BrandonSi wrote:
Yeah, so not great.. 1/6th of a second and 1/3rd of a second..
So make sure whatever it is stays reaaaal still.
I just don't see it ever getting better with Hasselblad until they add in a mechanical shutter or Sony puts out a stacked MF sensor.
Agreed. Which is a shame, because the X2D (and, well, the 907X+CFV II 50C) are perfect for my wants to adapt other glass to, except for the e-shutter. The form factor, the colours, the handling, the superb UI... all of it.
Sam_W wrote:
Agreed. Which is a shame, because the X2D (and, well, the 907X+CFV II 50C) are perfect for my wants to adapt other glass to, except for the e-shutter. The form factor, the colours, the handling, the superb UI... all of it.
I'm with you.. I've got a pile of C/Y and M glass I'd love to use on it..
I finally made the switch to continuous lighting in my basement studio, so at least I can adapt the glass there and not worry about sync speed / flash issues with the e-shutter.
Updated firmware on all my HC lenses to 1.9.1 and now have AF and IBIS with normal adaptor. No IBIS though when using the 0.8x adaptor, which is a shame as the HC24mm becomes a 19mm on the X2D/X1D. AF speed is OK but not great. Lens dependant. Maybe a bit behind the original XCD lenses but still better than they were on the X1D bodies.
Any chance you could post a side-by-side of the GFX100s and the X2d? Top down, maybe? Just trying to get a feel for relative sizing.
Can do if the above wasn't useful. probably better than I could do. Honestly in real life the difference is small. The GFX main body is thicker but the grips are the same. Nearly exactly. Same for width and height. With a 50 on the Fuji and 55 on the 'blad it's a wash.
However the X1D looks smaller until they're side by side and feels smaller in the hand due to the vastly better grip. So while size differences are mainly an illusion it's a pretty good one. Kind of how a Leica M looks lighter than it is and an XPro looks heavier than it is.
Also the new X2D is bigger and heavier than the old one but even swapping back and forward you don't really notice it until you sit them on a table and look for it.
flash wrote:
Can do if the above wasn't useful. probably better than I could do. Honestly in real life the difference is small. The GFX main body is thicker but the grips are the same. Nearly exactly. Same for width and height. With a 50 on the Fuji and 55 on the 'blad it's a wash.
However the X1D looks smaller until they're side by side and feels smaller in the hand due to the vastly better grip. So while size differences are mainly an illusion it's a pretty good one. Kind of how a Leica M looks lighter than it is and an XPro looks heavier than it is.
Also the new X2D is bigger and heavier than the old one but even swapping back and forward you don't really notice it until you sit them on a table and look for it.
That site keeps crashing for me, but I'm sure another one will be up. Just curious, as I always found the GFX100s too big, while the X1D II was perfect.
You mentioned initially that the X2D grip shape was better, but then you referred to the X1D as having a vastly better grip. I read some posts about the X2D grip being too big.. it's making me a bit nervous!
X1D vastly better than GFX100S. X2D grip improves on the X1D. It's the same approximate size but sculpted a bit more at the back at the bottom. Hope that clarifies.
If you like the X1D you'll like the X2D a bit more.
I think the reason the GFX100S feels bigger (I agree that's how it feels) is because the main body is a bit thinner on the X1D and there's a groove that allows your fingers to grip the body better. So while the grips (and cameras) are close to the same size the grip on the Fuji is more shallow and less comfortable. This gives the impression it's bigger than the X1D/X2D. It also gives the impression that the grip on the X1D/X2D is bigger when it's just more room for your fingers.
Gordon
p.s. the link worked for me. maybe a different browser?
Gordon,
Thanks very much for your constant updates as you get aquatinted to your new X2D and V series XCD lenses. Any chance you can comment on the quality and function of the new 38 and 55 2.5 lenses, plus any initial thoughts on any differences on the files provided by the new X2D as compared to the X1D2?
Plus how would you grade the optical quality of the new lenses as compared to the current XCD 30 and 45 lenses?
