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This is a companion piece to my thread that I started a short time age regarding downloading photos and accessing the internet for an extended period of time while traveling. This thread will be regarding what photo equipment that I should take for what may turn out to be a month long trip to Italy in March of next year with my wife who now needs a rollator (we got her a rollator for all terrain with pneumatic tires), my Step Daughter who is having some health issues and her friend.

First let me say, I am an "old time" photographer in that I have shot MF in a large number of formats for many years from large format, to medium format Rolleiflex TLR, Mamiya 7II, and Leica R camera systems. I am not really a people photographer, but I can and on occasion will photograph them, but not that often. I did that when I was the Chief Photographer when I was on the Rutgers Newark College Newspaper and the College yearbook staffs for many years in the 1970s and 1980s. I even shot Volleyball for the school during those years all with Canon cameras and FD lenses.

Today, I much prefer shooting with small (mainly primes), sharp, manual focus lenses with good performance for most of my shooting to somewhere around 100mm. As a result, most of my lenses are M-mount, Leica R, and Voigtlander MF lenses that I use with 5 Sony camera bodies. When I get to longer focal lengths at this point I often/normally switch over to AF Sony 100-400mm GM and 200-600mm G lenses which I use largely for wildlife including birds, though I also use them for landscape work.

Of the Sony camera bodies, I intend to only bring 2 due to the weight and space available. These will be my A1 and my A7rII Kolari Vision UT sensor modified cameras (to be used mainly with most of my WA M-mount lenses with the possible exception of the Voigtlander 12mm VM lens). I intend to bring my Think Tank AIRPORT ADVANTAGE™ roller (Their smallest roller) and to supplement that with a Think Tank BACKSTORY 13 as my personal item. I anticipate that we will fly from Newark to Rome, Italy by United because they do not have weight restrictions, only size restrictions and they also have a non stop flight. The BACKSTORY 13 is 1/2" larger than the United personal item size in one dimension, but Think Tank thinks that we can compress the pack that 1/2" and it should not be a problem.

As to the lenses that I have available to take, these include the following M-mount lenses: Leica M WATE, Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, Leica M 135mm f4 Tele-Elmar V1, Zeiss 35mm f1.4 ZM Distagon, Minolta CLE MC 40mm f2 M-Rokkor, and Voigtlander 12mm f5.6 Ultra-Wide Heliar VIII VM (just returned from SK Grimes and can now be used with numerous filters), Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II Asph VM, and the Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar which will be shipped at the end of this month.

The Leica R lenses that I would consider bringing would be my Leica R 28mm f2.8 Super Angulon PC, Leica R 180mm f3.4 Apo-Telyt, and Leica R 80-200mm f4 Vario Elmar.

As to E-mount lenses I have the following: Voigtlander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar Asph, E-mount, Voigtlander 65mm f2 Macro Apo-Lanthar Asph, and 110mm f2.5 Apo-Lanthar. The only AF lens that I would also like to consider bringing would be my Sony 100-400mm GM (quite possibly with the 1.4X TC and maybe the 2X TC).

As much as I like the 2 Voigtlander Macro lenses, they are large and heavy and I will also be bringing along my Kenko Sony FE Extension Tube Set as well as Marumi DHG Achromat Lens 200 in 49mm thread size which I will be able to use with the Voigtlander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar Asph, E-mount and the Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar lenses. I will also be bringing the Hawk's Factory Leica M to Sony FE Helicoid V5 which allows any of the M mount lenses to focus closer than the lens allows. For the M-mount lenses I will also bring 2 Novoflex Leica M to FE adapters, and the Phigment Leica M to Sony FE adapter that I have "glued" to the Leica M WATE (the adapter will record EXIF info as the WATE and will also auto magnify with the lens when focused).

My preferred lens set would consist of the Voigtlander 12mm f5.6 VM, Leica M WATE (16/18/21mm), Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II VM, Voigtlander 50mm f2 Apo-Lanthar Asph, E-mount, Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar, and the Sony 100-400mm GM (possibly with the 1.4X and 2X?? TCs). I would also expect to carry the Minolta CLE MC 40mm f2 M-Rokkor because it is so tiny and light and could be used for an extremely small package with 1 body when I wanted.

