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Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!

  
 
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cvrle59 wrote:
I can mostly agree with your points, but I would like to differentiate this a bit.
It was little simpler with D850/D500, D850 in crop mode is about the same MP's as D500.
If that happens again with Z8/Z90, I would definitely go for Z8, but I'm expecting Z90 to have at least 26MP, or even 32.
If you take for an example 600mm at 20MP as a base, 26MP would make it like 685mm with extra cropability.
If it becomes 32MP, that would work like 758mm, huge difference.


Yes, but, and I may be missing something here, if you use your example of a 600mm lens on a crop body, you're at 900mm effective FL. That's pretty limiting in a lot of situations. I'd gladly give up a few mp's to be able to shoot at a true 600mm, then, through cropping, effectively be shooting at 700, 800, 900, and all points in between. Coming from a D500, I'm finding the Z9 framing much more versatile.
I suppose the other argument would be that with a higher mp crop body you can now be going out beyond 900mm through cropping. From my experience, if you're shooting at 1100mm or 1200mm FL's that's not an ideal situation.



May 17, 2023 at 07:03 AM
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p.15 #2 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


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Yes, but, and I may be missing something here, if you use your example of a 600mm lens on a crop body, you're at 900mm effective FL. That's pretty limiting in a lot of situations. I'd gladly give up a few mp's to be able to shoot at a true 600mm, then, through cropping, effectively be shooting at 700, 800, 900, and all points in between. Coming from a D500, I'm finding the Z9 framing much more versatile.
I suppose the other argument would be that with a higher mp crop body you can now be going out beyond 900mm
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Let's be clear here, I don't have 600mm lens, I owe 400f4.5, and I will buy tc14 at some point, to extend it to 560mm.
I just use 600mm as an example how more MP's with better crop-ability compares somehow to longer focal length.
The same math can be applied to any focal length.
Otherwise, I agree with you, framing with FF is much easier, lesson learned since I purchased Z7II, I rarely switch to DX mode.
I rather crop in post processing, plus, FF gives me more flexibility for closer objects, as I'm using a prime.
Z90 is still up in the air, Z8 is real, so I'll see where I'm going with this.



May 17, 2023 at 07:47 AM
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p.15 #3 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


Enjoyed Nigel talking more about photography and less about the Z8



Another but not as interesting IMO




May 17, 2023 at 08:22 AM
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p.15 #4 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


When I switched from DSLR (Nikon D610) to mirrorless I compared Canon R, Nikon Z6 and Sony A7III. Sony has the best specs on paper but I don't feel that click with Sony system. The grip, manual system, buttons and screen just doesn't feel right to me. I think both Canon and Nikon feels pretty good but I chose the Z6 for the IBIS.

Nikon is indeed very very rugged and lens rental actually did a Z7 teardown to show how well the design is to ensure the camera can survive tough weather.

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/10/teardown-of-the-nikon-z7-mirrorless-camera/

I expect Z8 can be as tough if not tougher than Z6/7. If you are looking at ultra toughness maybe check out Z9.






May 17, 2023 at 09:01 AM
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p.15 #5 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


Didn't know there is was a thread in the Sony forum too about this camera release. I can only assume all this chatter means this release was a good move by Nikon. Good enough to get the competition talking and throwing up the usual comparisons .. A1 A1 blah blah blah

A1 US price 6500
Z8 US price 4000.

it better perform better for 2500 more , for that price you can buy the Z8 and the Z100-400.

I'm sure like any current gen high performance camera they will ALL perform if used properly. The differences are minimal at best in this very mature market. I want a Z8 , and an A1, and an R5 , but truth is they are better cameras than I a photographer.




May 17, 2023 at 09:10 AM
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p.15 #6 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


The majority of Nikon shooters’ money would be far better spent buying a Z8 and nice glass to complement than a Z9.

JustShootMe wrote:
Didn't know there is was a thread in the Sony forum too about this camera release. I can only assume all this chatter means this release was a good move by Nikon. Good enough to get the competition talking and throwing up the usual comparisons .. A1 A1 blah blah blah

A1 US price 6500
Z8 US price 4000.

it better perform better for 2500 more , for that price you can buy the Z8 and the Z100-400.