Thanks again and given your initial impressions I for one can't wait to receive my X2D and V lenses.
insideline wrote:
Gordon,
Thanks very much for your constant updates as you get aquatinted to your new X2D and V series XCD lenses. Any chance you can comment on the quality and function of the new 38 and 55 2.5 lenses, plus any initial thoughts on any differences on the files provided by the new X2D as compared to the X1D2?
Plus how would you grade the optical quality of the new lenses as compared to the current XCD 30 and 45 lenses?
Thanks again and given your initial impressions I for one can't wait to receive my X2D and V lenses.
**reserves right to change his mind no no good reason**
Photos so far are mostly a hedge and a brick wall, so take this as that..... I already liked the 30 and 45P (and even the older 45 which I have a really nice copy of). However, the new lenses are an improvement in every way. Optically the upgrade is there but small. Operationally the upgrade is huge, especially on the new camera.
Assuming you don't want the zoom because that's what I'd get first and then a single faster compact. Or the zoom and the 80. The new lenses become less important if you have the zoom, for sure.
If you're getting the new camera, unfortunately the new lenses are a given. MUCH much faster AF. Completely silent. MF clutch. Faster. Smaller. Lighter. etc....
If you don't have the old lenses then the new ones are worth it even on the older camera. All the advantages except the AF. yes they're more expensive. But the upgrade is worth the cost.
If you are not upgrading your camera and have the older lenses it's more difficult. I'd probably not buy them in this case, unless you like the speed or want to take advantage of the MF system. So far I'm not seeing huge differences on the X2D which means the older lenses resolve well enough for the new camera. It's a functional thing with a modest optical change.
For *me*, I'd already stopped using the 30mm mostly, after getting the zoom. The 30 is fab but I love the zoom. With the 55 I've never been a real 35mm (in 135 format) shooter so the 55 is way better for me just because it's like a 43mm (135 format). The only thing better would be a 63mm (for me). I think the 55V is as good as the current 65mm (which is superb) but smaller, lighter, faster with better AF. I saw the 55V as an upgrade to both the 45/P and 65mm.
I have all the XCD lenses and have the new 90V coming as well. Here's how I see my kit changing.
Walkabout: Current is the 45P and 90 3.2. New will be the 38 (until they make me a 28), 55 and 90V. Or even more likely the zoom and 90V. Single lens. Definitely the 55. It's near perfect as a single lens kit for me.
Full Travel kit: Current 21, 30, 35-75, 80, 90, 135, TC. New will be the same except with the new 90V and 55mm. Again would love to swap out the 30mm for a 27-28mmV series. And the 135 for a 80-160 f4.5 zoom. Just a personal wish list.
I hope to do some actual photography later in the week but have been stuck in meetings too much to really do the testing I want to do.
I have no idea what HB is planning with the new lens line up. Personally I would have gone for a 110V instead of a 90. 110 is double the 55. Then add a 28mm. Half the 55, for a perfect three lens kit. others will go the 38 and the 80. Both Fujis and HBs range planning it a bit of throw stuff at a wall rather than a considered approach like the SL primes.
I'll wait a bit but currently my thinking is to find my 45's, 65 and current 90 new homes, plus a few HC lenses I don't use anymore. Maybe even the 30. The zoom is a big disruptor because it works so well on the X2D.
flash wrote:
**reserves right to change his mind no no good reason**
Photos so far are mostly a hedge and a brick wall, so take this as that..... I already liked the 30 and 45P (and even the older 45 which I have a really nice copy of). However, the new lenses are an improvement in every way. Optically the upgrade is there but small. Operationally the upgrade is huge, especially on the new camera.
Assuming you don't want the zoom because that's what I'd get first and then a single faster compact. Or the zoom and the 80. The new lenses become less important if you have the zoom, for sure.
If you're getting the new camera, unfortunately the new lenses are a given. MUCH much faster AF. Completely silent. MF clutch. Faster. Smaller. Lighter. etc....
If you don't have the old lenses then the new ones are worth it even on the older camera. All the advantages except the AF. yes they're more expensive. But the upgrade is worth the cost.
