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p.6 #1 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


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Personally I don't really see the appeal of this new A7IV for stills photographers. It is a nice evolution from the A7III but nothing ground breaking. If it comes in at ~2.5k, then I would rather get the A7RIV when it is on sale.


I’m not seeing it either except 33 Mpx but that’s still close to 24. All things being equal it makes you wonder.

Maybe a used A9 or the A7r IV might be a better option. I say it’s going to be 2400 and will start throwing question marks

I paid 4K for my barely used A9II so jumping to a A9 might be a idea

Obviously we need to see what’s under the hood on this . I’ve been down this road for many years. My advice put pen to paper and figure out your real needs. Put costs aside for now than add that in later to the decision process. People get price point in there head and make bad decisions . Needs, wants than price. Weight and size won’t matter much here. We k ow what it is already



Oct 18, 2021 at 12:53 PM
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p.6 #2 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


keepcoding wrote:
Personally I don't really see the appeal of this new A7IV (at least for photos). It is a nice evolution from the A7III but nothing ground breaking. If it comes in at ~2.5k, then I would rather get the A7RIV when it is on sale.


There are lightly used A7R4's on the B&S right now for around $2100...



Oct 18, 2021 at 01:00 PM
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p.6 #3 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


For me, the notable upgrades will be:
* AF + bird eyeAF
* responsiveness (new processor)
* ergonomics (slightly bigger body + buttons) + vari-angle LCD (+better EVF?)
* video (4k60p)
* connectivity (might not be a big deal for some but it will allow shooting completely from your phone)

The resolution bump is IMHO not that significant and I don't think there will be any other major sensor improvement (DR, readout, etc.) .



Oct 18, 2021 at 01:12 PM
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p.6 #4 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


The A7IV will have some advantages over the A7RIV

1. Better video. This is a given.
2. Better card setup. Not known for sure, but almost assuredly it will have the same dual-format setup seen on the A1 and A7SIII, which means both faster writes and a less IO bound interface
3. Flip/twist LCD (and if you think it's useless for photos, try doing a low-angle portrait orientation shot with a single-tilt LCD camera...I prefer dual-tilt for stills but flip/twist is useful)
4. New menu system. It'll have the new menu system form the A1/A7SIII which is a big improvement.
5. Better connectivity. The tag leak indicates FTP capability and USB streaming and 5GHz Wifi.
6. Lossless compressed RAW files. Again something that comes from the Bionz XR platform and can be a big win in terms of card space. This isn't guaranteed, but is almost assuredly happening.

Now there's also going to be good arguments in favour of the A7RIV at the current pricing.



Oct 18, 2021 at 01:16 PM
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p.6 #5 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


j4nu wrote:
For me, the notable upgrades will be:
* AF + bird eyeAF
* responsiveness (new processor)
* ergonomics (slightly bigger body + buttons) + vari-angle LCD (+better EVF?)
* video (4k60p)
* connectivity (might not be a big deal for some but it will allow shooting completely from your phone)

The resolution bump is IMHO not that significant and I don't think there will be any other major sensor improvement (DR, readout, etc.) .


Apparently gets the A7sIII body and heatsink. Alas 4k60 is only in super35 mode.

Also worrying that fps is still a lowly 10fps and is that with AF and AE? Sensor scan rate will be no faster than R6 so only about 1/50s or so. So ES pretty unusable for action.