I'm sure like any current gen high performance camera they will ALL perform if used properly. The differences are minimal at best
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May 17, 2023 at 09:15 AM
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When I switched from DSLR (Nikon D610) to mirrorless I compared Canon R, Nikon Z6 and Sony A7III. Sony has the best specs on paper but I don't feel that click with Sony system. The grip, manual system, buttons and screen just doesn't feel right to me. I think both Canon and Nikon feels pretty good but I chose the Z6 for the IBIS.

Nikon is indeed very very rugged and lens rental actually did a Z7 teardown to show how well the design is to ensure the camera can survive tough weather.

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/10/teardown-of-the-nikon-z7-mirrorless-camera/

I expect Z8 can be as tough if
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I had the same evaluation when I upgraded from my D7100 a few years ago. I originally bought the D750 because it was the one I had wanted for awhile and what I thought would be my entry into full frame. I didn't realize Nikon had released a mirrorless body until after the D750 arrived! I was way out of the loop. I went to the store to compare the A7III, EOS R, Nikon Z6, and Fuji XT3 or XT4. The A7III viewfinder was terrible compared to the others and the ergonomics were bad. I didn't like Fuji's ergonomics either and it's a crop sensor. Ultimately it came down to Canon and Nikon. If I were starting over today, it'd still be down to Canon and Nikon for my preferences. And my answer would still be the same. I prefer Nikon bodies and their lens lineup more than Canon. I'm glad for the Z8 release. It's ultimately what I always wanted. I lusted after the D850 in the DSLR days. Now I'll get my chance to own a flagship gripless body.



May 17, 2023 at 12:03 PM
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p.15 #8 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


RoamingScott wrote:
The majority of Nikon shooters’ money would be far better spent buying a Z8 and nice glass to complement than a Z9.



Agree 100%. Right now I think the Z8 represents an unbeatable value in the camera market. If someone asked me to recommend a camera and they had the budget it would be my recommendation.

I think there is literally nothing anyone is likely to shoot that the Z8 can't handle with the best of them. There are of course other cameras I could recommend on that same level of performance and capability. But, no others at the price and value. I had some discussions with people here that I don't consider pricing strategy as innovation. I still feel that way. But pricing can be disruptive to a market. The Z8 pricing likely fits into that category.

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May 17, 2023 at 12:33 PM
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p.15 #9 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


JustShootMe wrote:
Didn't know there is was a thread in the Sony forum too about this camera release. I can only assume all this chatter means this release was a good move by Nikon. Good enough to get the competition talking and throwing up the usual comparisons .. A1 A1 blah blah blah

A1 US price 6500
Z8 US price 4000.

it better perform better for 2500 more , for that price you can buy the Z8 and the Z100-400.

I'm sure like any current gen high performance camera they will ALL perform if used properly. The differences are minimal at best
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I had a brief look at that thread and I had to leave haha - the mental gymnastics and cherry picking going on there by some folks who have probably never even used a Nikon camera is on another level. I can understand wanting to feel good about one's purchase decisions, but I was at a loss for words after reading some of those comments. All these cameras are so darn good that most system decisions are probably made based on lens selection, price, and ergonomics.

At the end of the day, the Z8 release is a positive thing for the entire photographic community in the sense that it should (hopefully) bring prices down across the board from all brands. The more people that buy stacked sensor cameras, the cheaper stacked sensors become to produce, and hopefully in the not so distant future they show up at even lower pricepoints. A camera that trades blows with the A1 and R3 for thousands less is fantastic, and makes flagship mirrorless performance accessible to those who could never justify spending ~$6,000+ on just a camera body. As you pointed out already, you can get a Z8 and a very nice lens for the price of similar bodies, and that's a great option to have.



May 17, 2023 at 12:46 PM
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p.15 #10 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


RoamingScott wrote:
The majority of Nikon shooters’ money would be far better spent buying a Z8 and nice glass to complement than a Z9.