If you are not upgrading your camera and have the older lenses it's more difficult. I'd probably not buy them in this case, unless you like the speed or want to take advantage of the MF system. So far I'm not seeing huge differences on the X2D which means the older lenses resolve well enough for the new camera. It's a functional thing with a modest optical change.
For *me*, I'd already stopped using the 30mm mostly, after getting the zoom. The 30 is fab but I love the zoom. With the 55 I've never been a real 35mm (in 135 format) shooter so the 55 is way better for me just because it's like a 43mm (135 format). The only thing better would be a 63mm (for me). I think the 55V is as good as the current 65mm (which is superb) but smaller, lighter, faster with better AF. I saw the 55V as an upgrade to both the 45/P and 65mm.
I have all the XCD lenses and have the new 90V coming as well. Here's how I see my kit changing.
Walkabout: Current is the 45P and 90 3.2. New will be the 38 (until they make me a 28), 55 and 90V. Or even more likely the zoom and 90V. Single lens. Definitely the 55. It's near perfect as a single lens kit for me.
Full Travel kit: Current 21, 30, 35-75, 80, 90, 135, TC. New will be the same except with the new 90V and 55mm. Again would love to swap out the 30mm for a 27-28mmV series. And the 135 for a 80-160 f4.5 zoom. Just a personal wish list.
I hope to do some actual photography later in the week but have been stuck in meetings too much to really do the testing I want to do.
I have no idea what HB is planning with the new lens line up. Personally I would have gone for a 110V instead of a 90. 110 is double the 55. Then add a 28mm. Half the 55, for a perfect three lens kit. others will go the 38 and the 80. Both Fujis and HBs range planning it a bit of throw stuff at a wall rather than a considered approach like the SL primes.
I'll wait a bit but currently my thinking is to find my 45's, 65 and current 90 new homes, plus a few HC lenses I don't use anymore. Maybe even the 30. The zoom is a big disruptor because it works so well on the X2D.
Thanks so much Gordon, very helpful. Keen to hear how you feel about the overall quality of the files with the X2D and of course when you receive the 90 2.5 how it compares to the XCD 80 1.9 and original 90.
Desmolicious wrote:
Well she is someone that Hasselblad obviously trusted/respected enough to get her a camera for a first look review.
She didn't just complain about focus speeds, she mentioned it hunted a lot in normal light, and often could not focus in dim light.
Not being able to focus is a lot different than being in a speed race with a Z9!
On top of that, she did mention the speed compared to the Fuji 100s so she compared apple to apples and she said it was slow. To me, at this price point, it's a no go.
Anyone knows when can we typically expect a price drop on the previous generation? I think I made peace with the fact that I could use the X1D II with manual mechanical focus with the 45p for a lot less than a X2D with very questionnable AF...
malotru007 wrote:
On top of that, she did mention the speed compared to the Fuji 100s so she compared apple to apples and she said it was slow. To me, at this price point, it's a no go.
I would trust Gordon's feedback, a photographer with much longer experience, both with GFX100S and X1D.
malotru007 wrote:
On top of that, she did mention the speed compared to the Fuji 100s so she compared apple to apples and she said it was slow. To me, at this price point, it's a no go.
Gordon did just add his impressions which are more positive.
Desmolicious wrote:
Gordon did just add his impressions which are more positive.
I too would trust Gordon's long term personal experience and expertise with both the Hasselblad and the Fuji systems. We all have our own priorities and what we need/want in cameras and lenses, and thus far the new X2D and V series lenses appear to meet all my needs so I am extremely optimistic for my set to arrive.
Speaking of the new lenses, I'm really impressed with the distortion curve. We're looking at ~0.15-0.20% distortion through most of the image, which is super low. I initially thought it was the standard grid size implying much higher, but each one has its own.
This system gets very interesting to me if the new lenses have almost non-existent chromatic aberration and more than fully resolve the small pixels on that 102mp sensor. A kit of the new 90mm and 38mm plus the existing 20mm could be great for landscape and travel.
The Fuji GFX 100 is a great camera with very good lenses. But most of the lenses don’t seem to fully get he most from the sensor. Hopefully Hasselblad made a better glass-to-sensor match here.