I personally prefer the 28mm focal length for my shooting than the 35mm which many of you prefer. The 28mm focal length spaces better with the other lenses than the 35mm focal length which I find too close to the 50mm focal length. If everyone thinks that I need the extra stop at f1.4 vs f2, I will consider bringing it and/or substitute for the 28mm focal length.

The way that I would expect to use the lenses and how I will be able to recognize which focal length is used with the limited EXIF data is:

With the A7rII Kolari Vision UT sensor modified camera, I would use the Leica M WATE with the Phigment Leica M to Sony E mount adapter which records the EXIF data. The 28mm Ultron II records no data, so I would recognize which lens was used.

With the A1 camera, I would use the 2 E mount lenses which both record EXIF data. The Voigtlander 12mm f5.6 VM records no EXIF data, nor does the Voigtlander 90mm f2.8 Apo-Skopar (which I expect should perform as well on either camera) but I believe that I could differentiate between these 2 extreme differences in focal length.

I look forward to your comments, observations, and suggestions.

Rich



Nov 24, 2021 at 09:04 AM
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If it were me I would just take my M 10 Mono and my 35 Summilux FLE. Maybe another body for backup. I went to Hamburg Germany in 2019 one camera, one lens. For me it's not limiting but liberating. I fdon't miss shots I jsut see different shots.


Nov 24, 2021 at 09:20 AM
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airfrogusmc wrote:
If it were me I would just take my M 10 Mono and my 35 Summilux FLE. Maybe another body for backup. I went to Hamburg Germany in 2019 one camera, one lens. For me it's not limiting but liberating. I fdon't miss shots I jsut see different shots.


Thanks for the comment and suggestion. But, in my case I only have M mount and other lenses with no M camera body and only Sony FF camera bodies.

Rich




Nov 24, 2021 at 09:22 AM
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My 2 cents:

You have far more experience with gear than 95% of the people that might respond.

Sit down with pen and paper and a nice glass of wine or espresso.

(The only two liquids that matter )

Ask yourself what kind of images you want to bring home and then try to relate those desires to the gear most likely to fulfill them.

After that first cull ask yourself if any of the equipment remaining might compromise other sources of potential pleasure that the journey might provide.

After the second cull see what fits in the bag.

Done.

I find that while traveling I always desire to have the same base set of lenses with me.

True whether I'm gone for a weekend or two weeks.

When it is comfortable to do so I might pack a couple of "exotics" to play with.

Enjoy your trip. Looking forward to the day when I can be away for a month at a time.



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Nov 24, 2021 at 09:24 AM
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DaveFP wrote:
My 2 cents:

You have far more experience with gear than 95% of the people that might respond.

Sit down with pen and paper and a nice glass of wine or espresso.

(The only two liquids that matter )

Ask yourself what kind of images you want to bring home and then try to relate those desires to the gear most likely to fulfill them.

After that first cull ask yourself if any that equipment might compromise other sources of the potential pleasure the journey might provide.

After the second cull see what fits in the bag.

Done.

I find that while traveling I always desire to
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Hi Dave,

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Most appreciated. Some of us are just old and getting older.

Rich



Nov 24, 2021 at 09:30 AM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
Thanks for the comment and suggestion. But, in my case I only have M mount and other lenses with no M camera body and only Sony FF camera bodies.

Rich



You can still take one body, maybe a back up if you think it's needed and one lens.

When I was young I would travel with 2 500 C/Ms a 50, 80 and 180 lenses and a Canon F-1 and a 35 and 85mm lens. I don't miss those days and I have a lot more success because I know from all the years of experience of how i see and what I need to capture that vision. I don't need all the stuff. Just the stuff that matches that vision.



Nov 24, 2021 at 09:38 AM
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airfrogusmc wrote:
You can still take one body, maybe a back up if you think it's needed and one lens.



Thank you for the suggestion. But, I think that I will bring a number of lenses and the 2 camera bodies. I would expect that i will carry one of the two bodies with a lens attached in a Kinesis Gear Pouch around my neck/chest/waist with the remainder of the days equipment in a Photo Backpack or Sling. The long Telephoto/Zoom would only be carried when specific subjects would be considered for the day. Unfortunately I shattered both wrists in a bicycle/car accident in 1993 so I normally use a tripod for support as I can no longer support the camera as well as prior to the accident. The tripod could be used just extending the legs if need be to act like a monopod.

