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johnvanr wrote:
Four lenses when out shooting doesn’t sound minimalist to me, to be honest. But if it works for you, great.


Fair enough. However, they are all lenses of near identical size, take identical 67 mm filters, fit interchangeably in any bag, and all fit in a Ribz chest pack or a small Think Tank shoulder bag. I recall it weighs less than 8 pounds for walking around.



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Nov 28, 2021 at 10:11 AM
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p.7 #2 · Photo Equipment for a month long? trip to Italy


naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Gordon,

Thank you. I am not sure if I can follow all of your suggestions. As far as Insurance, I have some through PPA and also I will confirm this with my Home owners.

As to cameras having the same batteries, the only way this would be possible would be if I took my Kolari Vision modified cameras or another A7r. But, I can live with both size batteries. I have the chargers loaded in a case so it is not that much of an issue to me.

I am not sure about getting all of the lenses with the same filter
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Make sure your insurance is global. I had to get an extra rider to get worldwide coverage.



Nov 28, 2021 at 03:22 PM
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Oh this is a fun thread. I'm also going to Italy for a month too (May 2022) Rome/Tuscany/Lake Como/Dolomites/Milan. So, I'm going through a similar exercise.

I've struggled with the direction I want to go, but ultimately decided I value size (and also cost)... So my kit is going to be:
Loxia 21, SY35/2.8, Sony 85/1.8

I'm considering upgrading the Samyang. But I'm not sure, yet. I bought it more as a novelty lens originally because of how small it was. But for some reason, I find myself liking its images.

Best of luck! I'll keep a close eye on this thread



Nov 30, 2021 at 05:50 PM
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To fill some of this in and also with the other thread regarding downloading my digital files and accessing the internet, I checked both with PPA and also with my Home Owner's insurance companies and I have coverage for theft for my Photo equipment worldwide and should have sufficient coverage between them for what I will be carrying.

I decided to bite the bullet and I have a Leofoto monopod: Leofoto MP-285C 5 Section CF Travel Monopod:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CWMWKPL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/31ygmw6JbLL._AC_.jpg

and Leofoto Monopod Support Base: LEOFOTO VD-02 Monopod Support Tripod Base

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XD12PL2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51w7h6it1nL._AC_SL1212_.jpg

on their way to me. This was a stupid low price with the discounts and coupons for the CF monopod and the Support Base for just under $92 including tax with free Prime shipping.

I will have to check this out, but I suspect that it will of course be smaller to carry than my Leofoto LS-284C Tripod, but with the Arca Swiss QR clamp to quickly move the ball head back and forth should save me about 13 oz for most days particularly daylight hours and quite possibly indoors as well. I may find this set-up stable enough to carry most of the time that I do not require long exposures for the trip. The base should make the monopod much more stable and I think that it will serve me well. I will also try it set up (though not for this trip to work with my small Gimbal head alone and quite possibly with leveling base) for photographing birds and other wildlife.

Also, I took advantage of the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals and have a Crucial 2 TB internal SSD and a SanDisk Pro 2 TB external SSD coming for working with the NEXTO DI NPS-10 Nexto Photo Storage unit that I will purchase closer to the time of departure probably late January/early February.

Rich




Nov 30, 2021 at 06:21 PM
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I's not completely photo related but in checking with insurance, etc., plan early for any medical or prescription coverage. Thirty days might overlap prescription fill points and while most plans/pharmacies seem accommodating for something like this, it might take some planning and pill counting to be ready. While in Florence, my daughter had to restart a prescription med and the US med wasn't available in the same ways in Italy. OTOH, on my folks visit when their tour van was stolen on a transit day, they all lost everything except what they were wearing at the time. This was film and camcorder days so it was a problem. They finished the trip washing each night, etc., and one man had to cut short and return for some reason, meds/treatment related that couldn't be continued.


Nov 30, 2021 at 07:12 PM
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Craig Gillette wrote:
I's not completely photo related but in checking with insurance, etc., plan early for any medical or prescription coverage. Thirty days might overlap prescription fill points and while most plans/pharmacies seem accommodating for something like this, it might take some planning and pill counting to be ready. While in Florence, my daughter had to restart a prescription med and the US med wasn't available in the same ways in Italy. OTOH, on my folks visit when their tour van was stolen on a transit day, they all lost everything except what they were wearing at the time. This was
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Hi Craig,

Thank you. I normally have a 90 day supply of my meds (and often) more on hand. I will pack 4 1 week packs of my meds for each day to bring with me. I will have each week color coded.

Rich




Nov 30, 2021 at 07:16 PM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Craig,

Thank you. I normally have a 90 day supply of my meds (and often) more on hand. I will pack 4 1 week packs of my meds for each day to bring with me. I will have each week color coded.

Rich



I'd pack at least an extra week of meds given the unknowns of Covid and the on again / off again travel restrictions. I've had friends stuck in Cuba for 2 months and Thailand for 3 weeks due to Covid.