Oct 18, 2021 at 05:39 PM
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p.6 #6 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


keepcoding wrote:
Personally I don't really see the appeal of this new A7IV (at least for photos). It is a nice evolution from the A7III but nothing ground breaking. If it comes in at ~2.5k, then I would rather get the A7RIV when it is on sale.


the UI is a huge improvement

much more snappy and buggy

a7iii firmware cant do hold and scroll, which is huge. its also laggy in comparison



Oct 18, 2021 at 05:53 PM
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p.6 #7 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


mawz wrote:
The A7IV will have some advantages over the A7RIV

1. Better video. This is a given.
2. Better card setup. Not known for sure, but almost assuredly it will have the same dual-format setup seen on the A1 and A7SIII, which means both faster writes and a less IO bound interface
3. Flip/twist LCD (and if you think it's useless for photos, try doing a low-angle portrait orientation shot with a single-tilt LCD camera...I prefer dual-tilt for stills but flip/twist is useful)
4. New menu system. It'll have the new menu system form the A1/A7SIII which is a big improvement.
5. Better connectivity. The tag
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In regards to number 3. The flippy screen. I recently shot astro with my A7III. In portrait mode a flippy screen would have come in pretty handy!



Oct 18, 2021 at 06:01 PM
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p.6 #8 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


Out of all the specs I've seen I haven't seen Real Time Tracking. Unless I missed something.

We shall see in 2.5 days if it's a worthy camera.



Oct 18, 2021 at 06:03 PM
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p.6 #9 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


AZHeaven wrote:
Out of all the specs I've seen I haven't seen Real Time Tracking. Unless I missed something.

We shall see in 2.5 days if it's a worthy camera.


If they have it on the a6100 it will be on the A7iv.



Oct 18, 2021 at 06:11 PM
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p.6 #10 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


AZHeaven wrote:
In regards to number 3. The flippy screen. I recently shot astro with my A7III. In portrait mode a flippy screen would have come in pretty handy!


Keep in mind if you use an L bracket it may not work as good as you think.



Oct 18, 2021 at 06:12 PM
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p.6 #11 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


nhsonyshooter wrote:
Keep in mind if you use an L bracket it may not work as good as you think.


That's how I'd be using it. Interested to see how well it works with the L-bracket.



Oct 18, 2021 at 06:23 PM
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p.6 #12 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


nhsonyshooter wrote:
Keep in mind if you use an L bracket it may not work as good as you think.


It works quite well if the L Bracket is well designed. Even a poorly designed L bracket generally works well in portrait mode, but will interfere in landscape.

I do like the Smallrig brackets because they allow you to easily remove the L plate for solo video work (with the screen flipped fully forward), and do not interfere too badly with the screen in landscape mode, and they allow adjustment of the body/bracket gap to ensure enough articulation in Portrait mode.




Oct 18, 2021 at 06:24 PM
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p.6 #13 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


cropped 4K 60..... 1999, not worth 2499


Oct 18, 2021 at 07:19 PM
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p.6 #14 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


Charlie N wrote:
cropped 4K 60..... 1999, not worth 2499


Depends if one even shoots video. I would think most don't and if they do, it's just something to record a moment so I'm sure just about anything would do. If one is serious into video, there are better options.



Oct 18, 2021 at 07:26 PM
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p.6 #15 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


mawz wrote:
It works quite well if the L Bracket is well designed. Even a poorly designed L bracket generally works well in portrait mode, but will interfere in landscape.

I do like the Smallrig brackets because they allow you to easily remove the L plate for solo video work (with the screen flipped fully forward), and do not interfere too badly with the screen in landscape mode, and they allow adjustment of the body/bracket gap to ensure enough articulation in Portrait mode.



Yeah. Exact reason I will not own a flip screen camera. I keep the L Bracket on most of the time. Last thing I want is to have to remove a portion to have the screen fully work. Which is just one reason I think flip screens suck for photography. Just my preference though. Others obviously like them for some reason. Good news is I don't really need a better camera than the A7riv or A1 so thank goodness Sony didn't screw them up



Oct 18, 2021 at 09:34 PM
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p.6 #16 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


I am considering flipping my A7RIV for this now that I don't really need its resolution. But I'm still on the fence based on the leaked specs. I don't see too much of a reason other than a bit better AF? I dislike flippy screens so that's a point against switching.


Oct 19, 2021 at 12:06 AM
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p.6 #17 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


chez wrote:
Depends if one even shoots video. I would think most don't and if they do, it's just something to record a moment so I'm sure just about anything would do. If one is serious into video, there are better options.