Rich




Nov 24, 2021 at 09:46 AM
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With your menagerie of lenses I can see how choices can get though, but I completely agree with Dave here. Try and see what you would want to photograph and how and build a list from there.
I would probably consider packing an M mount body and an E mount body with about 2 lenses each. Especially if you can return to a hotel room during the day you can even swap bodies whenever you feel like it. I personally wouldn't want to walk around with those bodies at the same time around your neck/hanging from a strap. It's best to have one in the backpack or at the hotel, and the other one in your hands.



Nov 24, 2021 at 09:49 AM
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zz wrote:
With your menagerie of lenses I can see how choices can get though, but I completely agree with Dave here. Try and see what you would want to photograph and how and build a list from there.
I would probably consider packing an M mount body and an E mount body with about 2 lenses each. Especially if you can return to a hotel room during the day you can even swap bodies whenever you feel like it. I personally wouldn't want to walk around with those bodies at the same time around your neck/hanging from a strap. It's best to
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I am close to that, but I am leaning toward also including the 12mm f5.6 Heliar VIII and substituting the Voigtlander 90mm Skopar on the A1 camera for my walk around kit. So 5 lenses leaving the Minolta CLE MC 40mm M-Rokkor and the Sony 100-400mm GM lenses in the hotel to be used only for specific purposes.

As to the question of the camera and lens in the Kinesis Gear pouch, I would expect to be holding the strap and/or pouch itself in my hands or attached on a Think Tank belt facing in front of me. The tripod would normally be carried in a Think Tank Bazooka (telescoping case no longer made) which I can adjust for size depending upon how I configure my Leofoto ls-284c tripod that collapses to 17 1/2" alone or 18" with QR clamp (I would fit this in the roller for travel to and from Europe and between cities.

Also the beauty of the Think Tank and/or Mindshift Gear Photo Backpacks that I will be using, the photo equipment can only be accessed from the side of the pack against my back not the direction facing anyone walking behind me.

Rich




Nov 24, 2021 at 10:01 AM
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naturephoto1 wrote:
I am close to that, but I am leaning toward also including the 12mm f5.6 Heliar VIII and substituting the Voigtlander 90mm Skopar on the A1 camera for my walk around kit. So 5 lenses leaving the Minolta CLE MC 40mm M-Rokkor and the Sony 100-400mm GM lenses in the hotel to be used only for specific purposes.

As to the question of the camera and lens in the Kinesis Gear pouch, I would expect to be holding the strap and/or pouch itself in my hands or attached on a Think Tank belt facing in front of me.

That sounds pretty sensible to me. I feel like the safety aspect of having two bodies around could also play into it a bit; both in terms of accidentally knocking into something and potential theft etc. You don't want to stand out by looking like a tourist that has $10000+ worth of gear strapped to themselves.



Nov 24, 2021 at 10:08 AM
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zz wrote:
That sounds pretty sensible to me. I feel like the safety aspect of having two bodies around could also play into it a bit; both in terms of accidentally knocking into something and potential theft etc. You don't want to stand out by looking like a tourist that has $10000+ worth of gear strapped to themselves.


The Think Tank BackStory13 Backpack is small and doesn't look like a camera bag:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0532/0233/products/Backstory_0023_Backstory-Backpack-13-Hero-Front-Right-022.jpg

And the Kinesis Gear Pouch is small and rather inconspicuous:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1658/4705/products/M330KObig_1024x1024.jpg

Rich



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Nov 24, 2021 at 10:13 AM
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I am a minimalist. When I travel, I strongly consider a 1-lens setup first, but I only manage such a setup when I expect to spend the entire trip in a harsh environment (tent on a glacier for example). In more luxurious settings (hotel in Europe), I would try to make it work with a 2-lens setup (28 mm and 90 mm, both in Leica R). I find that these lenses have plenty of resolution on a Sony to allow such a large step in focal length. For a longer trip, if space were not a constraint, and if I anticipated needing them, I would add one telephoto (I too would take the one telephoto to rule them all: the 180 mm f/3.4 Apo-Telyt-R) and one macro (Canon 180 mm, anything shorter will scare away critters). Add a travel tripod, batteries, a charger and you should be ready to go!

DaveFP wrote:
Sit down with pen and paper and a nice glass of wine or espresso.

(The only two liquids that matter )


This guy gets it!!!