As a Z9 owner who is keeping his (and will eventually get a Z8 as backup), I agree. And I think that's the point of the Z8, gathering in all the Z9 lurkers put off by the price and size.




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p.15 #11 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


Gerald Undone just posted his Z8 review. Lots of overheat testing, including recording time measurements for various rest durations between forced thermal shutdowns.




May 17, 2023 at 01:22 PM
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p.15 #12 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


snapsy wrote:
Gerald Undone just posted his Z8 review. Lots of overheat testing, including recording time measurements for various rest durations between forced thermal shutdowns.



All overheating concerns are totally overblown (if they ever were) with these numbers. A 5 minute cooldown from 8K60 allows full card space recording again. That's awesome for internal.

Anyone serious about recording will be using external recording regardless. Great numbers for casuals.



May 17, 2023 at 01:32 PM
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p.15 #13 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


Started a thread on Dpreview regarding battery life and CIPA. Here's what I came up with:

The Nikon's Z8 specs for battery life are 330 shots w/EVF and energy saving mode off. This is based on CIPA's Battery Test Methodology, which takes a photo every 30 seconds, with the camera and display on between each photo, cycling camera power after every 10 shots. Since MILCs run their sensors and Live View continuously, this DSLR-era test amounts to a power-on endurance test because sensor reading and display-driving consume significant power.

Nikon has started quoting an additional battery life measurement, based on an internal methodology they call "burst photography". Here is the methodology as described in the Z9 manual:

In-house measurements. Image quality set to JPEG normal, image size to “Large”, shutter speed to 1/250 s, shutter-release button pressed halfway for 3 s and focus cycled from infinity to minimum range three times before a burst of six shots, after which the viewfinder is turned on for 5 s and then turned off and the standby timer allowed to expire. This process is then repeated. Measured with a NIKKOR Z 70–200mm f/2.8 VR S lens. [Viewfinder only] was selected for monitor mode.


In this test the Z8 is rated at 2,280 photos vs CIPA's 330 shots.

We can calculate the power-on endurance time from these ratings by reversing the shot calculation. For CIPA, it's 330 * 30 (seconds per shot) = 9,900 seconds, or 2 hours 45 seconds. For Nikon's burst test it's 2,280 / 6 (shots per burst) * 10 (10 = default power-off standby delay), or 3,800 seconds, or 1 hour 3 minutes.

From these reverse calculations it's clear that taking 6 photos per burst vs 1 yields more photos per charge, while at the same time reducing total running time:

* CIPA: 340 shots and 2:45 runtime
* Nikon burst test: 2,280 shots and 01:03 runtime

Taking 6 photos vs 1 every 30 seconds yields 6.7x more total photos per charge but with 38% of the camera runtime, translating to 2.5x more energy efficiency per photo on a runtime-weighted basis.

Power consumption for taking photos is the sum of the parts. It's running the camera's embedded CPU, imaging ASIC, CMOS image sensor, EVF or LCD, lens elections including AF and aperture motors, powering the CFE card for both idle and write operations, etc...

It would be helpful to try and isolate which of these parts consume the most power. To this end I have done some preliminary measurements using my Z6, which is rated for 310 shots per CIPA (Nikon specs), which works out to 2 hours 35 seconds of power-on time.

Here are some of my initial measurements:

1. Camera idle in shooting mode, EVF off, LCD off, top LCD on, airplane mode, Nikon 70-200 f/4G lens on FTZ, Sony 64GB XQD 400MB/s card: 3 hours 31 minutes power-on time

2. Same as #1 but with EVF on (18% grey target TTL): 2 hours 32 minutes power-on time

3. Same as #1 but with intervalometer taking raw photo every 5 seconds (12 per minute), MF mode, aperture locked to wide-open: 2,264 photos, 3 hours 8 minutes power-on time.

Initial observations:

* Using CIPA's methodology, the additional energy consumed taking/processing photos vs baseline camera energy consumption running idle is rather small. Note that my initial measurement excludes AF motor and aperture operation, which will add to photo-taking energy consumption

*The EVF is a significant consumer of energy

* Note: Even with the EVF/LCD off during idle operation the camera still continuously samples the image sensor, as evidenced by continuously-updating metering values on the top LCD

More tests planned...