You'd think that on this forum, but most people do, hence every camera is a hybrid and prioritising video more and more with each iteration. Check out the new iPhone, it's primary point of difference is the 'cinematic' video.

It's hasn't taken long to go from Nikon D90 to what we have now and since video rarely gets in the way of stills, I'm really happy to have it.


Yeah, the 74 absolutely needs at least 6K video and at least 4K60p to be considered worthwhile for hybrid shooters. As a stills guy, 24mp is enough for me, but 36 ish would be best for a 2022 camera that will obviously retail for over $2K.

IMO the screen needs to be fully articulating so you can capture a still above head height or low to the ground, in portrait orientation without needing a stool, lying on the ground, using a laggy time consuming wifi to phone setup etc.
Of course it's also great for video.

Sorry stills only guys, hybrid cams are here to stay.

RE menu; I still use a 7R2 without any issues, everything I need is in the fn menu and assigned to custom buttons. The only thing I'd like to see is a second control dual on the left of the top plate like the A9/1.



Oct 19, 2021 at 12:33 AM
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p.6 #18 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless




chez wrote:
There are lightly used A7R4's on the B&S right now for around $2100...


I think they'll take another hit if the 74 is as good as it should be and priced well, which it should be.



Oct 19, 2021 at 12:40 AM
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p.6 #19 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


chez wrote:
Depends if one even shoots video. I would think most don't and if they do, it's just something to record a moment so I'm sure just about anything would do. If one is serious into video, there are better options.


not that many, certainly not in this price range.



Oct 19, 2021 at 02:09 AM
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p.6 #20 · Pre-order: Sony Alpha a7 IV Mirrorless


Bob_S wrote:
You'd think that on this forum, but most people do, hence every camera is a hybrid and prioritising video more and more with each iteration. Check out the new iPhone, it's primary point of difference is the 'cinematic' video.

It's hasn't taken long to go from Nikon D90 to what we have now and since video rarely gets in the way of stills, I'm really happy to have it.

Yeah, the 74 absolutely needs at least 6K video and at least 4K60p to be considered worthwhile for hybrid shooters. As a stills guy, 24mp is enough for me, but 36 ish would
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In the digital world, it makes sense for camera manufacturer's to include video as an option on their stills cameras. Why not? It's not like trying to add a cassette to a film camera would have been. It's a relatively easy add-in to offer a more versatile product which leads to incremental sales.

BUT in this form factor, these are all basically stills cameras. I.e. they are not the ideal form factor for video. So, IMHO on this topic, there has to be Brand guard rails, or a "prime directive", that product management needs to adhere to: accommodating video on a stills camera should not compromise the primary purpose. Go to far, and they will loose their brand proposition. That its the graveyard of marketing.

These non-"letter" 7's are said to Sony's entry level FF. So they can lean more into video, I think, vs the R, and remain true to their Prime Directive. But Sony offers the "S", which I believe IS their more video-centric 7.

If Sony is not careful, and blur the line too much, that opens the door for another brand like Nikon or Canon, or even Fuji, to appeal to photographers. Of course that has too be combined with performance and other factors ... which is starting to happen.

I just switched to Sony from Fuji. Several factors on this, but one, perhaps down the list but a real concern, is their decision to replace a solid and very useful flip screen on their X-T4 with a vloger's cheaply made floppy screen. Many Fuji customers feel this way too. They also "wasted" a useful dial for video. Fuji also has tried to position one model as a more "video" featured body. The X-TX series was NOT it.

If I was into video and vloging, personally I'd buy a camcorder form factor, that can take stills. See, it works both ways: don't compromise the camcorder's "prime directive" either.

From a marketing standpoint, I think is bigger opportunity for manufacturers for incremental sales vs overly compromising stills cameras. I think ONE has the right idea ... and it's not Fuji or Sony: Panasonic BS1H.












Oct 19, 2021 at 07:16 AM
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