summmers wrote:
Price is ridiculous. I don’t understand when it became normal to pay about $1k for third party 50 1.4
There’s this little war going on since last year that has caused global inflation rates to spike. That may have something to do with it. Also, this isn’t the Canon days anymore, with inferior Sigma Ex lenses. The Sigma Art series can rival or exceed first-party offerings in many regards.
summmers wrote:
Price is ridiculous. I don’t understand when it became normal to pay about $1k for third party 50 1.4
It does seem there could be a market for a more classic 50 /1.4 like the Canon EF or Nikon. They currently sell on B&H for $379 & $447. Could adapt the Canon to Sony with the MC-11.
Other native Sony options:
TT Artisan 50/2 - $69
Sony 50/1.8 - $223
TT Artisan 50/1.4 - $225
Rokinon MF 50/1.4 - $380
Rokinon AF 50/1.4 - $429
Samyang AF II 50/1.4 - $639
Sigma 50/1.4 DG DN - $764 (EDU)
Sony Planar 50/1.4 - $1348 (EDU)
I have no idea how a Sony 50/1.8 would compare to a canon 50/1.4 for IQ. If you are looking for budget AF that seems like the choice.
The Rokinon/Samyang AF ver 1 is in the price ballpark of the classic 50s, again no idea how IQ and focus would compare to the classics adapted to Sony. I have a bit of personal bias against Samyang, possibly unjustified.
I would expect the new Sigma 50 DG DN to exceed anything from the DSLR days both in IQ and Focus speed. So the higher price seems reasonable, I see it as a different class of lens. If it's competitive with the Sony Planar or upcoming 50/1.4 GM that seems like a good value.
Just need to decide how fancy a lens you want, or what price point is good for you. Lots of choices.
summmers wrote:
Price is ridiculous. I don’t understand when it became normal to pay about $1k for third party 50 1.4
In addition to what was said about inflation in the earlier post, 50mm lenses today are not the 50mm lenses of the film era. Those were often included with many cameras and has a simple (but elegant, IMO) design with known flaws (lots of spherical aberration wide open) and needed to be stopped down to f/2.8 or further to get the sharpness that many people wanted. Those lenses should be cheap and Sony has a 50 f/1.8 that basically is this sort of lens and it is fairly cheap.
The modern 50 f/1.4 is now a quite well corrected lens with a complex design and several special elements. Not surprisingly such a lens gets large and it is fairly expensive. Fortunately for Sony shooters they can get the old style 50 cheaply and easily if they want it.
tschopp wrote:
It does seem there could be a market for a more classic 50 /1.4 like the Canon EF or Nikon. They currently sell on B&H for $379 & $447. Could adapt the Canon to Sony with the MC-11.
Other native Sony options:
TT Artisan 50/2 - $69
Sony 50/1.8 - $223
TT Artisan 50/1.4 - $225
Rokinon MF 50/1.4 - $380
Rokinon AF 50/1.4 - $429
Samyang AF II 50/1.4 - $639
Sigma 50/1.4 DG DN - $764 (EDU)
Sony Planar 50/1.4 - $1348 (EDU)
I have no idea how a Sony 50/1.8 would compare to a canon 50/1.4 for IQ. If you are looking for budget AF that seems like the choice.
The Rokinon/Samyang AF ver 1 is in the price ballpark of the classic 50s, again no idea how IQ and focus would compare adopted to Sony. I have a bit of personal bias against Samyang, possibly unjustified. ...Show more →
The Sony FE 50mm F1.8 is better than all the classic double Gauss/Planars I've tried. I assume the aspherical element and being optimized for Sony cover glass helps it out. The DC motor works better than most adapted AF lenses. It also doesn't show onion rings like most aspherical equipped lenses including the 1.8/55 ZA Sonnar.
I had a well-aligned copy of the Canon EF 50mm F1.4 USM. The Canon is a pretty typical example of older 50mm primes. I didn't like the rendering. Their 50mm F1.8 STM is worse, but pretty good as far as old simple lenses go. Canon sells it so cheap. Their new little RF F1.8 seems to have similar rendering.