May 17, 2023 at 03:29 PM
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p.15 #14 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


One of my favorite guys on YT, Omar Gonzalez, he's got Z8..




May 17, 2023 at 05:21 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Agree 100%. Right now I think the Z8 represents an unbeatable value in the camera market. If someone asked me to recommend a camera and they had the budget it would be my recommendation.

I think there is literally nothing anyone is likely to shoot that the Z8 can't handle with the best of them. There are of course other cameras I could recommend on that same level of performance and capability. But, no others at the price and value. I had some discussions with people here that I don't consider pricing strategy as innovation. I still feel that way.
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Agreed.

A friend of mine is wanting to sell her D500 and 200-500, move to something lighter weight and MILC. She was going to buy R5/100-500.

I've steered her towards a Z8 and 400/4.5 OR 100-400 if she doesn't want to loose the zoom flexibility.
She will get a 1.4TC for whichever system she chooses.

I've priced everything out for her, got her a deal with my regular dealer and now she will decide which system she wants.

She still may go for the Canon but I've highly recommended the Z8 and explained the stacked sensor benefits. I think she will love either system but you really can't beat the Z8 (especially since I got her a discount off of it when it's brand new!!).



May 17, 2023 at 05:50 PM
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p.15 #16 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


Ricci tests overheating with various CFE cards...




May 17, 2023 at 06:32 PM
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p.15 #17 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


arbitrage wrote:
Agreed.

A friend of mine is wanting to sell her D500 and 200-500, move to something lighter weight and MILC. She was going to buy R5/100-500.

I've steered her towards a Z8 and 400/4.5 OR 100-400 if she doesn't want to loose the zoom flexibility.
She will get a 1.4TC for whichever system she chooses.

I've priced everything out for her, got her a deal with my regular dealer and now she will decide which system she wants.

She still may go for the Canon but I've highly recommended the Z8 and explained the stacked sensor benefits. I think she will love either system but
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You are one of the least biased FM members I know, as this post continues to show. You have shot a lot with the very best from the top brands and you have a good perspective on strengths/weaknesses of each. Always appreciate your thoughts.

Cheers,
Ross



May 17, 2023 at 07:07 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
Agreed.

A friend of mine is wanting to sell her D500 and 200-500, move to something lighter weight and MILC. She was going to buy R5/100-500.

I've steered her towards a Z8 and 400/4.5 OR 100-400 if she doesn't want to loose the zoom flexibility.
She will get a 1.4TC for whichever system she chooses.

I've priced everything out for her, got her a deal with my regular dealer and now she will decide which system she wants.

She still may go for the Canon but I've highly recommended the Z8 and explained the stacked sensor benefits. I think she will love either system but
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The Z8+400 4.5 will give your friend ~1000g weight reduction. I was surprised by that number. 825g reduction with the 100-400 combo and the balance will be so much improved, especially on the long end.



May 17, 2023 at 08:26 PM
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p.15 #19 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


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May 17, 2023 at 11:18 PM
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p.15 #20 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


arbitrage wrote:
Agreed.

A friend of mine is wanting to sell her D500 and 200-500, move to something lighter weight and MILC. She was going to buy R5/100-500.

I've steered her towards a Z8 and 400/4.5 OR 100-400 if she doesn't want to loose the zoom flexibility.
She will get a 1.4TC for whichever system she chooses.

I've priced everything out for her, got her a deal with my regular dealer and now she will decide which system she wants.

She still may go for the Canon but I've highly recommended the Z8 and explained the stacked sensor benefits. I think she will love either system but
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Z8 any day of the year. 400 even with 1.4x TC is still faster and has 12% more reach, I'm still a bit shocked by the price of the Z8 and the fact they didn't really omit any features of the Z9. I thought for sure that 8K60 would go, and it might have smaller buffer, 15fps etc. I'm actually thinking of selling my Z9 down the track, but no rush.



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