Nov 24, 2021 at 10:21 AM
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Rich,

You have an amazing assortment of wonderful lenses. I am sure that you know way more than me what you like and how you like to use them. So, I won't try and address that.

Since, I am dual American/Italian citizen, with business interests in many countries I have spent a lot of time traveling, and a great deal of time in Italy. Except for the last two years, I am usually in Italy 3 times a year. The lenses you will want will vary a great deal depending on where you go.

In general I like to keep my travel kit to a reasonable size and weight so I don't burden myself and those around me with my photographic hobby.

Italy provides an unlimited breadth of photographic opportunities.

The historical ranges from the classic landmarks, the quaint, the culturally significant, markets, streets, interiors, and yes interesting people. For these you will need a good FL range from vey wide, to normal focal lengths. Say 12- 85mm. Because light levels are often low in these circumstances, and you will be walking around sight seeing, these should be fast glass with wide apertures, and as small as possible. Your collection of MF primes will serve you well here. I would limit myself to a max 4 small primes for this use. I like the dual personality of the fast Voigtlanders that can be full of character wide open to capture mood, and crisp stopped down to record the amazing details. For sure I would take my CV 40mm f/1.2, and my 75mm f/1.5, and pick your two wide angles. The big challenge with the wides is to keep them small as well as wide and fast. My MF kit for these situation easily fits in my jacket pocket.

Italy is also a geologically (and therefore geographically) interesting area. I know as a fellow Earth Scientist you know what I am speaking about. The amazing mountains and lakes of the North. Including my favorite photogenic mountains, the Dolomites. The rolling hills of Tuscany. The fantastic coastal villages, and the ancient hilltop cities down the central spine all the way to the boot.

This geography has been continually occupied for many thousands of years. However, the Italians have done a fantastic job of curating, and preserving their environment. You will find immaculately groomed farm, mixed with well preserved woodlands, and coastlines. The cities and towns are concentrated and dense. But this allows for lots of open and green spaces surrounding them.

The same kit you use for walking around the cities will serve you well for the landscapes. But, to maximize the mountains, coasts, countryside, you will want some long glass. 200mm at a minimum, but I prefer longer as well so my choice here is the Sony 100-400 GM. Trust me, it will see plenty of use to justify the size and weight. Also, most of the long landscape opportunities will be close to your car, so you won't be carrying it on long walks.

It sounds like your Wife has mobility issues. I often say that Italians are "goats". They like to live on top of hills. They save the flats and valleys for farming. The towns and cities are also mostly paved with stones in one configuration or another. Elevators and ramps are rare. You will need to plan your outings carefully to accommodate her. The good news is that the roads in the countryside are very smooth and very well maintained. She will do well in those areas. But a good number of the costal areas will end up being all but impossible for her I fear.

Also keep in mind that security can be an issue in Italy. There are groups of people who make their living stealing camera gear and other valuables from tourists. This is mostly in the big cities. Walking around in these areas with a camera bag or backpack is likely to draw their unwanted attention. Even the camera around your neck will be a target. They are experts at cutting straps and taking you gear before you even know it is happening. You will want to get "uncuttable" straps for your camera, and keep your lenses in your zippered or buttoned pocket while walking around.

As you get closer to the trip, and begin to refine your equipment choices, keep us posted. I will be happy to help where I can.


Steve



Nov 24, 2021 at 10:36 AM
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I have done such long trips around Europe (including Italy) a couple of times with the family (ie wife + 2 younger kids, load the car and drive for 5 weeks). I've also done other shorter roadtrips, I've done flights to places for 2-3 weeks, I've done lots of weekends away.

I really don't think that it matters much if you are going somewhere for 4 weeks or a weekend, unless you are staying in the same place for 4 weeks then you're just doing a series of 3-4 day trips, right? In fact, a 4 week trip is just like a 2 week trip. You just need to wash some clothes at some point

So, the best way to enjoy yourself (ie have fun and not pretend you're a National Geographic reporter) is this:

Get a couple of cameras (because you want a backup) and 2-3 small lenses. Once you're there take one camera and a couple of lenses or two cameras/one lens each. This way the equipment is:

1. light & small
2. straightforward

You don't worry about which lens to use. You don't juggle 10 lenses and 5 cameras, deciding which to use, which lens to mount, how to do the switch while you worry about passerbys grabbing and running or dropping things or your family looking impatiently and rolling their eyes. You also don't weight yourself down and can explore a wider area which, in my opinion, is a better photographic opportunity than a smaller area with more kit.

