p.2 #1 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
mdvaden wrote:
So reading your post, reminds me where I felt shots from my 5DS locked focus behind the subject. Those times were each with a Tamron 70-200mm at a distance. At 25 feet and closer I'd get most everything sharply focused. I sold my 5DS couple months ago to get an R6. So happened, I missed the 50mp and wondered whether to add more cash for an R5 but it would mean going with 2 bodies. I enjoy having 3 bodies. Two for weddings, with a 3rd spare to always ensure I can strap two bodies with two lenses. So I recently added a 5DS R
For the cost of an R5, you could have an R6 plus the 5DS / 5DSR
yes there is no way I could operate with only 20mp!
I have 3 cameras I can sell and easily cover the cost of an R5 with no out of pocket.
I'd hate to lose the 50mp but 45mp is clos enough I think to justify the increase in focus accuracy!
I love my 200 1.8 but in the last couple years it misses focus by fractions of an inch. that's enough to put an eye oof and ruin a beautiful shot. The R5 would make that 200 and an 85 1.2 super productive wide open with razor thin dof!
I'm trying to correct all my DSLR/EF inadequacies in one fell swoop. LoL
John.
p.2 #2 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
JohnSil wrote:
yes there is no way I could operate with only 20mp!
I have 3 cameras I can sell and easily cover the cost of an R5 with no out of pocket.
I'd hate to lose the 50mp but 45mp is clos enough I think to justify the increase in focus accuracy!
I love my 200 1.8 but in the last couple years it misses focus by fractions of an inch. that's enough to put an eye oof and ruin a beautiful shot. The R5 would make that 200 and an 85 1.2 super productive wide open with razor thin dof!
I'm trying to correct all my DSLR/EF inadequacies in one fell swoop. LoL
John. ...Show more →
Although going from 5DS R to R5 would probably lose detail for me, it's close enough like splitting hairs, and I think I'd like to get an R5 within a year. Personally, I like the exposure simulated in an EVF. It's a big help for me.
The R5 will make a difference for the primes you mentioned.
p.2 #4 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
mogul wrote:
If you haven't noticed, DSLR's are as dead as the Dodo (most of my lenses and cameras)...going forward, get yourself a R5 or comparable body.
Just shot a wedding in October with the 5DS and an EOS R. If I knelt to the dead-as-a-Dodo religion, I wouldn't have mounted the Contax Zeiss 28mm on my R6 today.
DSLRs will probably be alive as long as they are for sale and as long as there are parts and service centers for them.
p.2 #5 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
I mean...you're shooting a 1dxmkII now....so am R6 just gets you all the murrorless upgrades and a newer sensor, for about the same used prices as your MkII. Then you keep tour 5DS for resolution work and as a backup.
If you want an R5 and can manage a single body, then go for it. It's a great cam. I think k what he was saying is the R6 is a good alternative for the benefits of mirrorless without having to sell your whole collection.
Brian
JohnSil wrote:
yes there is no way I could operate with only 20mp!
I have 3 cameras I can sell and easily cover the cost of an R5 with no out of pocket.
I'd hate to lose the 50mp but 45mp is clos enough I think to justify the increase in focus accuracy!
I love my 200 1.8 but in the last couple years it misses focus by fractions of an inch. that's enough to put an eye oof and ruin a beautiful shot. The R5 would make that 200 and an 85 1.2 super productive wide open with razor thin dof!
I'm trying to correct all my DSLR/EF inadequacies in one fell swoop. LoL
John. ...Show more →
p.2 #6 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
jedibrain wrote:
I mean...you're shooting a 1dxmkII now....so am R6 just gets you all the murrorless upgrades and a newer sensor, for about the same used prices as your MkII. Then you keep tour 5DS for resolution work and as a backup.
If you want an R5 and can manage a single body, then go for it. It's a great cam. I think k what he was saying is the R6 is a good alternative for the benefits of mirrorless without having to sell your whole collection.
Brian
Jedi, thanks. I did not, not appreciate the suggestion of the R6. And I agree with you and the other responder that the R6 could virtually replace the awesome 1Dxll and add all the new focus features of ML.
The only reason I shoot now with 20mp now is that ONLY the 1dx line will do what the 1dx will do but that is no longer the case with the arrival of the R5. So it's no longer necessary to make the 20mp sacrifice!