I tried a bunch of Minolta/Sony 50mm F1.4's and have a pretty decent Sony one right now. It is kind of silly, but it is about the smallest AF 50mm F1.4 around and gets all the perks like in-body Lens Compensation and 5-axis stabilization. It is not much different optically than the Canon EF. It is an optical design originally released in 1979.
QuietOC wrote:
I tried a bunch of Minolta/Sony 50mm F1.4's and have a pretty decent Sony one right now. It is kind of silly, but it is about the smallest AF 50mm F1.4 around and gets all the perks like in-body Lens Compensation and 5-axis stabilization. It is not much different optically than the Canon EF. It is an optical design originally released in 1979.
Is it an A-mount lens? What adaptor do you use it with?
j4nu wrote:
Yes, but I mostly meant the difference between the two lenses in EU.
Though, it would be nice to have $ prices here .
I guess I was getting at what is the price before VAT? US prices are quoted before sales tax. I know last year for a while the dollar and Euro were trading at parity, the dollar has weakened since then. What about other regulations that mandate extended warranties, etc. Trying to understand how different the prices actually are. Do you have income taxes, or are funds mainly raised via VAT?
tschopp wrote:
I guess I was getting at what is the price before VAT? US prices are quoted before sales tax. I know last year for a while the dollar and Euro were trading at parity, the dollar has weakened since then. What about other regulations that mandate extended warranties, etc. Trying to understand how different the prices actually are. Do you have income taxes, or are funds mainly raised via VAT?
Yes, exact VAT on this kind of stuff depends on the country but it's around 20% more or less. We have income tax as well ...
j4nu wrote:
This again tells me something is wrong with global pricing, as in EU it looks like this:
Samyang AF II 50/1.4 - let's say 650€, there as the offers are in 600-700 range
Sigma 50/1.4 DG DN - 950€ (non-EDU)
Why compare edu and non-edu prices. In the UK, it's:
Samyang 50/1.4 ii: £600
Sigma 50/1.4 DG DN: £850
European pricing generally has gone a bit bonkers! All over the place depending on country and makes.
I think the UK and US price of the Sigma is actually very, very competitive looking at the competition. Looking forward to seeing real world (non-paid/non-youtube) reviews.
newdom wrote:
Why compare edu and non-edu prices. In the UK, it's:
Samyang 50/1.4 ii: £600
Sigma 50/1.4 DG DN: £850
European pricing generally has gone a bit bonkers! All over the place depending on country and makes.
I think the UK and US price of the Sigma is actually very, very competitive looking at the competition. Looking forward to seeing real world (non-paid/non-youtube) reviews.
I put only non-EDU prices in my comparison, as I'm not aware of any EDU pricing in EU.
Anyways, my main point was that the Sigma is about 50% more expensive than the Samyang here...
tschopp wrote:
Is it an A-mount lens? What adaptor do you use it with?
Yes. LA-EA5. I also have a K&F Pro adapter so I can use it fully manual. Adapted EF lenses have the advantage of native E-mount emulation using the right adapters.
summmers wrote:
Price is ridiculous. I don’t understand when it became normal to pay about $1k for third party 50 1.4
Steve Spencer wrote:
In addition to what was said about inflation in the earlier post, 50mm lenses today are not the 50mm lenses of the film era. Those were often included with many cameras and has a simple (but elegant, IMO) design with known flaws (lots of spherical aberration wide open) and needed to be stopped down to f/2.8 or further to get the sharpness that many people wanted. Those lenses should be cheap and Sony has a 50 f/1.8 that basically is this sort of lens and it is fairly cheap.
The modern 50 f/1.4 is now a quite well corrected lens with a complex design and several special elements. Not surprisingly such a lens gets large and it is fairly expensive. Fortunately for Sony shooters they can get the old style 50 cheaply and easily if they want it. ...Show more →
And those old lenses were designed and built by hand in first world countries. The gm’s costing 2-3x the price of even the sigma ones aren’t and have horrible copy variation.
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