Nov 30, 2021 at 07:41 PM
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I haven’t read everything, but this has been interesting. What grabbed my attention, is you state that because of wrist injuries, you will be mostly, if not fully, working off a support, tripod or monopod.
I am trying to get a mental picture. Is it accurate to say that your photography is slow and deliberate? Do you take a lot of photos in a day or just a few? Do you pack and unpack you camera/tripod for each photo? Or wander around with tripod/camera over your shoulder most of the day?
If shooting primarily from a tripod, is there an advantage to carrying 2 bodies?

As others have mentioned, some places won’t allow tripods or you might find that you can’t place a tripod exactly where you would like. For this reason alone, I would go with a zoom to more easily get the desired framing if restricted by where you can place your support.

If it were me, I would take a zoom that covers 90% of my needs. Have lens/camera on tripod/monopod, over shoulder ready to go, with a small bag with 1-2 favourite primes and accessories. Unless you really like shooting razor thin depth of field, the slower lenses should fine off a support and I would be more tempted to go with smaller, lighter lenses and save my back.



Dec 01, 2021 at 04:04 PM
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mrott wrote:
I haven’t read everything, but this has been interesting. What grabbed my attention, is you state that because of wrist injuries, you will be mostly, if not fully, working off a support, tripod or monopod.
I am trying to get a mental picture. Is it accurate to say that your photography is slow and deliberate? Do you take a lot of photos in a day or just a few? Do you pack and unpack you camera/tripod for each photo? Or wander around with tripod/camera over your shoulder most of the day?
If shooting primarily from a tripod, is there an advantage to
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I can hold a camera with my hands even having broken both wrists. But, my hands are not quite as steady as prior to the accident and I normally can not hold things as long as before. Also, the Doctor's reset my left wrist off from the norm (as I recall off about 8 degrees) because they were unsure if I would regain total motion and mobility of my right wrist.

Part of the reason for using 2 cameras is that my WA M-mount lenses perform better on my Kolari Vision Ultra Thin Sensor modified A7rII than they do on a stock Sony body. These lenses perform better into the edges and corners than stock cameras. The second body will be used for the purposes of using longer lenses, normally 50mm and longer as well as my zoom lens.

I normally prefer to use smaller and lighter very sharp Prime lenses than zoom lenses. The exceptions being my Leica M WATE and longer focal length zooms. I will work either way as to keeping one lens and camera out and or in a separate pouch. But, I most often pack things and set up my tripod and now with the new option with the support attached to the monopod. Occasionally I will have my tripod over my shoulder but not usually with a camera or lens attached. I set-up as I see a subject and will then frequently work somewhat carefully for composition. I can take hundreds of photos per day, but that includes bracketing. When photographing birds however I can approach 800 to 1000 photos per day with my zoom lenses, but I am not traveling to Italy for purpose of bird or wildlife photography.

With the exception of the Leica R 80-200mm f4 Vario-Elmar lens, the other lenses are small, particularly the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II VM and the Voitlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar VM.

I am still waiting for the delivery of my Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar lens, but the 2 camera bodies with L brackets and neck straps; Leica M WATE with adapter, filter, filter adapter, and front cap; Voigtander 28mm f2 Ultron II VM with adapter, filter, hood and front cap; Voigtander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar Asph, FE mount with filter, hood, and front cap; and the Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar VM with adapter, filter, hood, and front cap should weigh a little over 7 pounds. The Leica zoom is not expected to be carried most of the time.

In Italy, I am not sure quite how I will shoot, but I anticipate having the monopod out much of the time and one of the camera in my pouch around my waist or chest or in my hands.

Rich



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Craig Gillette wrote:
I's not completely photo related but in checking with insurance, etc., plan early for any medical or prescription coverage. Thirty days might overlap prescription fill points and while most plans/pharmacies seem accommodating for something like this, it might take some planning and pill counting to be ready. While in Florence, my daughter had to restart a prescription med and the US med wasn't available in the same ways in Italy. OTOH, on my folks visit when their tour van was stolen on a transit day, they all lost everything except what they were wearing at the time. This was
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Which is why I always keep a small SSD with the trips pics in a zippered cargo pants pocket.

NOT in the same pocket as my wallet.




Dec 01, 2021 at 05:28 PM
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mrott wrote:
I am still waiting for the delivery of my Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar lens, but the 2 camera bodies with L brackets and neck straps; Leica M WATE with adapter, filter, filter adapter, and front cap; Voigtander 24mm f2 Ultron II VM with adapter, filter, hood and front cap; Voigtander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar Asph, FE mount with filter, hood, and front cap; and the Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar VM with adapter, filter, hood, and front cap should weigh a little over 7 pounds. The Leica zoom is not expected to be carried most of the time.



Rich, do you know something the rest of us don't? An inside line to Mr. Kobayashi at Cosina and a new 24/2?



OK, just teasing! I know you meant the 28/2 Ultron II. Or did you??