I don't need to sell any of the other bodies but we all know that the longer you keep a body the more worthless it becomes resale wise so I might as well unload them and use the money productively.
Thanks Jedi
John
p.2 #7 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
That’s what many of us use the Control Ring for - it’s on all the RF lenses, and on the Control Ring adapter ( the one I’d recommend). Plus on the mirrorless R cameras you can see the effect of what you’ll get.
On the subject of choice of a body, have you considered the new R3? Looks ideal for sport.
JohnSil wrote:
I would just need to set up a very convenient button to handle +/- EV to help the exposures along a bit.
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p.2 #8 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
JohnSil wrote:
Where kinda in the same boat. One high mp camera and one low mp camera.
Currently the 1D does so much that the 5Ds can't do, as it should be, it's a pro body!
But the R5 is nipping at it's heels in almost every dept, except weather sealing!
I need the high mp of the 5s and that's something the r# can't even come close to. With the R3, as good as IT is I would still need 2 cameras, one to handle the high mp.
From everything I've read and herd in the past year the R5 has few shortcomings, it's just how the new wave of cameras are going to be.
I'm not at all unhappy with the 1D, it's the focus shortfalls of the 5s that are pushing me to the R5 and the fact that other than sealing it's a close second to the 1D.
I might pick up a dirt cheap 7Dll as a back-up in the very rare event of a failure. I usually shoot sports with two bodies, a wide angle and a tele.
Thanks
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If you replace the 1DX Mark II with the R5 you will not find yourself missing anything. I can't think of any aspect where it performed better. I've had my R5 in some good rain with no issues. Lens Rentals ripped apart an R5 and said it had some of the best weather sealing they've ever seen in a camera
I've used a 5DS R and you won't miss a thing about that camera. It's slow and noisy compared to the R5. I personally don't need more than 20-24mp for 90% of the things that I shoot and I shoot a lot of birds and animals. My only complaint about the R5 in comparison with the 1DX II is that my 600 f4 is slower to acquire focus when it is severely defocused. I had similar problems when I tried the 5DS R, 7D Mark II, and other cameras that used LP-E6 technology. After it locks, there is no comparison, it just tracks. People here argue with me, but I'm sure it's partly the battery. I'm upgrading my 600 from a vII to the RF for weight, but also because the R3 is advertised to have additional pins to pass more voltage to the big whites so they can focus faster. I currently use the R6 as my 2nd body. I use it when the light is low and often times when I shoot portraits (again, not somewhere where you need high mp). When I'm in the field, it is attached to my 100-500 on my hip while the 600 is on a tripod. I mention the R6 because if you need two bodies for your work and you don't or can't buy an R3 and an R5, you can't go wrong with that camera. I wouldn't trade my R6 for my old 1DX II any more than I would the R5. I couldn't give up the tracking and exposure simulation. As a matter of fact, when I first made the move to mirrorless, my R6 came in a couple of months before my R5 and I still liked it better than the 1DX II.
When my R3 comes in, I'll sell the R6 (bc I don't need 3 bodies) and will use the R5 on those occasions when I'm photographing something that I need to crop hard.
p.2 #9 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
Thanks Bernie! I’m sure the only two things I’ll miss is going out in the rain and shooting with reckless abandon with no raincoat and linking my spotmeter to my focus point. That was great when shooting in all directions and not caring about the backlight!
It finally got to the point where the advantages of AF will far out weighing the exposure advantages for me.
Thanks for the info.
John
p.2 #11 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
What i read was Bernie replying to a specific person and not the masses. Therefore the “you” was to John and wasn’t really open to any to interpretation for the rest of us.
mdvaden wrote:
The difference between "you" and me or a "they" is interesting sometimes.
Also the R doesn’t really compare to the R5 capabilities so even having 2 of those just wouldn’t be helpful, to a number of individuals. As to damage, I personally have an insurance rider policy that is very cheap annually and covers my gear as replacement if something happens to any of it. That is a good way to no longer worry about expensive gear you are hauling around.
p.2 #12 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
One perk for an action shooter of the R5 over the R6 is the ability to switch shooting modes assigned to a button. I actually when with two R6 bodies initially knowing an R3 would be in my future. I have always been a big user of using custom settings for event and action photography.
