not your fault but you should back this with a reference please.
As I said, the Nikon technician (Tim) used the words "electronic stabilization" or "electronic VR".
Now it is possible (maybe likely) that he was referring to video as well (as you are here). But I cannot know because it was a conversation.
All of this could be avoided/clarified by a comprehensive online document from NUSA on this.
p.35 #6 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
Z8 out for delivery...quite a week, got my Mac Studio as well, had to migrate and merge my LR catalogs to new external drives...everything changing rapidly over here
Congrat's I will be very curious to hear your thoughts, especially in comparison to your Z9. I am still in the "getting to know you stage" with my Z8, coming from a Z6 there are a number of differences and I bought Steve Perry's The Ultimate Nikon Z8 And Z9 Setup & Shooting Guide For Wildlife Photography and I have to admit, there are a number of features I did not realize Nikon had, or I misunderstood how certain features worked, his guide is an extremely valuable resource which I why I provide a shameless plug as I feel it can be a benefit for a lot of photographers, especially those new to Z8/Z9 bodies. The information has been a bit overwhelming at times so it's taking me a while to get to "second base" with my Z8
p.35 #7 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
Immediate impressions on build quality and ergos...
- I much prefer the texture/material of the Z9. Anyone with a Z9 knows how the battery door material feels compared to the rest of the camera. The Z8 feels as if it's made entirely of the Z9 battery door plastic
- Glad to see the rear screen hinging mechanism is identical and just as sturdy feeling, although the plastic behind the screen is again much lower quality feeling
- Middle finger rests squarely on FN1 on the Z8 where it doesn't even touch FN1 on the Z9...will need to see if this leads to accidental presses
- Glad to see the battery door has a rubber gasket for weather sealing, but reinforced bottom plate is so much smaller than the Z9's
- The re-angled photo/video switch makes operating with the right thumb SO much easier on the Z8
- A quick mount on my pack with a Capture Clip yields a MUCH more comfortable experience with the 24-120 mounted than the Z9
p.35 #9 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
Is it true that the Z 8 can record internally and simultaneously send the video via HDMI for external recording in N-Log Apple ProRes 422 format? What are possible limitations with regard to resolution, frame rate and video quality?
p.35 #10 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
Unless I have a setting different (don't think I do), the IBIS is parking every single time the camera goes into playback mode...you guys seeing/hearing that too? The clunk is significantly louder than the Z9 which is why it stood out.
p.35 #11 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
Unless I have a setting different (don't think I do), the IBIS is parking every single time the camera goes into playback mode...you guys seeing/hearing that too? The clunk is significantly louder than the Z9 which is why it stood out.
I did not think that was the IBIS, I thought it was the sensor dust curtain (or whatever they are calling that thing) but it doesn't make sense that would shut/open simply when in playback mode, I notice the same sound when the Z8 goes into standby mode. The reason I thought it was the sensor curtain is because it sounds exactly the same as when I turn the camera off. There is a setting to turn off the activation of the sensor curtain, I suppose I could turn it off and see if it still makes that sound.
p.35 #12 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
Immediate impressions on build quality and ergos...
- I much prefer the texture/material of the Z9. Anyone with a Z9 knows how the battery door material feels compared to the rest of the camera. The Z8 feels as if it's made entirely of the Z9 battery door plastic
- Glad to see the rear screen hinging mechanism is identical and just as sturdy feeling, although the plastic behind the screen is again much lower quality feeling
- Middle finger rests squarely on FN1 on the Z8 where it doesn't even touch FN1 on the Z9...will need to see if this leads to accidental presses
- Glad to see the battery door has a rubber gasket for weather sealing, but reinforced bottom plate is so much smaller than the Z9's
- The re-angled photo/video switch makes operating with the right thumb SO much easier on the Z8
- A quick mount on my pack with a Capture Clip yields a MUCH more comfortable experience with the 24-120 mounted than the Z9...Show more →
I have to completely disagree on the Z8 battery door, the rubber on it feels like the rest of the rubber on the Z8 and definitely is not plastic except the plastic strip right by the hinge. I did have multiple Z9s (now sold) and I like this battery door way more than the Z9.
p.35 #13 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
bcaslis wrote:
I have to completely disagree on the Z8 battery door, the rubber on it feels like the rest of the rubber on the Z8 and definitely is not plastic except the plastic strip right by the hinge. I did have multiple Z9s (now sold) and I like this battery door way more than the Z9.
I'm talking about the internal weather sealing gasket inside the Z8 battery door. No clue what you're talking about.
p.35 #14 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
wjmeyer wrote:
I did not think that was the IBIS, I thought it was the sensor dust curtain (or whatever they are calling that thing) but it doesn't make sense that would shut/open simply when in playback mode, I notice the same sound when the Z8 goes into standby mode. The reason I thought it was the sensor curtain is because it sounds exactly the same as when I turn the camera off. There is a setting to turn off the activation of the sensor curtain, I suppose I could turn it off and see if it still makes that sound.
Nope, it's 100% the IBIS. Take your lens off and go to playback mode to see for yourself.
p.35 #16 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
Another interesting difference is the IBIS doesn't "snap" to a different position as much as the Z9's does when firing the shutter.
Is your VR set to Sport? Normal mode VR is intended for single shots so it tries to "reset" between frames and that's what can give you the snap/jump you describe, Sport mode is generally a smoother experience as it's specifically designed for panning and continuous shooting. If they're both set the same though that's interesting, I'll have to pay attention to that next time I have access to the Z8 as it's not something I noticed initially.
p.35 #17 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
CanadaMark wrote:
Is your VR set to Sport? Normal mode VR is intended for single shots so it tries to "reset" between frames and that's what can give you the snap/jump you describe, Sport mode is generally a smoother experience as it's specifically designed for panning and continuous shooting. If they're both set the same though that's interesting, I'll have to pay attention to that next time I have access to the Z8 as it's not something I noticed initially.
Ah, you're right. It's present in regular mode still.
p.35 #18 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
wjmeyer wrote:
I did not think that was the IBIS, I thought it was the sensor dust curtain (or whatever they are calling that thing) but it doesn't make sense that would shut/open simply when in playback mode, I notice the same sound when the Z8 goes into standby mode. The reason I thought it was the sensor curtain is because it sounds exactly the same as when I turn the camera off. There is a setting to turn off the activation of the sensor curtain, I suppose I could turn it off and see if it still makes that sound.
Turns out that engaging "silent shooting" prevents IBIS from parking during the menus. The more you know. Same as the Z9 apparently.
p.35 #19 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
Unless I have a setting different (don't think I do), the IBIS is parking every single time the camera goes into playback mode...you guys seeing/hearing that too? The clunk is significantly louder than the Z9 which is why it stood out.
Just one of my many minor annoyances with the Z9. Sad to hear it is even louder on the Z8.
p.35 #20 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!
RoamingScott wrote:
Nope, it's 100% the IBIS. Take your lens off and go to playback mode to see for yourself.
You’re right, took lens off and sensor curtain does not drop when playback mode engaged. But it sounds almost exactly like the curtain opening and closing when I turn camera on/off. Maybe a combination of the two is giving me the impression it’s just the one. I do not recall my Z6 making the “thunk” noise when in playback mode. You are correct that in silent mode there is no noise whatsoever. So those who are concerned about noise should jump to silent mode fore sure. .
