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summmers wrote:
And those old lenses were designed and built by hand in first world countries. The gm’s costing 2-3x the price of even the sigma ones aren’t and have horrible copy variation.


We now know the Sigma 50 f/1.4 DG DN is $849 and the Sony 50 f/1.4 GM is $1,298. How can you describe that as 2-3X the price? It simply isn't and you can't really argue with math. And how on Earth could you know anything about copy variation when both lenses just came out. Of course you can't. And in case you haven't looked both Sigma and Sony design their lenses in Japan where the majority of those old lenses were designed and by any standards is a first world country. What is amazing is that a two sentence post could be so full of factual errors.



Feb 28, 2023 at 06:21 AM
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In Germany the GM is 1650€ whereas Sigma 950€.



Feb 28, 2023 at 12:32 PM
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GoroMajima wrote:
In Germany the GM is 1650€ whereas Sigma 950€.


Yep, so the GM isn't 2 to 3 times more expensive there either.



Feb 28, 2023 at 01:20 PM
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anyone know when/where this lense will be for sale?


It is in stock at B & H:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1748158-REG/sigma_315965_50mm_f_1_4_dg_dn.html




Feb 28, 2023 at 01:22 PM
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So now that the reviews are trickling in:
a) used Sony Zeiss 50 1.4 or Sigma 50 1.4 dg dn? (given that the used price of the Zony goes around 700 on ebay rn)
b) will the used Zony 50 price fall like a rock after the 1.4 gm and the dg dn gets widely available?



Feb 28, 2023 at 02:13 PM
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In Christopher frost review the gm and sigma were so identical that you nearly can't tell them apart in most shots in bokeh and sharpness stopped down. The sigma actually did really well and has their newest af motor which is lightning fast/accurate. Dustin abbot mentioned how fast and accurate also the new sigma 60-600 is with that new af motor.

I think sigma really has upped their game recently, catching up to sony almost in af department. They still can't match them in size, weight and full af potential.



Feb 28, 2023 at 02:18 PM
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sismailian wrote:
In Christopher frost review the gm and sigma were so identical that you nearly can't tell them apart in most shots in bokeh and sharpness stopped down. The sigma actually did really well and has their newest af motor which is lightning fast/accurate. Dustin abbot mentioned how fast and accurate also the new sigma 60-600 is with that new af motor.

I think sigma really has upped their game recently, catching up to sony almost in af department. They still can't match them in size, weight and full af potential.


Same here:

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Feb 28, 2023 at 02:22 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
Yep, so the GM isn't 2 to 3 times more expensive there either.


I think he meant that the new lenses are 2x 3x more expensive than the old 50 1.4 lenses were.



Feb 28, 2023 at 02:45 PM
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Peter Szuhai wrote:
I think he meant that the new lenses are 2x 3x more expensive than the old 50 1.4 lenses were.


Well the new releases are actually a lot more the 2X to 3X more expensive than the old 50 f/1.4 lenses. Of course they aren't those simple double gaussian designs with no fancy glass and lots of spherical aberrations either.

What he said exactly was, "The gm’s costing 2-3x the price of even the sigma ones" and that isn't true no matter how you look at it.



Feb 28, 2023 at 04:48 PM
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there is no market for the Zeiss 50 anymore. no one would ever buy that new. sigma is better in everyway. used sigma 50/1.4 will probably fall to$600 over time so Zeiss will fall lower than that

Peter Szuhai wrote:
So now that the reviews are trickling in:
a) used Sony Zeiss 50 1.4 or Sigma 50 1.4 dg dn? (given that the used price of the Zony goes around 700 on ebay rn)
b) will the used Zony 50 price fall like a rock after the 1.4 gm and the dg dn gets widely available?




Mar 01, 2023 at 07:05 AM
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kooshball wrote:
there is no market for the Zeiss 50 anymore. no one would ever buy that new. sigma is better in everyway. used sigma 50/1.4 will probably fall to$600 over time so Zeiss will fall lower than that



I think there will still be a market for the used Sony/Zeiss 50 f/1.4. It is still a really good lens, but it will sell for less than the new Sigma. Those who want a nice 50 f/1.4 for a low price ought to the like the Sony/Zeiss and there seems to be lots of such people posting in this thread. They should be able to pick one up used for under $500.



Mar 01, 2023 at 07:50 AM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
I think there will still be a market for the used Sony/Zeiss 50 f/1.4. It is still a really good lens, but it will sell for less than the new Sigma. Those who want a nice 50 f/1.4 for a low price ought to the like the Sony/Zeiss and there seems to be lots of such people posting in this thread. They should be able to pick one up used for under $500.


I'm a Zony 35 1.4 owner and I love the thing. Its price nosedived into nothingness so I'm stuck with it now lol (got it new for 1400 ). I'm hoping similar happens to the 50 zeiss although the 50 is a more highly regarded lens than the 35 is. Anyways I'm buying at 450.