I found the new ability to select full frame vs 1.6 crop to be quite valuable. I save identical settings to C1 and C2 with the only difference being full or crop frame. In volume action shooting, using the mode dial to switch between the two became frustrating.
I ended up with an R5 as a third body just for the ability to assign switching shooting modes via the M-Fn and then restricting modes only to C1 and C2. That works like a charm.
p.2 #13 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
Are there disadvantageous to using the EF adapter on the R5?
I assume I'll lose a little light with the added length. How much slower will my 2.8 lenses be?
Will they drop all the way out of Group A to B?
John
p.2 #15 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
I'm shooting a 70-200 v2 EF lens with the canon adapter on an R5 and it is seemless; AF, sharpness, just like it performed on my 1DXII. I use the control ring for EV +/- as mentioned. I've gotten used to higher megapixel cameras for the alternate aspect ratio cropping, so R5 over R6 for me. No AF micro adjust either. I've used it in wet weather with a Thinktank Hydrophobia rain cover with no problem. I'm also a sports photographer. Humans are slower than birds so not too much problem with rolling shutter as mentioned, although it does happen with balls, pucks, any other projectile.
p.2 #16 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
JohnSil wrote:
Are there disadvantageous to using the EF adapter on the R5?
I assume I'll lose a little light with the added length. How much slower will my 2.8 lenses be?
Will they drop all the way out of Group A to B?
John
The only disadvantage IMHO of the EF-RF adapters is that it prevents the need to buy shiny new RF glass.
I have yet to cave and satisfy my GAS to buy any RF lenses. Everyone of my EF lenses perform flawlessly on the R5.
I use the cheap(est) adapter and it simply stays glued to my R5. I don't even realize it's there as it's just part of my camera.
As time goes by the GAS pain will eventually become too great and I'll have to relieve the pressure by picking up some RF glass. But the nice thing is, there is no urgency and I can take my time without feeling like I'm missing out on some new fancy RF features.
Oh, and how do your current bodies look at ISO 12,800? The R5 seems to work pretty good.
Canon EOS R5
EF500mm f/4L IS II USM
ƒ/4.0 500.0 mm 1/640 ISO 12800
p.2 #17 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
I think once you start using eye tracking, you won't want to shoot people any longer with a non R camera.
Also, it's not just about ease of use for you as a photographer. Perhaps even more important is that your models or subjects will not have to wait as long for you to get the darn focus point and/or fiddle with your camera. The whole things is more seamless and thus results in a happier photographer and happier model.
p.2 #18 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
mdvaden wrote:
DSLRs will probably be alive as long as ... there are parts and service centers for them.
This is the key--parts and service centers. And sadly, Canon obsoletes cameras and parts for those cameras much too quickly for my taste.
For example, the pricey 1D Mark IV is still a great camera in my book, but no service center can get parts for them. Therefore, they won't take a 1D Mark IV for repair. That means when the camera breaks, it's done.
p.2 #19 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
This is why I use a camera for a few years and sell it, and move on. It is a personal thing, I don't want old old gear older than a decade on my shelves, I want them gone and I want more supported items. Doesn't work for all folks, just something I do to keep myself protected.
I replaced the 1D4 with the 5D4, for example, since the 5D4 cropped at 1.3 has more resolution than the 1D4, and high ISO is so much better too. I only lost a bit of the burst rate with the move, but gained so much elsewhere.
p.2 #20 · Should I Replace My 1Dxll and 5Ds w/The R5?
clough wrote:
I think once you start using eye tracking, you won't want to shoot people any longer with a non R camera.
Also, it's not just about ease of use for you as a photographer. Perhaps even more important is that your models or subjects will not have to wait as long for you to get the darn focus point and/or fiddle with your camera. The whole things is more seamless and thus results in a happier photographer and happier model.
C, yes that is a big deal. I hadn’t even considered how long it takes and how often I have to tell my models to, “hang on a second”, because I have to move a focus pt.
I actually explain the process at the start so they already know it’s gonna happen.
So that will be welcome relief!
John
Therefore the “you” was to John and wasn’t really open to any to interpretation for the rest of us. 