Dec 01, 2021 at 05:57 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Rich, do you know something the rest of us don't? An inside line to Mr. Kobayashi at Cosina and a new 24/2?

OK, just teasing! I know you meant the 28/2 Ultron II. Or did you??


Hi Ron,

Oops. Good catch. Corrected to 28mm f2 Ultron II VM. It is amazingly small and light.

Rich






Dec 01, 2021 at 06:06 PM
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I figured I'd make another post here after returning from our holidays to Italy and Switzerland yesterday.

We spent some days in Milan, Verona and Venice and I packed only the CV15, Batis 40 and Sigma 24-70 DG DN. I found that this all worked quite well; the CV15 seeing the least use and the Sigma the most. The ability to crop on the A7R4 came in really handy too, and I found myself mostly shooting on the longer end of the 24-70; mostly 50mm and above.
During our walks around town I only had one lens with me and only changed at the hotel room or on the train if the opportunity was available. One things to note I found is that there are very few public benches in Italy in the cities we visited, so changing equipment in the field is basically not possible. That might be something to consider for you as well Rich.
I would also like to add that I didn't feel any sense of unsafeness or anything. I carried the camera on a sling strap or in my hand all the time and didn't feel like people were eyeing me or anything like that. I did see people sneaking looks at people with Leica's though (but that's normal perhaps). I had the camera out in public transport (metros, trams, trains and busses) all the time too without any issues.

As for what I saw other people use; the people using Sony mostly had 16-35's, 24-105's and 35/50GMs. Especially in Venice the 50GMs were abundant.

I hope my little report helps you in your quest for your upcoming trip.



Dec 23, 2021 at 05:02 AM
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What prime lenses on your (2) Sony cameras to Italy in March 2022 should not be too difficult. On our recent visit to Rome and Sorrento used my trusty my Fuji X-T3 with 50mm f2 not a problem. At the Vatican museum a wide-angle lens at least 24mm required in some instances. Out of 100 shots my hit-rate high enough for my general purposes. Prefer to keep low profile.

Out of interest observed other photographers cameras. One German tourist with 70-200mm f2,8 zoom lens (rented) on his Nikon Z. Most Americans loaded with new R Canons. Sony cameras with 24-105mm zoom also spotted. One American lost his camera bag; stolen from open back car-door window. My only regret: Our return flight to Nice cancelled by ALITALIA which went bust on the day of our return to Nice where we now reside. ALITALIA website refused refund. Home by Easyjet in 45 minutes.

For travelling in the future; my Sony A7RIII with small zoom like SIGMA 18-50mm f2,8 (to buy).



Dec 23, 2021 at 06:11 AM
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Richard-BB wrote:
One German tourist with 70-200mm f2,8 zoom lens (rented) on his Nikon Z.


That reminds me of something

I usually don't like posting pictures with people in them, but since you can't see his face.. This was in Venice last year and the guy looked completely out of place - bag, tripod, multiple lens holsters with big Nikon glass, at least 2 bodies. Like an alien. The polar opposite of low profile...
He might have been a professional on assignment, but looked more like a tourist to me. Spotted him multiple times, but had to make this picture of him setting up. At noon. In absolutely boring light... live and let live I guess - my dad is kind of like him

too much gear? by Felix, auf Flickr



Dec 23, 2021 at 07:53 AM
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It looks like I won't be going on the trip after all but the others will even though I have purchased a lot of the gear. I will use the purchased gear for other travels next year and into the future though.

Thanks everyone.

Rich



Dec 23, 2021 at 08:20 AM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
It looks like I won't be going on the trip after all but the others will even though I have purchased a lot of the gear. I will use the purchased gear for other travels next year and into the future though.

That's a shame! What happened? I think everyone in the thread was excited for you to go.



Dec 23, 2021 at 08:25 AM
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zz wrote:
That's a shame! What happened? I think everyone in the thread was excited for you to go.


Thanks but, I would rather not go into things. I will have to expend my energies on other travels.

Rich




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naturephoto1 wrote:
Thanks but, I would rather not go into things. I will have to expend my energies on other travels.

I respect that and wish you more luck for other trips!



Dec 23, 2021 at 08:36 AM
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zz wrote:
I figured I'd make another post here after returning from our holidays to Italy and Switzerland yesterday.

We spent some days in Milan, Verona and Venice and I packed only the CV15, Batis 40 and Sigma 24-70 DG DN. I found that this all worked quite well; the CV15 seeing the least use and the Sigma the most. The ability to crop on the A7R4 came in really handy too, and I found myself mostly shooting on the longer end of the 24-70; mostly 50mm and above.
During our walks around town I only had one lens with me and only changed
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What is the travel situation in Italy given the new covid variant? We are scheduled for Rome, Florence, Bologna, and elsewhere in Tuscany in late February and March. Our worry is that if even one of our group of three contracts the very contagious new variant, the required quarantine will kill the trip.



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