You know what focal lengths you like, pick 2 or three and your two favourite cameras. That's it.

Personal choice: having been to Italy lots of times I would just go with my M and:
a 21(because the old city centres are tall and narrow)
a fast 35 (because that's the only thing I'd carry around at night)
a 50 (because sometimes I want a nice portrait of the family)

When I come back I want to have photos of the family having fun and showing how we were all present, not some postcard photos that anyone could have taken. The former is what the kids will be looking when I'll be long gone. The later will be some "meh" photos that noone will have a second look. Note that the former doesn't mean the photos need to be just "snaps", that's why we spend the money on all this fancy equpiment, right?



Nov 24, 2021 at 10:43 AM
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Panos,

While I understand your photographic goals, I think that if you look at what Rich most often photographic it is almost the exact opposite. Lots of landscapes, almost no people.



Nov 24, 2021 at 10:53 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Panos,

While I understand your photographic goals, I think that if you look at what Rich most often photographic it is almost the exact opposite. Lots of landscapes, almost no people.


Sure, which is why Rich will have to pick the focal lengths accordingly. The main point was that a trip like that is not to do photography but to have a family vacation. To be able to trully do that I need to be present, not spend the day deliberating what equipment I'll have. In any case, these are personal opinions which we offer based on our personal experiences and preferences. Even if I was to photograph a landscape I'd like to feel it first and, if possible, photograph it. It is like people that spend more time photographing their food and instagramming it vs actually eating it.

I suppose one thing missing from the original question was what the subject matter is going to be. As you say it is landscapes. I assumed it wasn't. But even then, we're missing the where. "I'm going to Italy" is like me saying I'll go to America what 3 lenses to take, everyone makes generic suggestions then I say I go to Yellowstone. Then everyone says get your telephoto and tripod and then I say I'll also spend a week in Manhattan.



Nov 24, 2021 at 10:59 AM
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Daves suggestion is a good one, I think.

My personal approach to your question (as someone who travels a lot in european cities and landscapes) is to use a 2-body 3-lens setup. Because your lenses are smaller, a fourth lens wouldn't hurt.

On the wide end the V12 is important (I like this lens for cities) plus your 28mm lens. That's easy I think.

The long end is more difficult. If you like EXIF-data, the V50 and V110 (or whatever you prefer in the 90-135 range) would be my preference. They also pair well with other lenses.

Personally I have not much use for longer lenses, especially if they are large. But your preferences may be different...

Personally I can



Nov 24, 2021 at 11:16 AM
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I personally would not travel with two seperate mounts.

I want two identical mounts so that each serves as a backup to the other.

If one goes bad or gets stolen you now have a bunch of lenses that are no more than ballast.

I love the MindShift Panorama bag. I keep my primary on the strap with a PD clip and keep my secondary in the rotation bag. There's plenty of room for two cameras and their lenses, a 70-200/4, and all the associated paraphernalia.

Big enough for a day's outing but not so big as to be intrusive at restaurants; etc.

I use a MindShift 16L as a carry-on. In the evening I'll use it to go out with a single body and a fast prime. Big enough to carry light sweaters/fleece in case the temperature drops. Tucks away nicely at restaurants.

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Nov 24, 2021 at 11:33 AM
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Hi Rich,

I think your initial inclination to take the Voigtlander 12, Leica WATE, Voigtlander 28 f/2 II, Voigtlander 50 f/2 APO, and Voigtlander 90 f/2.8 APO is an excellent set of lenses. If you think you need the reach adding the 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 is a good choice. Personally like Ulff I wouldn't add such a big lens, but I suppose you can leave it in your hotel room except when you know you will be using it. I am envious of your trip and I hope you have a wonderful time. I know you will bring back excellent pictures.

Best wishes,

Steve



Nov 24, 2021 at 11:36 AM
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I love my Sony 100-400 but that is "alottaweight."

Depends on your shooting style. When I travel I often take a 300 to 400mm lens and love to do long telephoto pictorials. One reason why I bought the Sigma 100-400, too so I can travel as light as possible.

So unless you are sure you want to do those very long stacked up scenics, I'd probably skip it, although it pains me to type this. . .



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