Mar 01, 2023 at 01:22 PM
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Peter Szuhai wrote:
I'm a Zony 35 1.4 owner and I love the thing. Its price nosedived into nothingness so I'm stuck with it now lol (got it new for 1400 ). I'm hoping similar happens to the 50 zeiss although the 50 is a more highly regarded lens than the 35 is. Anyways I'm buying at 450.



I am a Zony 50 f/1.4 owner and I really like the lens. That said I like both the new Sigma 50 f/1.4 and 50 f/1.4 GM. I might just be the one to sell you my Zony 50 f/1.4 for $450.



Mar 01, 2023 at 04:46 PM
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newdom wrote:
Same here:

&ab_channel=ArthurR


Wow after watching that video I am really surprised by the sigma. Incredible performance and dare I say even smoother bokeh? Sure the sony has sharper corners but thast why you get a 50 F/2 APO for those corners I will say yes on some shots the sony looked slightly sharper especially the eyes but for the price difference and super fast AF, it's hard to say if I were to go for the GM right away. Well I have the 50 1.2 anyway so...



Mar 01, 2023 at 06:12 PM
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sismailian wrote:
Wow after watching that video I am really surprised by the sigma. Incredible performance and dare I say even smoother bokeh? Sure the sony has sharper corners but thast why you get a 50 F/2 APO for those corners I will say yes on some shots the sony looked slightly sharper especially the eyes but for the price difference and super fast AF, it's hard to say if I were to go for the GM right away. Well I have the 50 1.2 anyway so...


Yup at £850 vs £1500 in the UK it's a no brainer. I've had both the 35/1.4 DG DN and the 35GM and it was a similar story except for the old AF motors in the Sigma. With the new AF motors now in the 50 DG DN, it's really down to size/weight, and it's not nearly enough to make it worth the GM unless you're a professional working it all day or have endless money to burn. Plus I'm using the Sigma 35/1.2 now to build up my muscles, pretty much any lens after that will feel like a feather



Mar 01, 2023 at 06:38 PM
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In Europe, they seem to push for 949-969€. This is a bit sad. The 35mm DG DN is 899$ and 849€, the 50mm DG DN is 849$ but... 969€

For 850€ it would have been no brainer, but by pushing to 1000€ i have to again compare to GM a bit more sad. The AF motors look great.



Mar 04, 2023 at 08:29 AM
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Peter Szuhai wrote:
I think he meant that the new lenses are 2x 3x more expensive than the old 50 1.4 lenses were.


Yes i did. He also used the marketing term ‘designed’ in japan and not made in japan. Well i think sigmas are actually still made there at least while the gms are not.



Mar 04, 2023 at 10:20 AM
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I own the Samyang 50mm 1.4 ii and it is an awesome lens only let down by the autofocus. This Sigma seems to improve upon that issue for a bit more $ and size and weight. My Samyang takes beautiful pics and I got it for only $449 at Rokinon website on sale. The AF is decent...if not a bit clunky at times. It is very accurate and actually can track motion somewhat well but falls apart with closer subjects moving quickly and sporadically. I get plenty of keepers but also plenty of odd misses. Is it worth it? Probably. Price is great. I qualify for the edu discount on Sigmas so I might upgrade to the Sigma at some point because fast AF is somewhat important to me. I also tried the Sigma at my local shop and in real life didn't find the size and weight difference to be a big deal honestly. Some say the Samyang renders a bit nicer which is subjective. I love my Samyang. Also love my Sigma 85 dg dn so the clinical rendering doesn't bother me. Really can't go wrong with either of these


Aug 24, 2023 at 01:38 PM
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Justin-em5 wrote:
I own the Samyang 50mm 1.4 ii and it is an awesome lens only let down by the autofocus. This Sigma seems to improve upon that issue for a bit more $ and size and weight. My Samyang takes beautiful pics and I got it for only $449 at Rokinon website on sale. The AF is decent...if not a bit clunky at times. It is very accurate and actually can track motion somewhat well but falls apart with closer subjects moving quickly and sporadically. I get plenty of keepers but also plenty of odd misses. Is it worth it? Probably.
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I've had two copies of the Samyang 50/1.4 ii, and one copy of the Sigma 50/1.4 DG DN. As you say the rendering of the Samyang is typical of them - 'dreamy' is the best way I can describe it - really nice rendering with nice bokeh, really similar to their 85/1.4 (but without the yellowish tinge). It's nice and sharp in the centre, but lacks the contrast of more expensive options like the Sigma/Sony and gets noticeably softer towards the edges. Very small and light for a 1.4 - a joy to carry around and use. CA can be pretty bad in certain situations, like a lot of Samyangs. Copy variation seems to be an issue, as usual, and the build quality is poor - it's a fragile lens (both my copies broke, and I've never broken a lens before). AF can be poor - very disappointing they haven't released a firmware update to improve it since release.
The Sigma is a massive step up in build quality, and is noticeably more contrasty and a bit sharper especially out from the centre, nicer colours (imho), far better AF - overall capable of better ultimate results. Also much larger/heavier, and more expensive. It's really more of a competitor to the 50/1.4 GM.



Aug 25, 2023 at 10:52 AM
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I've read probably every review and viewed every YouTube video of the Sigma 50/1.4 DN or comparison with the Sony 50/1.4 GM, then bought both to compare for myself. After using both for a few days, my conclusion is predictably similar to how all those YouTube reviews end: "both are decent lenses and more similar than different; get the GM if you're a pro or a snob; otherwise save yourself a few hundred bucks with the Sigma. Let me know in the Comments down below".

To put it another way, my heart says Sony, which is without a doubt the sexier lens of the two, has astounding IQ, and probably as close to perfection as a 50mm lens could get from so many perspectives. My head however says Sigma, which delivers excellent wide open IQ - I'd stop short of saying astounding, it is perhaps 90-95% of the Sony's IQ - but at 2/3 of the price (I paid around GBP 590 for a Hong Kong grey import of the Sigma vs GBP 890 for the Sony).

Some observations:


  1. FL: The Sigma frames slightly but significantly tighter. This surprised me at first and is especially noticeable at close range. Dustin Abbott similarly estimated a 1-2mm tighter actual FL for the Sigma vs the Samyang 50/1.4 II. Does it make any meaningful difference in practice? Not really, you'd just move the camera back a smidgen - I have not found the Sigma restricted in anyway shooting indoors as a Zony 55/1.8 would be for instance.
  2. Exposure: I find the Sigma consistently underexposing by approx. 0.33 to 0.66 EV relative to the Sony (I'm ignoring vignetting here which is slightly stronger on Sigma but equally easy to fix for both lenses). Interestingly, the resulting images tend to require +0.15 to +0.2 EV adjustment (but could be anywhere between +0 to +0.33 EV) to look similar in brightness to the Sony's, which if my observations are correct suggests the Sigma has around 0.2 stop better transmission than the Sony? I don't believe I've seen this reported elsewhere and would be interested to see it scientifically proven.
  3. Sharpness and contrast: Looking at wide open IQ, the Sony definitely has more "bite" especially in low-light, low-contrast conditions. This corroborates the Sony Alpha Blog findings. The Sony also sustains sharpness better at closer distances - this matters for me as my use case for this FL includes indoor snapshots and food shots.
  4. LoCA: The biggest flaw of the Sigma is LoCA. This hurts for me as I live in England with two young boys - think playground appartus with metal chains and parks with bare branches under a gloomy winter sky. The Sony is not free of LoCA but it is much, much better controlled than on the Sigma. From memory, the Sigma is no worse, possibly slightly better than the Samyang 50/1.4 II in terms of LoCA.
  5. Bokeh: I expected bigger, rounder and less busy bokeh balls on the Sigma from watching N YouTube comparisons, but the reality I found was more complicated: it depends. In some conditions, Sigma indeed looked better (the slightly narrower actual FL presumably helps to increase the amount of blur) but in others the Sigma gave more onion rings, or the LoCA made bokeh more distracting. In general, the Sony tended to give more clinical, cleaner bokeh with more organic transitions. Both suffer to a similar degree from mechanical vignetting (cat's eye bokeh) wide open.
  6. AF: Both lenses excellent for static or slow-moving subjects in good lighting. In low-contrast, low-light conditions, Sigma holds up really well but I can see from a number of my samples that Sony has a very subtle but noticeable edge in terms of eye AF accuracy. For fast-moving subjects, I need to do some more testing but have a sense that Sony might be superior here.
  7. Lens hood: Jared Polin and some others dislike the petal hood on the Sigma as it doesn't allow the lens to be placed on a flat surface upside down. Who does that anyway?? Both the Sigma and Sony hoods do the job and personally I find the smart lozenge-shaped unlock button on the Sigma hood rather user-friendly.
  8. Size and weight: To my surprise, I didn't notice the 160g weight difference as much as I thought I would, but then I haven't had a chance to go shooting in the field and walking around with either lens for several hours. For sure the Sigma is and feels heavier but it never felt uncomfortably so around my neck or in my hands at least with short bursts of shooting. If anything it's the length and width of the Sigma which makes it look more imposing and less nimble.


So, what's my conclusion? I still haven't decided and am not sure more testing would help me reach a decision. If money was no object, hands down I'd go for the Sony and enjoy the more polished IQ and shooting experience in a physically more compact package... and for me how it sparks joy and touches my heart in a way that the Sigma doesn't. Can the Sigma create beautiful images and get the job done? Absolutely. 300 pounds is a lot of money for a non-pro and in reality, the subtle IQ differences between the two lenses are not going to be noticeable unless pixelpeeping both images at 100% side-by-side.

Hope you found this useful. Samples to follow in Part 2!



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